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Saikrishna Budamgunta | 1 Feb 2011 02:53
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Re: ADMIN: Reaffirming this list's focus

Respected Sir(s),

As a followup to the letter written by Mahodaya Vidyasankar, I had couple of
expectations as a new member of the group and would be greatly benefited if
the learned ones consider helping novices like me.

One of the questions i have is, why cannot the list help its relatively new
members to read vedantic scriptures like Vivekachudamani or Astavakra Gita?
If there are learned and wise ones who are willing to discuss one or two
poems a day. It would immensely benefit novices like me. Some noble ones
might also consider commentary of shankara on Brahma sutras or Bhagavadgitas
for daily discussion.

I beg you to forgive me for my impertinence.

Saikrishna

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar@...> wrote:

>
> Having read this news item about Muslim populations a couple of days ago, I
> was
> wondering when it would make its way to here.
>
> It seems to me that this forum's focus is getting diluted and frittered
> away by all
> sorts of distractions nowadays - from something as elementary as food do-s
> and
> don't-s (e.g. the recent discussion of the effect of onions and garlic on
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kuntimaddi sadananda | 1 Feb 2011 04:26
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Re: ADMIN: Reaffirming this list's focus

Shree Saikrishna - PraNAms

I would like to point out with reference to your request, that this is exactly that is being done by Shree
Pranipata Chaitanyaji in the other list - advaitin group. He is currently the chief moderator of that
list. Since he is also the member of this list, he could post those in the list. He is currently doing Viveka
ChUDAmaNi and Advaita Makaranda texts. 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Saikrishna Budamgunta
<saikrishnabvs@...> wrote:

> From: Saikrishna Budamgunta <saikrishnabvs@...>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] ADMIN: Reaffirming this list's focus
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l@...>
> Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 8:53 PM
> Respected Sir(s),
> 
> As a followup to the letter written by Mahodaya
> Vidyasankar, I had couple of
> expectations as a new member of the group and would be
> greatly benefited if
> the learned ones consider helping novices like me.
> 
> One of the questions i have is, why cannot the list help
> its relatively new
> members to read vedantic scriptures like Vivekachudamani or
> Astavakra Gita?
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Satish Arigela | 1 Feb 2011 06:11
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Re: ADMIN: Reaffirming this list's focus

Namaste,

>to things as esoteric as tAntrika rituals and practice (which vary widely and 
>are
>unique to each sub-tradition) 

If discussions on purANa-s, itihAsa-s are allowed why not the discuss the 
tAntrik rituals ?

Your statement IMO does not make much sense. Or probably I did not understand 
completely what you say.

Regards
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Bishwa Prakash Subedi | 1 Feb 2011 06:20
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Dear Venkatesh,
It seems that we are being consufed religion with politics. 

From political point of view you are right that Hindus' number is dwindling down 
as compared to the others in the world. In the world where politics determines 
everything, and number is crucial in democratic politics, your concern is valid.

From dharmik perspective, I doubt, whether your concern matters. 
Gau, chandal, etc. are all equal for the enlightened and brahmin or the the 
other does not matter for you to be religious. 

Number is non only nothing for religion and the Almighty in my humble opinion 
but it is absurd and humorous to think excel one community by the other through 
multiplying like rats or rabbits lin the laboratory.

More, many memorable good dharmik persons in India from even the Hindus' 
perspective were from non-Hindu communities in the past.

My regards,

Bishwa Prakash Subedi
Kathmandu, Nepal

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:57:25 +0530
From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36@...>
Subject: [Advaita-l] World Muslim Population Doubling
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
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Bhaskar YR | 1 Feb 2011 06:22
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If discussions on purANa-s, itihAsa-s are allowed why not the discuss the 
tAntrik rituals ?

praNAms Sri Satish Arigela prabhuji
Hare Krishna

smruti-s, purANa-s and itihasa-s have been considered as  pramANa 
granTha-s in the advaita vedAnta tradition.  So discussion on those texts 
in advaita list can be permissible to the extent.  ( anyway,  discussions 
will not be entertained if it is based on bigoted interpretation of some 
vaishNava cult).  Whereas tAntrik rituals and text book on these rituals 
have not been considered as pramANa for the advaita vedAnta  discussion. 

Hope moderators of this list would educate us further on the 'grantha-s' & 
topics that can be discussed in this list.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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Satish Arigela | 1 Feb 2011 08:53
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Re: ADMIN: Reaffirming this list's focus

namaste,
 
>  Whereas tAntrik rituals and text book on these rituals have not been 
>considered as pramANa for the advaita >vedAnta  discussion. 
>

AchArya's prapa~nchasAra : Is it shruti, smR^iti or purANa?
In shankara's(what is our list? :-)) lalitA trishatI bhAShya we have a quote 
from the bhuvaneshvarI kalpa which apparaently does not belong to the category 
of shruti smriti purana

>smruti-s, purANa-s and itihasa-s have been considered as  pramANa granTha-s in 
>the advaita vedAnta >tradition.

 
The purANa-s have lots of material lifted from the tantra-s sometimes without 
even a change in the shlokas.

Furthermore, you are aware that the nirNaya sindhu which you probably know is a 
comprehensive work on dharma shAstra quotes freely from the tantra-s like 
rudrayAmala and other ancient tAntrika works along various smriti-s & purANa-s?

Or why not think about the statement in the devI bhAgavata where it clearly says 
that some tantra-s can be adopted?
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Venkatesh Murthy | 1 Feb 2011 11:16
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We use Nyasa and Mudras from Tantras.  Saundaryalahari is the best
stotra ever written. It contains many Tantric ideas.  Smarta Tradition
contains many Tantric practices. Tantra should be discussed here. It
is not correct if you avoid it. We can be careful to discuss
Vamachara. One more source is Agamas. Aa No Bhadra Kratavo Yantu
Vishvataha.

-- 
Regards

-Venkatesh

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr@...> wrote:
> If discussions on purANa-s, itihAsa-s are allowed why not the discuss the
> tAntrik rituals ?
>
> praNAms Sri Satish Arigela prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> smruti-s, purANa-s and itihasa-s have been considered as  pramANa
> granTha-s in the advaita vedAnta tradition.  So discussion on those texts
> in advaita list can be permissible to the extent.  ( anyway,  discussions
> will not be entertained if it is based on bigoted interpretation of some
> vaishNava cult).  Whereas tAntrik rituals and text book on these rituals
> have not been considered as pramANa for the advaita vedAnta  discussion.
>
> Hope moderators of this list would educate us further on the 'grantha-s' &
> topics that can be discussed in this list.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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Ramamurthy Venkateswaran | 1 Feb 2011 18:02
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Ramana Maharishi and Sanyasa


Pranams

Some time ago there was a thread regarding sanyasa and exceptions from the rule.  The recent issue of Tamil
magazine Sakthi Vikatan dated 8.2.11, carries an article on Shri Ramana Maharishi by Shri Balakumaran
(pp.42-45).  In p.45, it has been mentioned that when a Pandit from Sringeri enquired Ramana Maharishi as
to why he should not take up sanyas as he (Ramana Maharishi) is otherwise eligible.  After this discussion,
the Pandit went down the hill and would come back after lunch and at that time would await for the decision of
Ramana Maharishi.  In the meanwhile, an elderly person carrying a bundle of books, left the bundle in the
place where Maharishi was staying to wash up and return after taking food, etc.  Maharishi opened the
bundle and at the top of the bundle was a book Arunachala
  Mahatmiyam (in Sanskrit). In Tamil Arunachala Puranam is available, but finding a Sanskrit book, Ramana
Maharishi read the first sloka, in which the Lord himself has written about the promi
 nence of Arunachala Kshetra.  Within three stone (20 miles) distance from Arunachala Kshetram, I (Lord)
will release anyone from all bondage without sanyas.  

When the Pandit from Sringeri returned, Maharishi showed the Sanskrit sloka, and the Pandit felt ashamed
of his poser, mentioned about this to his Guru, Shri Nrsimha Bharathi, who had admonished the Pandit for
his action.

I thought that this might help our contributors about this aspect of reaching the final destination
without sanyas.

With profound regards,

Sincerely,

R. VENKATESWARAN
A-706, C-DOT Apartments
Sector 56, Gurgaon 122011
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prabha | 1 Feb 2011 23:08
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Well said. Thank you,

Prabha

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar@...> wrote:

>
> Having read this news item about Muslim populations a couple of days ago, I
> was
> wondering when it would make its way to here.
>
> It seems to me that this forum's focus is getting diluted and frittered
> away by all
> sorts of distractions nowadays - from something as elementary as food do-s
> and
> don't-s (e.g. the recent discussion of the effect of onions and garlic on
> one's libido)
> to things as esoteric as tAntrika rituals and practice (which vary widely
> and are
> unique to each sub-tradition) or as political and controversial as world
> Muslim
> populations. Discussions like these always seem to generate much interest,
> to the
> detriment of issues that should be more pertinent to this forum.
>
> I have a request to list members - can we all resolve to focus on advaita
> vedAnta
> on this forum? No doubt some or all these other topics are interesting, and
> there
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Satish Arigela | 2 Feb 2011 10:45
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Fw: ADMIN: Reaffirming this list's focus

shri Vidyasankar sent me this email. I believe this is meant for the list. Since 
the contents are not anything personal I am taking the liberty of forwarding 
this to the group. Please see below to understand what precisely shrI 
Vidyasankar means to criticise/reaffirm.

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar@...>
To: satisharigela@...
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 8:14:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Advaita-l] ADMIN: Reaffirming this list's focus

> 
> Your statement IMO does not make much sense. Or probably I did not understand 
> completely what you say.
> 

Let me explicate a bit. Here is a statistical break-up of the discussions on 
this list in
Jan 2011, for subjects which attracted more than three posts. Out of a total of 
149
posts, we have
 
a. 41 - Food related threads
b. 24 - Tantrik acts
c. 12 - Discussion on donating to Veda Pathashalas
d. 7 - World Muslim Population
e. 6 - Discussion on Nirukta
f. 6 - Text based discussion of ISvara and jIva
f. 6 - Discussion on list's focus
g. 5 - Discussion on the word krishnasakhA
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