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Sunil Bhattacharjya | 1 Oct 2009 02:06
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Re: wilhelm halbfass

It is from his talk in the WAVES conference (2008), held in Florida.
 
Sunil

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From: Michael Shepherd <michael@...>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] wilhelm halbfass
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l@...ta.org>
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:25 AM

The 14h World Conference on Sanskrit Studies was held in Kyoto recently,
closing September 5. I haven't had a chance yet to question the one pundit I
know who attended.. Any reports about it from those here ?

Michael

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Namaste,
 
You mentioned about scholars like Francis Clooney, who are dissociating
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Bhaskar YR | 1 Oct 2009 05:48
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Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

If Kshathriyas, Vaisyas and Sudhras abandon their karmas then the world 
will
collapse.  So they are not qualified for sanyaasa aashrama. 

In essense only Brahmins are qualified to enter sanyaasa aashrama.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

Yes, shankara says in his bhAshya that only brahmaNa-s have the adhikAra 
to take saNyAsa, but he never ever denied jeevan mukti or samyakdarshitva 
to other capable varNAshrami-s.  If we say ONLY inhabitants of 
saNyAsAshrama are jeevan mukta-s, then we are denying this status to other 
varNAshrami-s which results in a declaration that 'jeevanmuktAvastha is 
the sole property of brahAmis who took saNyAsa'..this is quite absurd. 
Anyway, as a side note, surEshwarAchArya, elsewhere grants permission to 
kshatriya & vyshya also to take saNyAsa.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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Bhaskar YR | 1 Oct 2009 06:48
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Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

praNAms Sri Karthik prabhuji
Hare Krishna

Even Sankara allows for the possibility that Janaka was not a jIvanmukta 
in his commentary on Gita 3.20:

"atha aprAptasamyagdarshanAH janakAdayaH tadA karmaNA 
sattvashuddhisAdhanabhUtena krameNa saMsiddhimAsthitA iti"

"If it be held that Janaka (and others) did not attain to GYAna, then it 
can be said that they achieved purification of the mind (sattva-shuddhi) 
which gradually led to liberation." Note that Sankara permits for the lack 
of saMyag-GYAna by Janaka.

> Anyway, it is not a categorical declaration by shankara that Janaka was 
not a jnAni, as you know, it is his second option after accepting that 
janakAdi-s were jnAni-s but continuing their action because of past 
momentum.  So this is not going to help those who favour saNyAsAshrama for 
the mukti.  But what about arjuna??  shankara himself says in geeta 
bhAshya that arjuna has become a samyagdarshi & got samyagjnAna after 
geetOpadesha.  Ofcourse, we all know he is not a saNyAsi.  'dhruva' again 
a kshtriya and 'prahlAda' a dAnava by birth both are parama jnAni-s say 
our purANa & itihAsa.  Kindly dont think I am arguing this issue with 
you..Just I think it is totally unwarranted to link jnAna & jeevanmukti 
ONLY to sanyAsAshrama when we have somany examples against this 
contention.

Sankara and Sureshvara repeatedly say that one achieves GYAna only from 
the shruti.
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Vishy | 1 Oct 2009 07:19
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Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

Dear Anbuji
 
As long as you breath  you need this Mind (buddhi) just as any other organ...
 
Take it just as  memory unit of a PC, as long as its not infected  by the virus called Ego its harmless ,
rather useful too. But the Problem is because of this ego virus it corrupts entire system and starts
beliving that it by itself is the whole system and it is the driving it. Nevertheless the system cant run
wthout memory, isnt it???
 
Vishy

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From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2@...>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l@...ta.org>
Date: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009, 7:57 PM

Michaelji,

Why would you want a cleaned and washed buddhi?  What use is it to you?
What would you be without a buddhi (cleaned and washed OR otherwise)?

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> Anbuji
>
> Sounds fine by me !
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Vishy | 1 Oct 2009 07:27
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Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

Dear Shyamji
 
here, what do you mean by 'Sanyasa' ?  Hope you too agree its certainly not just taking diksha from some guru
and retiring in to some place away from all  wearing kavi
At whatever age wherever one live  , if one can live without any sort of attachemnt /desire to anything or
anyone, despite living in market place one can be in sanyas
 
Pranams
Vishy
 
 
 

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From: Shyam <shyam_md@...>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l@...ta.org>
Date: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009, 8:14 PM

Dear Sivam-ji
Pranams.

You write:
My humble interlude with Shyamji was to bring to his attention that
self-inquiry is not to be deferred to any particular ashrama.  
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My response:

Please note that I am not saying one must postpone vichara for jnanaprapti until one takes sannyasa -
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Ramesh Krishnamurthy | 1 Oct 2009 07:37
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Re: Indology, traditional learning and the state of affairs in India

This is a very relevant topic indeed. A few observations:

Traditional shaastraic knowledge is still reasonably well-preserved
but exists in pockets that are not well networked. For a sincere
seeker who is not already clued into the network, accessing the
knowledge base is difficult. Worse, awareness of the shaastra-s is
very low even among otherwise traditional Hindu families. Unless one
has a strong family background or is lucky to live in a place that has
a good ecosystem (such as Chennai), the practical constraints on
pursuing the shaastra-s are quite significant.

I don't think the modern university system in India is well-equipped
to handle shaastraic scholarship. The issue is not merely one of jaati
as Vidyasankar seemed to imply - the trouble is that neither the state
nor the bulk of contemporary Indian society attaches significant value
to shaastraic scholarship. Moreover, the education system in India is
heavily oriented towards "professional" disciplines (engineering,
management, medicine, etc) and even here there is relatively less
research. Leave alone shaastraic scholarship, the university system is
not even geared for scholarship in the natural or social sciences.
Even a supposedly "elite" university like JNU is essentially a
preparation ground for IAS aspirants, and the few who are genuinely
interested are often subverted by the Marxist clique.

A telling feature of the present Indian education system is the almost
complete absence of any form of traditional knowledge. For example,
the legions of doctors graduating from Indian medical colleges have
zero knowledge of Ayurveda, law graduates have zilch background in the
dharmashaastra-s (not even a single paper or seminar), etc. One would
have expected an IIT-trained metallurgist to have at least a basic
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Bhaskar YR | 1 Oct 2009 07:41
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Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

Yes-Bhaskar-ji - you are absolutely right - after all why should either a 
seeker or a knower embrace the order of sannyasa when there is a high 
probability that he might be a avatara like Lord Rama - all he needs is 
for Lord Brahma to drop by any day now and give him the necessary 
information [- perhaps even an email might suffice in today's age?] :) - I 
guess Acharyas Shankara, Sureshwara and Vidyaranya ALL overlooked this key 
point.

praNAms Sri shyam prabhuji
Hare Krishna

I request you to avoid sarcasm & look at the issue with little open 
mind...I am not only talking about avatarAra purushA-s like rAma & 
krishna..You have comfortably taken that one example & ignored the 
others...yes, for an uttama adhikAri a droplet of vedAnta vAkya would be 
more than enough to realize his svarUpa & establish himself in that truth 
amidst the cacophonies of saMsAra, he does not have to immediately rush to 
sanyAsAshrama to cement his jnAna.  ramaNa needed just a self enquiry, 
svetaketu needed upadesha nine times from his father, arjuna needed more 
than 500 hundred bhagavOpadEsha. who knows you may get the enlightenment 
if you get a direct mail from prajApati brahma about shruti vAkya :-)) so 
be rest assured..possibilities are there :-)).  So, please stop 
speculating on key points which shankara & sureshwara overlooked and try 
to understand what is available in their works.  Shankara says in sUtra 
bhAshya that even anAshrami-s like raikva, vAchaknavi etc. have got that 
Atma vidyA..anAshramitvena vartamAnOpi vidyAyAmadhikriyate, kutaH?? 
taddrushteH, raikva, vAchaknavi prabhruteenAM, evaM bhutAnAmapi 
brahmavitva shrutyupalabdheH...Please note shankara is not saying here 
these jnAni-s need to take saNyAsa to establish themselves in Atman or to 
get jeevanmukti.  And elsewhere shankara gives another example of naked
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Bhaskar YR | 1 Oct 2009 07:58
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sanyAsa in shankara vedAnta

praNAms 
Hare Krishna

The below mail has been written by me to the Advaitin group.  Since here 
also same topic is there for discussion, I am forwarding it to the 
prabhuji-s of this list.  Sri Shyam prabhuji has already replied to this 
mail, if he wish, he can post that mail  here, so that prabhuji-s of this 
list also would come to know his view points.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar

// quote //

praNAms
Hare Krishna

Sorry for the very belated mail...was bit busy coz. of pitru paksha & 
navarAtri :-))

I am happy to note that advaita stalwarts like Sri Sastri prabhuji, Sri 
Sadananda prabhuji, Sri Subbu prabhuji, Sri Sunder prabhuji have already 
expressed their opinion on the subject issue. I dont have much to say on 
this subject...But, let me make an attempt as I promised this earlier :-)) 

I've changed the subject line to present my perspective on the subject 
matter. It appears that in the on going discussion some of the 
prabhuji(s) having the notion that saNyAsa means some sort of mendicant 
life of a certain order of monks which recommends wearing ochre clothing 
(kAshAya vastra), holding danda, kamandala, tonsuring head and living on
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Sudhakar Marur | 1 Oct 2009 08:31
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New edition of Sringeri Matha website

Hi,

The new version of Sringeri Matha site, launched on Vijaya Dasami day (28
Sep) can be accessed at,

http://www.sringeri.net/

Regards,
Sudhakar
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Bhaskar YR | 1 Oct 2009 09:45
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Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

what difference does it make to a Jnani if such were to happen, and why 
should he strive to co-operate if his mind is singlepointedly focussed on 
the Atman - the Lord Himself will ensure his sustenance "- atah Bhagwaan 
EVA teshaam yogakshemam vahatiti"

praNAms Sri Shyam prabhuji
Hare Krishna

This is exactly my point prabhuji...why one should bother & obligate 
himself  to 'become' a saNyAsi when his mind abadoning all desires and 
focussing singlepointedly on Atman??  bhagavAn himself would take care of 
everything is it not??  The jnAni does not have to put any effort of his 
own to shift his place from gruhasthAshrama to saNyAsAshrama 'to sustain' 
his accrued jnAna & get that so called mukti :-)) ...For him changing 
gears sorry, changing ashrams hardly matters as he sees action in inaction 
and inaction in action in that socalled day to day transactions.  He 
mentally renounces everything and there would be nothing in his possession 
to make the 'modifications' to the status & scenario.  He transcends the 
very katrutva bhAva itself and his mind absolutely unattached to 
everything even he is outwardly doing all sorts of karma.  sarvakarmANi 
manasA saNyAsaste sukhaM vashee, navadvAre pure dehi naiva kurvasya kAraya 
says geetAchArya in 5-13...

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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