Jaldhar H. Vyas | 2 Jul 01:16 2008

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latha vidyaranya | 2 Jul 07:27 2008
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Re: nitya karma and job

hari om
namaste
 
in my humble opinion, the nitya karmas are the obligatory duties to be done on a daily basis, like, the
sandhya and nitya pooja. naimittika karmas are the obligatory duties done on special occasions, like, on
the day of eclipse, the annual ceremony of the pitris (shraadhdha) etc. these two kinds of karmas are
ordained by the vedas in order to pay back the debts (obligations or rinas) of deva, pitri and rishis.
they also help to cleanse the mind (chittha shuddhi)  and thus prepare the antahkarana to realize the brahman.
 
whereas the occupational duties (our daily jobs) are not vaidhika karmas and hence do not fall under either
nitya or naimittika karmas. they are vyavahaaric karmas to fulfill the social obligations. having born
as a human being and for taking the help of the society to grow up and make a living, we are all obligated to pay
back this debt to the society. i think this is a bhootha rina that is to be fulfilled.
 
namaste

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Subject: [Advaita-l] nitya karma and job
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Date: Thursday, 5 June, 2008, 10:49 AM

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RAMESH RAMANAN | 2 Jul 07:50 2008
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Re: nitya karma and job

Dear Lathaji Pranams,
  Thanks very much for the clear demarcation of the types of debts that man has to pay. I enjoy reading your
learned posts and hope you will continue to enlighten us. I am a very insignificant contributor so far, but
am trying to make for lost time, but am tied down due to my pressing official engagements. Pranams once
again, Ramesh

latha vidyaranya <lathavidya@...> wrote:
  hari om
namaste

in my humble opinion, the nitya karmas are the obligatory duties to be done on a daily basis, like, the
sandhya and nitya pooja. naimittika karmas are the obligatory duties done on special occasions, like, on
the day of eclipse, the annual ceremony of the pitris (shraadhdha) etc. these two kinds of karmas are
ordained by the vedas in order to pay back the debts (obligations or rinas) of deva, pitri and rishis. they
also help to cleanse the mind (chittha shuddhi)  and thus prepare the antahkarana to realize the brahman.

whereas the occupational duties (our daily jobs) are not vaidhika karmas and hence do not fall under either
nitya or naimittika karmas. they are vyavahaaric karmas to fulfill the social obligations. having born
as a human being and for taking the help of the society to grow up and make a living, we are all obligated to pay
back this debt to the society. i think this is a bhootha rina that is to be fulfilled.

namaste

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From: Jaldhar H. Vyas 
Subject: [Advaita-l] nitya karma and job
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" 
Date: Thursday, 5 June, 2008, 10:49 AM

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Bhaskar YR | 2 Jul 12:32 2008
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Re: nitya karma and job


whereas the occupational duties (our daily jobs) are not vaidhika karmas
and hence do not fall under either nitya or naimittika karmas. they are
vyavahaaric karmas to fulfill the social obligations.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

Interestingly,  these social obligations or vyAvahArik karma-s are closely
linked with one's own *svadharma* & seems to be obligatory!!..Though these
karma-s cannot be strictly categorized as either nitya or naimittika
karma-s, some smruti texts insisted the strict adherence to karma-s that is
based on svadharma...For example, in gIta bhagavan forced arjuna to follow
his svadharma i.e. fighting the battle...Being a kshatriya, arjuna had to
fight the battle of kurukshEtra and krishna asked him to do the
same..Likewise, being a brAhmaNa, one has to regularly perform hOma,
havana, yAga-s etc., spread the message of scripture (dharma prachAra) etc
because it is his svadharma..and being born as vaishya, one has to do
vyavahAra (business) since it is his svadharma....I think, these are all as
sri Jaldhar prabhuji pointed out comes under nitya/namittika karma category
only...So, these social obligations are part & parcel of one's own
svadharma if it is done with an aim of protecting the same. (svadharma
saMrakshaNArthaM).

Comments & clarifications are welcome.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
latha vidyaranya | 2 Jul 15:27 2008
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Re: nitya karma and job

hari om
namaste
 
that was an interesting explanation of sri bhaskarji about the swadharmaas that may fall under the nitya
and naimittika karmas.
 
but i was talking about the current day jobs that we all do outside our homes to earn a living. the
varnaashrama swadharmas are not very strictly followed. brahmins are also into trading and business
and vysyas are also into teaching in various educational institutions and there are hardly any wars to be
waged by a kshatriya (and the political scene is open to all irrespective of caste, creed or sex) and there
is no particular demarcation of jobs to shudraas as they are also well educated now and are into all fields.
in this scenario of modern day india / abroad, our earning the bread-butter-jam becomes more of a social
obligation to take care of our families and communities and the larger interest of the nation. thus they
may not fall under the nitya or naimittika, but surely are bound by the ethical frame of our dharma. 
 
namaste

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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] nitya karma and job
To: lathavidya <at> yahoo.co.in, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l <at> lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Wednesday, 2 July, 2008, 4:02 PM

whereas the occupational duties (our daily jobs) are not vaidhika karmas and hence do not fall under either
nitya or naimittika karmas. they are vyavahaaric karmas to fulfill the social obligations. 

praNAms
Hare Krishna

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Suresh | 2 Jul 14:27 2008
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Re: Meditation (dhyAna), knowledge (jnAna) etc. in Sankara's advaita

Friends,

I see a very good conversation going on, and I don't want to butt in.

However, I feel compelled to ask for some advice reg. the type of meditation I've been doing lately, because
I don't know where else to turn. Brahman Satya, Jagat Mithya...this is the basis of my meditation. What I do
is, I try to see the falsity (mithyatva) of all that comes into my mind (which indirectly makes the seer
alone true, satya). 

Results vary on each occasion, when I do this. Sometimes, I am bored and abandon practice. Sometimes, I
experience hypnagogic images, and once I experienced sleep paralysis. Last week, I experienced lucid
dreaming. But since then, there has been no experience at all. This, in short, has been my experience in meditation.

Any ideas/insights on all this?

Regards,
Suresh

Muralidhar Maddala | 2 Jul 19:43 2008
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Re: Meditation (dhyAna), knowledge (jnAna) etc. in Sankara's advaita

Hi Suresh,

Thanks for sharing this ! I have gone thru an exact similar phase weeks ago.
I have finally decided ignore these experiences. It occurs to me that these
experiences don't matter at all as long as I don't live with this truth. So
I still meditate on the same principle as you are doing without becoming the
experience but remain as a witness to these effects (I try).

I request the evolved souls to please advise on this...

yours
Murali

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Suresh <mayavaadi@...> wrote:

> Friends,
>
> I see a very good conversation going on, and I don't want to butt in.
>
> However, I feel compelled to ask for some advice reg. the type of
> meditation I've been doing lately, because I don't know where else to turn.
> Brahman Satya, Jagat Mithya...this is the basis of my meditation. What I do
> is, I try to see the falsity (mithyatva) of all that comes into my mind
> (which indirectly makes the seer alone true, satya).
>
> Results vary on each occasion, when I do this. Sometimes, I am bored and
> abandon practice. Sometimes, I experience hypnagogic images, and once I
> experienced sleep paralysis. Last week, I experienced lucid dreaming. But
> since then, there has been no experience at all. This, in short, has been my
> experience in meditation.
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Bhaskar YR | 3 Jul 06:30 2008
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Re: Meditation (dhyAna), knowledge (jnAna) etc. in Sankara's advaita


However, I feel compelled to ask for some advice reg. the type of
meditation I've been doing lately, because I don't know where else to turn.
Brahman Satya, Jagat Mithya...this is the basis of my meditation. What I do
is, I try to see the falsity (mithyatva) of all that comes into my mind
(which indirectly makes the seer alone true, satya).

praNAms
Hare Krishna

I am not a meditation analyst to pass the judgement on your experiences in
meditation...However, if you could permit me I'd like to say  first of all
brahma jnAna what has been taught in advaita vedanta is not an *object* of
meditation...brahma jnAna cannot be a *vishaya* to do meditation like I am
the brahman,  the only satya & rest of the things (world)  are
mithya...Nevertheless, our scriptures recommend various types of
upAsana-s/dhyAna-s like saguNa, sAkAra dhyAna, nirguNa nirAkAra dhyAna,
meditation on OmkAra etc. These type of meditation would prepare oneself to
receive jnAna which has to happen through  the direct means i.e.  vastu
tantra shravaNa, manana nidhidhyAsana.

Prabhuji, you can ignore this mail if it further complicates your spiritual
path.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
Shrinivas Gadkari | 3 Jul 09:27 2008
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Meditation (dhyAna), knowledge (jnAna) etc. in Sankara's advaita

Namaste,
Thanks for sharing your experiences with meditation. 
I am no expert on this topic. However, here are some thoughts 
that might be useful in general:
1. Whether we like it or not there exists a chakra system in
our body.
2. A normal person (without too much or with no sAdhanA) 
typically operates from the level of mulAdhAra and svAdhisThAna
chakra-s.
3. Make not mistake about this: Retaining the ability to
operate from the level of these two chakra-s is VERY important
for smooth functioning of our vyAvahArika life.
4. When we venture into sAdhanA (without guru), we start exploring
the realm of operation from higher chakra-s. In this process we
tend to WEAKEN our connection with the lower chakra-s.
If we operate in our vyavahArika life from the level of
higher chakra-s some amount of chaos/ failures are bound
to happen
5. Hence the necessity of guru and guru bhakti.
This is not to discourage meditation. Just be careful and if possible
keep bhakti ongoing.
Regards,
Shrinivas
[Advaita-l] Meditation (dhyAna), knowledge (jnAna) etc. in Sankara's advaita
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Friends,
I see a very good conversation going on, and I don't want to butt in.
However, I feel compelled to ask for some advice reg. the type of meditation I've been doing lately, because
I don't know where else to turn. Brahman Satya, Jagat Mithya...this is the basis of my meditation. What I do
is, I try to see the falsity (mithyatva) of all that comes into my mind (which indirectly makes the seer
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latha vidyaranya | 3 Jul 16:46 2008
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Re: varNAsharama system at the time of shankara

hari om
namaste
 
people generally seem to nurse a notion that the vedaadhikaaris have their path to realization paved
smooth than the shudraas and stree-s, who have to take a circuitous path through the smruthis and
puraanaas and there seems to be less hope for them to reach the ultimate destination, until they take
many more janmaas................
 
why smruthis and puraanaas, even a simple shloka like the "nirvaana shatka" of bhagavadpaada sri shankara
("mano budhyahankaara chithaadi naaham............"), when deeply meditated over its meaning, has
the capacity to cleanse ones antahkarana and the Truth can shine there.
 
namaste

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From: Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr <at> in.abb.com>
Subject: [Advaita-l] varNAsharama system at the time of shankara
To: advaita-l <at> lists.advaita-vedanta.org
Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 11:21 AM

praNAms
Hare Krishna

When searching for Sri VidyA prabhuji's quote on AnimAdi siddhi-s (subtle
powers) of yOgi-s, I found that it appears in the shankara's commentary on
dEvatAdhikaraNa  of vEdAnta sUtra (1-3-26 to 1-3-33) wherein discussion was
about whether dEvata-s have eligibility to attain brahmajnAna or
not....While reading through bhAshya on 1-3-33, I've observed one important
assertion of shankara that is about system of varNAshrama dharma existing
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