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Network | 2 Jan 2005 19:59

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Stuart Levine | 3 Jan 2005 19:41

Are Listserves Past Their Prime?


Posting on this listserve has been light. I came across a blog written 
by an English professor at Lehigh University who is (I believe) a 
citizen of India. Oddly, his comments may explain why posting on 
this list has been light.  Please read them here:

http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2004/11/spoons-collective-shutting-
down-group.html

or here:

http://tinyurl.com/5za3d

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Baltimore, Maryland 21201
Telephone:             410.385.2000
Telecopier:              443.927.7075
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George Socha | 3 Jan 2005 21:41

RE: Are Listserves Past Their Prime?


For what it is worth, one of the listservs to which I subscribe, The
Litigation Support Mailing List at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/litsupport,
seems to be quite active with 3,540 members and monthly message counts in
2004 that ranged from 242 on the low end to 440 on the high end.  Another
listserv which I monitor, Computer Forensics Tool Testing at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cftt/, also has a moderate but useful amount
of traffic:  731 members, 4 new within the last 7 days, and 2004 monthly
message counts between 5 and 86.

George J. Socha Jr., Esq.
Socha Consulting LLC

Informing digital discovery decisions

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St. Paul MN 55105
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From: Stuart Levine [mailto:sltax@...] 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:42 PM
To: network-lawyers@...
Subject: [NetLawyers] Are Listserves Past Their Prime?

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Steve Yost | 3 Jan 2005 22:52

Re: Are Listserves Past Their Prime?

This is just a half-baked assessment, but I think listservs will be 
around for awhile, as long as spam doesn't ruin email entirely (and 
there's gotta be a sender-ID solution worked out that will help with that).

Blogs and RSS have a bit of scalability problem (not that it's 
insurmountable) in that they're based on polling each RSS source 
regularly, whereas listservs have nice efficient source-to-subscriber 
direct delivery. RSS aggregators can ameliorate that problem some.

But blogs and listservs each have their place. As does a sort of hybrid 
like QuickTopic (which now supports RSS, by the way).

Best,
Steve Yost
QuickTopic
http://www.quicktopic.com

George Socha wrote:
> For what it is worth, one of the listservs to which I subscribe, The
> Litigation Support Mailing List at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/litsupport,
> seems to be quite active with 3,540 members and monthly message counts in
> 2004 that ranged from 242 on the low end to 440 on the high end.  Another
> listserv which I monitor, Computer Forensics Tool Testing at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cftt/, also has a moderate but useful amount
> of traffic:  731 members, 4 new within the last 7 days, and 2004 monthly
> message counts between 5 and 86.
> 
> George J. Socha Jr., Esq.
> Socha Consulting LLC

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Kevin O'Keefe - LexBlog | 3 Jan 2005 21:52

Re: Are Listserves Past Their Prime?


Probably does depend on the members. The mac lawyer listserv must have in
excess of 1,000 members and does 25 to 40 posts a day covering all aspects
of law and technology issues.

But I do agree, the number of active listservs is down. Blogs with the
exchange of info between people via RSS is probably to going to add to the
demise of lists.

- Kevin
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> From: "Stuart Levine" <sltax@...>
> Reply-To: Network-Lawyers@...
> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:41:31 -0500
> To: network-lawyers@...
> Subject: [NetLawyers] Are Listserves Past Their Prime?
> 
> 
> Posting on this listserve has been light. I came across a blog written
> by an English professor at Lehigh University who is (I believe) a
> citizen of India. Oddly, his comments may explain why posting on

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Robert Ambrogi | 5 Jan 2005 22:41

RE: Are Listserves Past Their Prime?


Stuart et al.,

To the contrary, I've watched some lists thrive and grow over the past year.
I believe that lists go through natural life cycles -- some die out while
others take their place. The reason for this ties directly to their
usefulness and relevance. 

Want a listserv that will overwhelm your inbox? Try Solosez, where there can
easily be hundreds of messages in a day. A Mass. lawyers list to which I
subscribe has grown from a trickle of posts a year ago to a couple dozen
some days. Two legal marketing lists I follow both seem to have grown in
popularity. I also track several journalism and media lists that are quite
active. 

The lists that are active and growing serve immediate and practical needs,
answering all those pesky law practice questions about "How do I ... " and
"Where do I find ... " They are lifelines to solo lawyers and lone marketing
professionals. 

NetLawyers was precisely such a list when it started way back when. It was,
in fact, the most active lawyer list at one point. To my thinking, it still
should be a vital resource for any lawyer who uses the Internet (which means
any lawyer). Perhaps the problem is an abundance of more-specialized lists,
detracting from this more general one.

-- Bob Ambrogi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Levine [mailto:sltax@...]

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Sabrina I. Pacifici | 6 Jan 2005 12:08

New on LLRX.com


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Stuart Levine | 7 Jan 2005 00:41

VOIP


Does anyone on this list use VOIP either for home or, more 
importantly, for the office.  The bells and whistles look great, but I 
am concerned about sound quality.  Is the sound quality sufficient 
for business use?
********************************************
Stuart Levine
Fisher & Winner, LLP
315 North Charles Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21201
Telephone:             410.385.2000
Telecopier:              443.927.7075
Cellphone:               410.802.5817
Weblog:  http://taxbiz.blogspot.com
http://www.taxation-business.com
sltax@...
*********************************************

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Glenn K. Garnes | 7 Jan 2005 00:46

RE: VOIP


I use Vonage for both, because my office is home based.  Of course I'm
not practicing law anymore, but I love the service.  It's been
excellent.  I reduced my bill from $118/mo. for two unlimited
residential telephone lines to $38.00.  Can't beat that.

I also like being able to receive the voice files from voice mail
messages sent to my email address automatically.  I am on the phone all
day long in my other home business and I have never once had anyone
complain about the quality. I personally think it's indistinguishable
from POTS lines.  I've been using it for almost a year now and I love
it.

Warmest regards,
 
 
Glenn K. Garnes
(301) 776-1490 Phone
(202) 318-0341  Fax
http://www.greetingcardwiz.com
(Take care of your customers or someone else will!)
 
 

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From: Stuart Levine [mailto:sltax@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:42 PM
To: network-lawyers@...
Subject: [NetLawyers] VOIP

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Jeff M. Fischbach, ABFE | 7 Jan 2005 01:10

Re: VOIP


Anything using Level3's backbone is pretty good (which includes Vonage). 
In fact, the sound quality is great. Of course, for business, you might 
want something a little more robust. I recently ordered a service called 
GlobalTone <http://www.gphone.com/service/globaltone/index.asp> which 
combines VOIP with a hosted PBX, which theoretically equals no 
headaches. Perhaps more precisely, the headache and cost shifts to the 
provider. The price is comparable to Vonage and others ($20-30 flat per 
extension)

The nifty thing about this is that if you throw your SIP-compatible 
handset (available from many competing companies) or PC/PocketPC 
softphone in your atache, your extension will ring wherever you have a 
broadband connection, including another country. Now there's also SIP 
phones that work with WIFI as well, so you can be "in the office" while 
you're enjoying an expensive cup of coffee.

Mind you, this is no panacea. First, if you want to be able to call for 
help during a power outage, you'd better keep at least one POTS (Plain 
Old Telephone Service) line. And, of course, if your broadband goes out, 
you're screwed. However, most of these services can be set to auto 
forward to your cellphone or any other phone at no cost within your home 
country. I would recommend at least giving it a try, but I wouldn't 
"port" your phone number over until your very comfortable. If you really 
want to dive in with both feet, I'd just try forwarding your number 
until your comfortable. Either way, you may as well get used to it. 
Because of the price advantages of packetized data service, it's likely 
to be your only choice in the future.

Jeff Michael Fischbach, ABFE

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