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John DeBruyn | 5 Aug 2003 15:32

EU <-> USA <-> world-wide Collaboration

Hi all,

Rainer Langenhan of Germany, European Union, proprietor of the Handake
WebLAWg and active participant here in the Network-Lawyers discussion group
just brought to my attention the strong showing that Polish language weblogs
are making relative to the other languages spoken in Europe:

http://www.blogcensus.net/?page=lang

He and I will be working on behalf of our Network-Lawyers group a view to
establishing a collaboration with law and law related weblogs and web sites
as well as lawyers and law firms in Poland.  This is part of a general
effort that Rainer is assisting with to encourage the participation in
Network-Lawyers discussion group of individuals from the European Union:

http://jurawiki.com/NetworkLawyers

As it stands now the online legal communities are divided by the language
differences so that the lawyers, law firms and legal institutions are
naturally grouping themselves by country or group of countries that speak a
common lanaguage. See the current lead articles on the netLs weblog about
bridging the language barier with multi-lingual accomodation:

http://netls.blogspot.com

If any of the participants here in Network-Lawyers read and/or speak Polish
we could use your assistance in composing some messages in Polish for web
pages and email contract with lawyers and other legal professionals in
Poland or, perhaps, you know of someone who be willing to be of assistance
in this regard.
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Dave | 5 Aug 2003 18:43
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I appreciate everyone's advice - All of the links I've been directed 
to have been very helpful. I'm definitely going to start off solo, 
and I'm trying to work out a budget. To answer Glenn's question, I'm 
only going to be starting a small(and economically disadvantaged)-
town general practice - wills, real estate, whatever walks in the 
door, as well as putting myself on the local criminal and family 
assigned counsel lists. Down the road, if all goes well, I may hire a 
secretary, clerk or paralegal, but that's not an option now.

What I'd like to do is get some opinions on a few area, some of which 
we've discussed before, inclusing Apple vs. Windows, Lexis vs. 
Westlaw, a fax machine vs. e-fax, etc... I'm also interested in 
learning what other web sites are useful for research. In addition, 
I'd like to hear what software attorneys here find useful or 
necessary, from standard word-processing programs on up.

It's definitely going to be a low-rent operation in a low-rent area, 
but there's room for a few techological goodies.

Thanks again for all of the good advice.

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> Dave,
> 
> That's a loaded question around here for the following reason.  
It's almost 
> impossible to make a meaningful recommendation to you without 
knowing more 
> about what your practice would be like if you do go solo.  Of
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sltax | 5 Aug 2003 20:32

Re: Question

Fax--Maxemail-Definitely
WordProcessing--Still WordPerfect
Get a scanner, with a paper feed, and Paper Port 9--total package can 
be picked up for about $310
Adobe Acrobat
Lexis has a good price on flat rate local service, with national available 
on an ala carte basis.  Supplement this with Versuslaw (about $10 a 
month--flat).

On 5 Aug 2003 at 16:43, Dave wrote:

> I appreciate everyone's advice - All of the links I've been directed 
> to have been very helpful. I'm definitely going to start off solo, 
> and I'm trying to work out a budget. To answer Glenn's question, I'm 
> only going to be starting a small(and economically disadvantaged)-
> town general practice - wills, real estate, whatever walks in the 
> door, as well as putting myself on the local criminal and family 
> assigned counsel lists. Down the road, if all goes well, I may hire a 
> secretary, clerk or paralegal, but that's not an option now.
> 
> What I'd like to do is get some opinions on a few area, some of which 
> we've discussed before, inclusing Apple vs. Windows, Lexis vs. 
> Westlaw, a fax machine vs. e-fax, etc... I'm also interested in 
> learning what other web sites are useful for research. In addition, 
> I'd like to hear what software attorneys here find useful or 
> necessary, from standard word-processing programs on up.
> 
> It's definitely going to be a low-rent operation in a low-rent area, 
> but there's room for a few techological goodies.
>
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Larry Bodine | 6 Aug 2003 12:18

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>>Fax--Maxemail-Definitely
WordProcessing--Still WordPerfect<<

Consider eFax for faxing; you can get a fax number with your own area
code and get all your faxes via email.

Also, I disgree on WordPerfect.  Sorry, but the clients are all using
Word.  Any firm that is still using WordPerfect is telegraphing to
clients that they are out of touch.

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sltax | 6 Aug 2003 17:44

Episcopal Bishop Issue

I did not follow closely the issue concerning the appointment of an 
openly gay bishop to the Episcopal Church (not my pew), but one part 
of it caught my eye.

It seems that the candidate had been a member of an organization the 
web site of which had allegedly linked to a pornography site.  When 
examined closely, I discovered that the web site of the organization 
did not link to a pornography site.  Rather, it linked to a site that, in 
turn, had linked to the pornography site.

As is the case with all bloggers, I link to other blogs.  Those other 
blogs, in turn, link to still other blogs and, in some cases, to specific 
websites.  Regardless on one's views of the issues confronting the 
Episcopal Church in this instance, it seemed to me to be grossly unfair 
to allege impropriety when the link was more than one click away from 
the organization's website.  Applied to bloggers such as me, I would 
be charged with assuring the bona fides of all links that my links linked 
to, a task that I cannot and will not assume.

Going further, the candidate in question was cleared of any 
impropriety when it was noted that the first  link was only added to the 
link of the organization that he was associated with after the point in 
time at which he terminated his association.  But tie that back to the 
problem I have posed.  I link to weblog X. Contrary to the position that 
I set out above (and contrary to good sense, since it's too much work), 
on Monday I thoroughly vet all of the links on Weblog X. On Tuesday, 
Weblog X adds a link (call it Link Y) that I might find to be scandalous, 
etc.  Am I charged with constantly monitoring Weblog X to make 
certain that all links that it has are "appropriate" (whatever 
"appropriate" may be deemed to mean).  And, of course, if the answer
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sltax | 6 Aug 2003 18:01

RE: Question

Maxemail also gives local numbers.  I like Maxemail over eFax for the 
following reasons (i) Maxemail allows one to choose between .tiff and 
.pdf formats for incoming faxes, (ii) Maxemail allows faxes to be sent 
to up to 5 email addresses, (iii) Maxemail posts the faxes on a secure 
website, so if I leave the fax at work, I can pick it up at home in the 
evening and for about a month thereafter, and (iv) Maxemail doubles 
as a voice mail, with voice mails sent via email in either .wav or real 
audio formats.  I am not certain, but I think that Maxemail is also 
cheaper.

As to WordPerfect v. Word, I send documents to clients in pdf format.  
I don't want them changing them.  WordPerfect is simply a richer 
program and does more and does it more easily.  I am secure enough 
in my geekiness that I don't fear that my clients will think me out of 
touch.

On 6 Aug 2003 at 3:18, Larry Bodine wrote:

> >>Fax--Maxemail-Definitely
> WordProcessing--Still WordPerfect<<
> 
> Consider eFax for faxing; you can get a fax number with your own area
> code and get all your faxes via email.
> 
> Also, I disgree on WordPerfect.  Sorry, but the clients are all using
> Word.  Any firm that is still using WordPerfect is telegraphing to
> clients that they are out of touch.
> 
> 
> Larry Bodine
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John Taylor | 6 Aug 2003 15:27
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Congratulations on finishing law school and on passing
the bar.  Regarding your question about technology,
you've started off well by becomming a member of this
group.  there is a lot of knowledge in here among its
members, and what they know is at the cutting edge. 
at the same time i would expect it will take you some
time to arrive at the point these "old dogs" are at
and would suggest the following:

1. learn as much technology as you can.  it is a
burden on your time, but it will pay off tremendously
later on.

2. word perfect, scanner with auto feeder as already
suggested, laser printer as fast as you can afford 17
ppm i would recommend; a used copier with sorter as
soon as you can afford it. 

3. try to purchase a computer that does not have
propriety design of hardware.  this will allow you to
upgrade it as you need to.  i build my own computers
and this has served me well.  but if you cannot do
this then non-propriety computer in my opinion is the
next best thing.  then learn to upgrade your puter!

4. as was told to me, you will practice what comes in
your door.  yet you won't be able to do everything
that comes in your door.  picking the good cases from
the trash will mean the difference between survival
and bankruptcy.  how do you do this?  it takes time.
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Robert Ambrogi | 6 Aug 2003 18:28
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RE: Episcopal Bishop Issue

I think you're giving this more credit than it's worth. Both charges against
Robinson were ludicrous and would never have been raised in the first place
if not for his sexual orientation. The bishops never directly confronted the
link issue, for the simple reason that the organization, Outright, did not
even create its Web site until four years after Robinson had ended any
connection to the group.

This wasn't even a direct link from the Outright site, but -- as news
reports put it -- a "downstream" link. 

How could you ever police this? Say you have a link to FindLaw. Are you then
responsible for all the sites listed in the FindLaw directory? Are you
responsible for all the other sites that those listed sites link to? No
doubt, you and I could slog through every site linked from FindLaw and find
some sites that give improper legal information. If I link to FindLaw, am I
responsible if someone follows the advice from that distant Web site? I sure
hope not.

-- Bob Ambrogi
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Nick DiPrima | 6 Aug 2003 19:12

RE: Digest Number 272

Great advise, John. 

As an individual who is not a lawyer, but has dealt with them for the
last decade both in my company now (which deals exclusively with law
firms) and my last company (which did tech consulting for law firms), I
would like to offer some additional advice.

1. Even if your PC comes with Word Perfect, get MS Word. It will make
your life easier when dealing with clients.

2. Get a backup drive and two storage tapes. Keep one tape at home and
swap them weekly... hard drives do and will crash, and it's very
expensive to send them out for data recovery.

3. Avoid typewriters, they are a waste of time when you can purchase
forms on disk or download them from your local court's website.

4. Use the Internet for research... if your local bar association
doesn't give you access to CaseMaker for free, consider subscribing to
it. It isn't as full-featured as Lexis-Nexis or West on some levels, but
it won't bankrupt you either.

5. Get a tech consultant who you can call when you need something fixed
ASAP... don't use your brother-in-law, he'll give you Mickey Mouse
solutions when real solutions are cheaper in the end.

6. Be active in the Bar Association, and not just for CLE... you'll
represent your client better if you know the opposing counsel.

7. Don't use inkjet printers. Purchase a low priced black and white
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Peter I Lippman | 6 Aug 2003 20:40

Re: Episcopal Bishop Issue

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	Good for you, Stuart.  It's a classic case of guilt by association -- COMPOUNDED by additional degrees of
remoteness that the person in the street is ill-equipped even to comprehend, much less evaluate.
	I do think the majority of the Episcopal leadership figured this out.

	                                         - p.
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  From: sltax <sltax@...>
  Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:44:38 -0400 
. . .
> It seems that the candidate had been a member of an organization the 
> web site of which had allegedly linked to a pornography site.  When 
> examined closely, I discovered that the web site of the organization 
> did not link to a pornography site.  Rather, it linked to a site that, in 
> turn, had linked to the pornography site.
. . . 
> . . . Regardless on one's views of the issues confronting the 
> Episcopal Church in this instance, it seemed to me to be grossly unfair 
> to allege impropriety when the link was more than one click away from 
> the organization's website.  Applied to bloggers such as me, I would 
> be charged with assuring the bona fides of all links that my links linked 
> to, a task that I cannot and will not assume.
> 
> Going further, the candidate in question was cleared of any 
> impropriety when it was noted that the first  link was only added to the 
> link of the organization that he was associated with after the point in 
> time at which he terminated his association. . . .

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