Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime?

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ok, here a 0day ...

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 05:52:52PM -0700, elijah wrote:
> (0) our politics are marginal and  fringe, so I have no problem with
> creating software that is marginal and fringe.

... at the risk of going a bit too fringe now ;>

plug an IM and get psyced: http://hinezumi.im

nettime might consider to get somehow psyced too,
as this thing integrates well with old tech.
try the good old: telnet hinezumi.im

depending from clients, it has encryption and off the record.
it's inter-server. it works on A phone.
yes. not the just the IPhone or BB. an older one will do as well.
 (and it works in Iran too)

what do  we need a social  network for?  to  be able to catch  up with
friends, in any possible way, from most devices at hand. sticking to a
web  browser for portability  is as  lazy as  the Titanic  captain.
so let's get ready to surf the wave ;)

BTW be welcome to join us this weekend for the TCPC#9 if you like
 http://dyne.org/tcpc 

Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime?

You cannot politically defy the institutions when all you really wanted was to be
clasped to their bosoms and hope in time to be cherished under the very framework of
oppressive values you are thinking of overcoming. That would be co-optation,
revolution only in the sense of a circulation of elites rather than the extirpation
of the very impulses of elitism.

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Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime?

This is the core issue - motivation.

Is there a motivation besides being the alternative-big-thing? All
proposals I've seen so far do center around the same paradigm already
deployed ad nauseam by Friendster, MySpace, Facebook ... they just
want to be "non-corporate", "free", "flossy" and "open" and somehow
less evil. This is like proposing open-source jail where all jailers
and guards will be certified as FSF, EFF and FFF-compliant, and
everyone can make their own jail for free. *uck that.

There is no motivation because the subject does not attract highly
talented developers, it attracts underemployed or tax-funded
wannabees. Social networking is essentially a non-interesting hype,
good for the sheeple and social sciences graduates.

Let me give you an example: during 90s there was a strong motivation
to develop good encryption tools and propagate them. This motivation
did attract very talented people, and they created things which were
not look-alikes of corporate counterparts. There were no lookalikes.
SSL. PGP. DH. Very few really knew what these things were. The authors
were not motivated by the me-too-facebook drive that will provide
recognition by the masses. There was ideology behind it, and it was
not slashdot fame or VC money. They didn't expect masses to understand
anything. Yet their stuff had profound influence on the wire as we
know it. They let the ghost out of the bottle.

The social networking development today attracts third-rate
technologists, testosterone-laden entrepreneurs and a lot of idle
unemployed. This is why it's all more of the same.

Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime?

On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:55 -0700, "Morlock Elloi"
<morlockelloi@...> wrote:
>
> Is there a motivation besides being the alternative-big-thing? All
> proposals I've seen so far do center around the same paradigm already
> deployed ad nauseam by Friendster, MySpace, Facebook ... they just
> want to be "non-corporate", "free", "flossy" and "open" and somehow
> less evil. This is like proposing open-source jail where all jailers
> and guards will be certified as FSF, EFF and FFF-compliant, and
> everyone can make their own jail for free. *uck that.
>
> (snip)
>
> The social networking development today attracts third-rate
> technologists, testosterone-laden entrepreneurs and a lot of idle
> unemployed. This is why it's all more of the same.

I largely agree, with centralised, large-server-based systems (which to
be sure the majority of the proposals are). I think you made a mistake
referring to these as web-based - most web-based systems are this way,
it's perfectly possible for web client to e.g. draw in eg feeds from
servers under the control of those whose content is being served. Web
applications do tend towards ownership and control by others, but can be
used differently, e.g. an install on a system I control, or using an
AGPL'd system which I've audited (assuming they're respecting the
license and give change information).

I agree that most of the 'social networking' services that are popular
today won't exist for much longer. Apart from the serious social

Twitter Revolution made in USA: Tweet about the police, get arrested.

What will the web2.0 visionariessay about this? My hunch: Nothing! 

But, perhaps the even sadder story is that having a picture of Marx and 
Lenin at home is taken as 'evidence'.  

Felix

New York man accused of using Twitter to direct protesters during G20 
summit

Elliott Madison arrested by FBI and charged with using social networking 
site to help demonstrators evade Pittsburgh police

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/04/man-arrested-twitter-g20-
us/print

A New York-based anarchist has been arrested by the FBI and charged with 
hindering prosecution after he allegedly used the social networking site 
Twitter to help protesters at the G20 summit in Pittsburgh evade the 
police.

Elliot Madison, 41, from Queens, had his home raided and was put on $30,000 
(£19,000) bail after he and Michael Wallschlaeger, 46, were tracked to the 
Carefree Inn motel in Pittsburgh during the summit on 24 and 25 September.

The pair were found sitting in front of a bank of laptops and emergency 
frequency radio scanners. They were wearing headphones and microphones and 
had many maps and contact numbers in the room.

Review of UBERMORGEN.COM - MEDIA HACKING VS. CONCEPTUAL ART.

Sorry for any cross posting...

Review of UBERMORGEN.COM - MEDIA HACKING VS. CONCEPTUAL ART.

By Rob Myers.

Review of the new glossy hardback publication 'UBERMORGEN.COM - MEDIA 
HACKING VS. CONCEPTUAL ART' spanning a decade of work by the dynamic 
duo  Ubermorgen.com (Hans Bernhard and lizvlx). A comprehensive and 
informative study of their conceptual media hacking adventures, 
including images, essays and interviews by Inke Arns, Florian Cramer, 
Raffael Dorig, Hans Ulrich Obrist, Peter Weibel and others. Edited by 
Alessandro Ludovico of Neural.it, designed by Bernhard Faiss.

http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=362

The word 'Ubermorgen' means both 'the day after tomorrow' and 'the 
ultimate day' in German. Bernhard was previously part of the 
controversial media art collective Etoy. Hans Bernhard and lizvlx's 
collaboration began in 1999 and although Ubermorgen share etoy's strong 
corporate aesthetics and mischievous media savvy, the book shows that 
they have progressed from Etoy's ironic self-promotion into a force that 
successfully appropriates conditions of the traditional art world - 
whilst maintaining a critical edge.

"All net artists eventually find that you can't take net art into the 
gallery untransformed any more than you can take mail art or land art 
into the gallery untransformed. It's fascinating to see (and read about) 
the solutions Ubermorgen find to the technical problems of producing and 

Re: Twitter Revolution made in USA: Tweet about the police, get arrested.

The degree of repression of civil dissent at the Pittsburgh G20 has
only one parallel that I know of: the same exact degree of abuse
at the Republican National Convention in St Paul last year. Police
forces (including huge numbers brought in from outside the city)
are coordinated with Emergency Operations Centers that can survey
everything from an integrated command-and-control post. They mandate
the use of Homeland Security techniques worthy of an Orwellian
dictatorship. The difference between St Paul and Pittsburgh is that
some new "less lethal" weapons were used this time:

http://tinyurl.com/less-lethal-than-what

Obviously the phrase is used to indicate that there are also
"more lethal" weapons. It's worth looking closely at this video
in particular, to see how a protester may be treated if s/he is
determined to be a national security threat (by whom? acting under
whose oversight? we will probably never know):

http://tinyurl.com/your-rights-in-USA

Finally, this blog post develops the same analogy with Iran as Felix
does:

http://tinyurl.com/Iran-as-the-trendsetter

I think that Gandhi-esque non-violent protest tactics will have to be
invented to gather together elements from the entire citizenry and
totally delegitimate our police state, otherwise it's curtains for
popular democracy. Sit back and enjoy your elected King for another

Regime Change in the USA?

I dunno if people are following the events in California very closely, 
but in my view, the recent faculty-staff-student walkout there is a 
presage of many things to come. It offers a foretaste of what you might 
call regime change in the USA. The September 24 walkout across the 
entire University of California system follows a large number of similar 
movements in Europe, as well as the occupation of a building at the New 
School in NYC last December. At stake in the California case is the 
accelerated erosion of what used to be the most opulent welfare state in 
the country. I wrote a blog post with lots of links and details:

http://brianholmes.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/the-u-c-strike

What's happening is a basic shift in the day-to-day operations of 
government, due to the fiscal crisis of the states. In a Wall Street 
Journal article dated September 3, the Republican governor of Indiana, 
Mitch Daniels, writes this: "State government finances are a wreck. The 
drop in tax receipts is the worst in a half century. Fewer than 10 
states ended the last fiscal year with significant reserves, and 
three-fourths have deficits exceeding 10% of their budgets. Only an 
emergency infusion of printed federal funny money is keeping most state 
boats afloat right now."

Daniels predicts a competitive downsizing of state governments to 
attract businesses fleeing comparatively high-tax states like 
California. For him it's a positive future, because like a good 
Republican corporate businessmen he has been "trimming the fat" since 
his arrival in office. What he doesn't talk about is the social 
explosion that is going to occur when the formerly "fat classes" get 
trimmed. We all know that the kinds of compensation formerly extended to 

ePublications versus PDF & on-line access for priviliged academics versus 'free learners'

Digital rights: call to all citizens to fight back

"The battle for access to information and the Internet is the mother of 
all battles, the one that will allow us to keep going autonomously and 
creatively in crisis times, regardless of what the powers that be 
"organise" for their own interest..."
/Zaphod Beeblebrox, Digital Thoughts/

*Because in times of crisis, the European Parliament is discussing how 
to take away one of the few remaining ways that allow citizens to get 
ahead -- open access to the Internet -- and to hand it over to the 
multinationals (this is not science fiction; it is happening now - 
follow the links below [1]);

Because we must be able to benefit from spreading our works without 
middlemen;

Because we are fed up with plundering by royalties management organisations;

Because artists are being used as an excuse to restrict legal rights to 
expression and development;

Because copying and sharing information is our right to culture, to 
knowledge and to communication, and they want to give it away to the 
entertainment industry  (this isn't science fiction either -- the 
American Chamber of Commerce is pressuring worldwide for changes to the 
Intellectual Property Laws to prevent the right to copy and share 
information [2]);

Because their business is not our culture;

Because it is important for artists to be able to make a living from