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Shannon Nelson | 1 Mar 2010 23:10

beyondhom Vitamin D question

 

I get these interesting email newsletters from << vitamindcouncil <at> vitamindcouncil.org>>


A recent one talks about how "pre-formed Vitamin A" (retinol as opposed to beta-carotene) neutralizes much of the benefit of Vitamin D; he refers to cod liver oil as "poison" due to its high(?) amount of vitamin A.  

Here's a part of a much longer email (ask if anyone wants me to forward the whole thing off-list):
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Let"s look at Dr. Pamela Goodwin"s study from the University of Toronto that studied breast cancer survival. This a very different study as it looked at vitamin D levels obtained after the diagnosis of breast cancer and subsequent survival in 535 Toronto women between 1989 and 1996. Vitamin D levels ranged from 3 ng/ml to 70 ng/ml. The women with the lowest levels were about twice as likely to die and to suffer distant cancer recurrence compared those with the highest levels. Ten year survival was 85% for those in the upper one-third of vitamin D levels compared to 74% in the lower one-third. However, the data suggested a U shaped curve for the women with levels above 40 ng/ml, that is, a higher risk of dying, but it was not statistically significant.an>

Goodwin PJ et al.  Prognostic effects of 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels in early breast cancer. J Clin Oncol. 2009 Aug 10;27(23):3757-63.

Again, let"s ask where women would get levels above 40 ng/ml in Toronto between 1989 and 1996? Sunshine? We know the answer is no as the authors found no season al variation in 25(OH)D levels in the 535 women, even in the women with the highest levels. So where did blood levels of 40-70 ng/ml come from in the early 1990s? Vitamin D supplements were not widely available in the early 1990s, and only contained meaningless doses when available. As sunshine was ruled out, they could only have gotten it from cod liver oil. I have emailed Dr. Pamela Goodwin, lead author, asking how hard it would be to see if cod liver oil use was asked about in the dietary questionnaire and if she could control for cod liver oil intake. She did find retinol intake was associated with higher vitamin D levels but I am particularly interested in cod liver oil intake in women with vitamin D levels above 40 ng/ml.

It's not just in breast cancer that vitamin D levels appear to have a treatment effect; it's in lung, prostate and colon cancer as well. Again, these are studies of people diagnosed with cancer to see if high vitamin D levels at the time of diagnosis are associated with improved survival.; that is, do high vitamin D levels have a treatment effect? On average, those with the highest vitamin D levels at time of diagnosis lived 2 or 3 times longer. One has to ask how high vitamin D levels are associated with greatly improved survival once you get cancer but a higher risk of getting cancer in the first place. That requires some gymnastic thinking and acrobatic basic scie nce.

Zhou W et al.  Circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels predict survival in early-stage non-small-cell lung cancer patients. J Clin Oncol. 2007 Feb 10;25(5):479-85.

Ng K et al. Clin Oncol. 2008 Jun 20;26(18):2984-91. Circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels and survival in patients with colorectal cancer. J Clin Oncol. 2008 Jun 20;26(18):2984-91.

Tretli S et al.  Association between serum 25(OH)D and death from prostate cancer. Br J Cancer. 2009 Feb 10;100(3):450-4.

Remember, studies of vitamin D levels and subsequent risk of cancer are only one type of epidemiological study. Studies of latitude and cancer are quite clear, the less sunshine the higher the cancer risk. Studies of dietary vitamin D intake and cancer are also mostly supportive but such studies are limited by the tiny doses people get in their diets.

So it is not just autistic children that are being harmed by vitamin A. Avoid cod liver oil like the poison it is and check your multivitamins. Life Extension Foundation just reformulated their multivitamin to contain only 500 IU of preformed retinol. And, I am happy to report that Purity Products, which markets my vitamin D, has no preformed retinol at all in any of their multivitamins, only beta carotene. Purity has also stopped selling cod liver oil. Now, if only Carlson, Solgar, Nature's Way, and other companies would stop selling cod liver oil and stop selling their concentrated vitamin A supplements to a country whose problem is widespread sub-clinical vitamin A toxicity, I'd be a happier agitator.

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I'm really puzzled by this, as my understanding from decades back had been that some people (myself included, I was told, and also many people from certain genetic backgrounds, e.g. coastal) do not utilize beta-carotene very well, and require adequate amounts of retinol, e.g. from fish oil, for various things including proper functioning of the thyroid gland.  For me, occasional doses of fish oil vitamin A (e.g. cod liver oil) were *hugely* helpful, so I find it very difficult to think of it as "poison."  So aside from the good ol' "individualization" thing, can anyone shed light on this for me?

Thanks!

Shannon

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Shannon Nelson | 3 Mar 2010 14:54

beyondhom GMO alfalfa, anyone?

 

Courtesy of Monsanto. If you prefer not, follow this link and sign
the petition--today, March 3, is the deadline:

http://fdn.actionkit.com/cms/sign/make_a_stand_for_organics/?referring_akid=.115502.Uosuwq&source=taf

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Shannon Nelson | 3 Mar 2010 22:07

beyondhom Titanium

 

Has anyone here had a case where Titanium or any of its salts were
used to good effect? (If so, I'll have more questions...)

Shannon

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leilanae | 6 Mar 2010 22:48
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Re: beyondhom EMF protection

 


On Mar 6, 2010, at 9:17 AM, <helensan <at> att.net> <helensan <at> att.net> wrote:



I’ve heard a lot of testimonials in EMF sensitivity support groups, but they are all different.   That is, what works for one person may not work for another.  It’s just one of those things where you have to try it out.  I haven’t heard of anything flagged as a certain scam though.    Some things sound really hokey to me, but some folks swear by them.
 
The only thing that have worked for us is a Faraday cage we built ourselves.  We sleep in it every night.

What materials did you use for the Faraday cage?  How big is it?

Thanks,

Leilanae
 
Otherwise, we just avoid wireless products and services unless necessary.  We have a cell phone, but it’s turned off if we’re not using it to make an emergency call.  We use wired mice and keyboards and routers and phones.    We have everything plugged into power strips and turn power strips off when not in use.
 
Helen
 
From: beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Nelson
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:03 AM
To: beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: beyondhom EMF protection
 
 

I've asked this before, but figure I'll ask again. :-)
I would love to hear if anyone has particularly positive (or 
otherwise) experience with an of the EMF protective devices on the 
market--a bewildering array, with equally bewildering 
"explanations"... We're now a four-cellphone family (tho the kids 
text more than phone), with wireless "land lines", a wireless computer 
connection, and an iPod that goes (wirelessly) on-line. Gaak, how did 
I *get* here?!?!?!?!

Thanks,
Shannon

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helensan | 6 Mar 2010 23:23
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RE: beyondhom EMF protection

 

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3012906&l=27916bd960&id=589424533

 

Here is a picture.

 

It is slightly wider than a double bed mattress.  We have a futon inside that we sleep on.  It is made of 100% pure copper mesh with brass nails or tacks on 2x4’s and plywood floor.

 

Helen

 

From: beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of leilanae
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 4:48 PM
To: beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: beyondhom EMF protection

 

 

What materials did you use for the Faraday cage?  How big is it?

 

Thanks,

 

Leilanae

 

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Shannon Nelson | 6 Mar 2010 17:03

beyondhom EMF protection

 

I've asked this before, but figure I'll ask again. :-)
I would love to hear if anyone has particularly positive (or
otherwise) experience with an of the EMF protective devices on the
market--a bewildering array, with equally bewildering
"explanations"... We're now a four-cellphone family (tho the kids
text more than phone), with wireless "land lines", a wireless computer
connection, and an iPod that goes (wirelessly) on-line. Gaak, how did
I *get* here?!?!?!?!

Thanks,
Shannon

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Liz Brynin | 6 Mar 2010 20:11

Re: beyondhom EMF protection

 

Hi Shannon
 
I invested in a Q-Link some years ago - and felt my energy lift almost from Day 1 (in fact, I can't sleep if I'm wearing it! Have to take it off when I go to bed)
 
This device is supposed to protect you from all the possibly damaging electro-magnetic waves, radio waves etc, that we are exposed to daily.
 
I feel it helps me. Google it to see all the recommendations - I know it's very popular among the golfing set.
 
Liz
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Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: beyondhom EMF protection

 

I've asked this before, but figure I'll ask again. :-)
I would love to hear if anyone has particularly positive (or
otherwise) experience with an of the EMF protective devices on the
market--a bewildering array, with equally bewildering
"explanations"... We're now a four-cellphone family (tho the kids
text more than phone), with wireless "land lines", a wireless computer
connection, and an iPod that goes (wirelessly) on-line. Gaak, how did
I *get* here?!?!?!?!

Thanks,
Shannon

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helensan | 6 Mar 2010 18:17
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RE: beyondhom EMF protection

 

I’ve heard a lot of testimonials in EMF sensitivity support groups, but they are all different.   That is, what works for one person may not work for another.  It’s just one of those things where you have to try it out.  I haven’t heard of anything flagged as a certain scam though.    Some things sound really hokey to me, but some folks swear by them.

 

The only thing that have worked for us is a Faraday cage we built ourselves.  We sleep in it every night.

 

Otherwise, we just avoid wireless products and services unless necessary.  We have a cell phone, but it’s turned off if we’re not using it to make an emergency call.  We use wired mice and keyboards and routers and phones.    We have everything plugged into power strips and turn power strips off when not in use.

 

Helen

 

From: beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Nelson
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:03 AM
To: beyondhomeopathy <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: beyondhom EMF protection

 

 

I've asked this before, but figure I'll ask again. :-)
I would love to hear if anyone has particularly positive (or
otherwise) experience with an of the EMF protective devices on the
market--a bewildering array, with equally bewildering
"explanations"... We're now a four-cellphone family (tho the kids
text more than phone), with wireless "land lines", a wireless computer
connection, and an iPod that goes (wirelessly) on-line. Gaak, how did
I *get* here?!?!?!?!

Thanks,
Shannon

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Jane MacRoss | 8 Mar 2010 04:06
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beyondhom An Open Letter To All Of Alternative Medicine (March 2010)

 



To all practitioners of alternative medicine:

Apparently my teenage son Willy Darman's idea in 2004 of combining a wide
range of nutritional supplements and taking such "all at once" was an
"accidental discovery" of enormous importance for all mankind. (I call this
combination of a wide range of nutritional supplements that Willy took all
at once beginning in late July 2004 "Willy's Baggie".)

Willy's Baggie was an "accidental discovery". It was a discovery that was
borne out of Willy's particular set of circumstances, and my own set of
circumstances as well.

One "accidental discovery" that some persons may be familiar with is that
concerning Charles Goodyear and the discovery of vulcanized rubber. (The key
discovery that Charles Goodyear made was that heating natural rubber and
sulfur created vulcanized rubber. One day he spilled a mixture of rubber,
sulfur and lead onto a hot stove. The heat charred the mixture, but didn't
ruin it. When Goodyear picked up the accident, he noticed that the mixture
had hardened but was still quite usable. Goodyear had discovered the
vulcanization of rubber. This was a breakthrough that Goodyear had pursued
for years, due to the fat that rubber, without being vulcanized, had very
few uses, while vulcanized rubber is used in everything from tires, to
shoes, to hockey pucks.)

Essentially the same ("a fortuitous accident") that happened to Mr.
Goodyear, happened in regard to Willy and I.

This idea of Willy's Baggie has proved itself out over time. It has worked
with a number of other persons since 2006 in regard to profoundly resolving
depressive, bipolar, and schizophrenic symptoms in an amazingly short time.
Willy's Baggie is also a big part of the the proper chemical answer for a
myriad of other mental and physical (degenerative) illnesses besides those
mentioned as well. (The illness called autism immediately comes to my mind.
So does MS.) In addition to this, Willy's Baggie is a big part of the proper
chemical answer to many addictions, to include those of alcohol, heroin, and
cocaine.

Adelle Davis was apparently right many years ago when she postulated "when
healing it is best to take the entire nutrient range all at once". Willy's
Baggie is a modern rendition of this idea, using supplement tools not
available to Adelle Davis in her time.

The current version of "Willy's Baggie" of supplements we are using is the
third generation of what we have discovered. I call it "Willy's Baggie III".
This formula, as well as the prior two formulas before the next was defined,
all represent the best chemical answer for depression that has EVER been
found. Rather severe and longstanding depressive symptoms can often be
resolved on day one with a Willy's Baggie, assuming a fiber purge is used
three hours or so prior to taking it. (In regard to the prior two sentences,
I am certain of what I am saying, due to both my own personal experience,
and the experiences of other persons that have taken Willy's Baggies as
well.)

Quite obviously, issues such as hidden food allergies, intestinal dysbiosis,
a lack of digestive enzymes, a high toxic load, etc. are a part of most
cases of mental illness. As such, these issues should be assessed and
addressed in any person that suffers from a wide range of mental illnesses.
The beauty of Willy's Baggie is that it can readily correct severe symptoms
in many persons despite doing little to nothing (other than a simple fiber
purge) in the above-mentioned regards.

Unfortunately, what my son and I have discovered, rather than helping
million of persons, as it easily could, has become a threat to our
supplement access in the U.S. This is due to the fact that Big Pharma, or
some portion thereof, realizes what I am saying is correct, while the rest
of the world does not yet understand or accept what I have to say. As a
result of this realization, the drug industry is doing all that it can to
get healing nutritional supplements off the open market.

As one example of the above, the timing of the move (2006-2007) by the FDA
to push through, on short public notice, a guidance document that would
label supplements as drugs was very likely to have been precipitated by
Willy's original recovery story being widely cross posted to the Internet in
June 2006. It was this same date that my extraordinary difficulty with
hackers began.

I am personally in deep trouble, as there is "more than being hacked by Big
Pharma" involved. To explain:

In addition to (1) having lost six different computers of my own to hackers
since June 2006, (2) having three others owned by family members hacked
while I was using them, and (3) being regularly hacked and disrupted using
public computers in two libraries near me, this past year (4) I have had
multiple unusual problems with my cell phone. These are problems that
Verizon Wireless cannot explain.

My problems in the above regards have gotten worse ever since it was found a
year ago that a Willy's Baggie supplement approach could readily resolve the
schizophrenic symptom of "hearing voices" within a matter of hours to a
matter of days.

However, there is even more to this story than the above. I am almost
certain that I nearly lost my life to goons paid for by Big Pharma on
January 6th, 2010. I firmly believe that on this date, an attempt was made
to grab me and make me disappear "Jimmy Hoffa style". Due only to my
alertness, "they missed".

All of the above-mentioned unusual events are a result of Big Pharma, or
some portion thereof, realizing that "if the cat gets out of the bag" (if
what Willy and I discovered becomes realized for what it truly is), drug
oriented medicine is in huge trouble.

Conclusion

I do not have either the connections, or the means (for the past seven
years, I have almost chronically been "dead broke"), to move the discoveries
my son and I have made forward. Due to this, I am trying to make all of
alternative medicine aware of what my son and I have discovered. And I am
trying to do this before it may be too late for me to do so.

In essence, I am attempting to pass "the football of knowledge" that my son
and I have gained. I ask for nothing in return. I am not trying to sell
anyone anything. I have no commercial or self-seeking agenda whatsoever.

If a Willy's Baggie approach gets picked up by anyone in alternative
medicine with the capability of doing something with it, drug oriented
medicine, or at least a big part of it, is doomed. I am willing to assist
anyone in doing this via email or the phone at no charge.

Sincerely,

Allen Darman

allen_dar <at> yahoo.com

Phone: 315-868-3417

Details of the above can be found on:

http://nutrientscure.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/some-of-the-more-important-blogs-on-this-site/
(This is my main site.)

and

http://my.opera.com/nutrientscure/blog/ (This secondary site has a before
and after picture of Willy.)

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