Paul | 1 Mar 2008 04:02
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RE: Get out those pens, write letters

My reply to the noted article:

Even as a Canadian, I have seen first hand what victims face at the hands of
those who have and will continue to act against the rule of law within
Canada, the US, and beyond. We have many laws here, and it has failed, as it
has elsewhere in the world.

No person need fear trained, screened, and licensed members of the community
outside of the confines of an educational institution where specific rules
apply, thus there is no cause to do so within an institution within those
same requirements. The facts and studies, even by those opposed to such use
of firearms in self defence, have failed to justify the article's flawed
points and reasoning.

What is reasonable is to train and screen individuals to ensure they are not
obtaining authorization to possess firearms in an unsafe manner. That has
gone a long way here to improving safety and responsibility, as it has in
the US states requiring training for concealed weapons licensing or offering
recognition to reciprocal training. This has improved with military service
and the roots of well balanced core values in families and community.

The systems are not perfect, and we must always understand that those intent
on harm will endeavour to inflict it on others and themselves. This is
dominantly a result of mental illness and therapy withdrawal (see SSRI's vs.
placebo therapies), legal and illegal drugs, bullying, and numerous
community factors that are at the root of the issues of such violent
incidents. The people have a right and responsibility to defend themselves
and others, and it would appear that the US Supreme Court will follow that
in a reasonable manner. Even as only a visitor, and as a concealed weapons
permit holder for much of the US, I support the reasonable choice of those
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Charlie | 1 Mar 2008 06:03
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Hello everybody..

I am new to this group. I just want to say hello.

I run a CCW forum http://ccwzone.com

I am a big time PRO 2A person and spend a lot of my day trying to 
educate people that guns are not the root of all evil. It is nice to 
see groups like this. 

Looking forward to chatting with you all.

Landor

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Al Barth | 1 Mar 2008 08:10
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Re: Hello everybody..

Howdy newbie ;-)) where ya all from?? and hopefully you can abide with a lot 
of old pharts talking about a lot other than concealed ;-))
which is what we do
Al Barth
Manteca, ca.
carrying concealed (forever) a Kahr P9 or a Kimber Ultra Compact CDP
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlie" <charlie@...>
To: <concealed@...>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: [concealed] Hello everybody..

>I am new to this group. I just want to say hello.
>
> I run a CCW forum http://ccwzone.com
>
> I am a big time PRO 2A person and spend a lot of my day trying to
> educate people that guns are not the root of all evil. It is nice to
> see groups like this.
>
> Looking forward to chatting with you all.
>
> Landor
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe, send a message to: concealed-unsubscribe@...
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Charlie | 1 Mar 2008 15:36
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Re: Hello everybody..

I can do that.. If you ask my kids I am an old fart also.. :)

--- In concealed@..., "Al Barth" <twodogss <at> ...> wrote:
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> Howdy newbie ;-)) where ya all from?? and hopefully you can abide 
with a lot 
> of old pharts talking about a lot other than concealed ;-))
> which is what we do
> Al Barth
> Manteca, ca.
> carrying concealed (forever) a Kahr P9 or a Kimber Ultra Compact CDP

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wild_bill_howell | 1 Mar 2008 17:27
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Re: Hello everybody..

<If you ask my kids I am an old fart also.. :)>
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Citation?, Source?, Link?

;-)
WB

--- In concealed@..., "Charlie" <charlie <at> ...> wrote:
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> I can do that.. If you ask my kids I am an old fart also.. :)
> 
> 
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> --- In concealed@..., "Al Barth" <twodogss <at> > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy newbie ;-)) where ya all from?? and hopefully you can abide 
> with a lot 
> > of old pharts talking about a lot other than concealed ;-))
> > which is what we do
> > Al Barth
> > Manteca, ca.
> > carrying concealed (forever) a Kahr P9 or a Kimber Ultra Compact CDP
>

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Dan | 1 Mar 2008 17:52

Trouble with new Kimber

Just bought a Kimber Pro Carry II. Took it to the range two weeks ago, 
put 200 rounds though it and had intermittent jams with 230 gr ball 
with the 7 round Kimber factory mag.

Brought it home.  Cleaned it, lubed it.

Bought 4 Wilson Rogers mags.  Ran 200 more rounds through it today and 
was experiencing a jam on the last round of every magazine nearly every 
time.

Lubed the slide to get it wetter.  Still happened over the next 50 
rounds except about half the time instead of every magazine.

Is this just breaking it in?  Is it still too dry?  Or do I have a 
problem?

Thanks

Dan

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Sharon Jones | 1 Mar 2008 18:56
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Re: Trouble with new Kimber

My Fiance says to lube more, and don't use anything like cosmoling, he says to use AR-15 gun grease.

----- Original Message ----
From: Dan <dan@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 10:52:54 AM
Subject: [concealed] Trouble with new Kimber

Just bought a Kimber Pro Carry II. Took it to the range two weeks ago, 
put 200 rounds though it and had intermittent jams with 230 gr ball 
with the 7 round Kimber factory mag.

Brought it home. Cleaned it, lubed it.

Bought 4 Wilson Rogers mags. Ran 200 more rounds through it today and 
was experiencing a jam on the last round of every magazine nearly every 
time.

Lubed the slide to get it wetter. Still happened over the next 50 
rounds except about half the time instead of every magazine.

Is this just breaking it in? Is it still too dry? Or do I have a 
problem?

Thanks

Dan

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Ted Riedel | 1 Mar 2008 19:12

Re: Trouble with new Kimber

Dan wrote:
> Just bought a Kimber Pro Carry II. Took it to the range two weeks ago, 
> put 200 rounds though it and had intermittent jams with 230 gr ball 
> with the 7 round Kimber factory mag.
>
> Brought it home.  Cleaned it, lubed it.
>
> Bought 4 Wilson Rogers mags.  Ran 200 more rounds through it today and 
> was experiencing a jam on the last round of every magazine nearly every 
> time.
>
> Lubed the slide to get it wetter.  Still happened over the next 50 
> rounds except about half the time instead of every magazine.
>
> Is this just breaking it in?  Is it still too dry?  Or do I have a 
> problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan
I'm not an expert nor do I play one on TV but... Did you buy the gun New 
or Used?  What make are the magazines?  Are the mags new or used?  What 
type of ammo, factory or handloads?  Ball, SWC's or JHP's?

Number your mags and see if it is one mag all of the time or any of the 
mags any of the time.

What lube are you using?  I tend to use BrakeFree CLP or TriFlo (sic on 
both) and am willing to re lube every couple of hundred rounds (and 
clean every 500 or so).
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Al Barth | 1 Mar 2008 19:33
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Re: Trouble with new Kimber

Dan, I have two Kimbers (Ultra Compact CDP I & II) and have and use Chip 
McCormick mags in both.  Like Ted, I can't remember when the last hic-up was 
with either of them ?? I would suggest you contact Kimber asap and follow 
their instructions .....

Darn good idea on numbering the mags, do that also.  Be advised that Kimber 
mags were a problem a while back (they have since switched to another 
supplier)  I have 10 McCormick mags now and probably will buy a few others 
in the future .....
Al Barth
Manteca, Ca.

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Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [concealed] Trouble with new Kimber

> Dan wrote:
>> Just bought a Kimber Pro Carry II. Took it to the range two weeks ago,
>> put 200 rounds though it and had intermittent jams with 230 gr ball
>> with the 7 round Kimber factory mag.
>>
>> Brought it home.  Cleaned it, lubed it.
>>
>> Bought 4 Wilson Rogers mags.  Ran 200 more rounds through it today and
>> was experiencing a jam on the last round of every magazine nearly every
>> time.
>>
>> Lubed the slide to get it wetter.  Still happened over the next 50
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Dan | 1 Mar 2008 20:29

Re: Trouble with new Kimber

Ted - 

Gun - new
Magazines - New, 1 Kimber factory and 4 Wilson Rogers 8 round.
Ammo - Winchester Whitebox 230 gr ball.
Lube - RemOil
Jam - NOse of last round partially fed into chamber. Smacking bottom of 
magazine with hand causes round to feed and slide to go into battery.

Dan

On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:12:13 -0800, Ted Riedel wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> Just bought a Kimber Pro Carry II. Took it to the range two weeks ago, 
>> put 200 rounds though it and had intermittent jams with 230 gr ball 
>> with the 7 round Kimber factory mag.
>>
>> Brought it home. Cleaned it, lubed it.
>>
>> Bought 4 Wilson Rogers mags. Ran 200 more rounds through it today and 
>> was experiencing a jam on the last round of every magazine nearly every 
>> time.
>>
>> Lubed the slide to get it wetter. Still happened over the next 50 
>> rounds except about half the time instead of every magazine.
>>
>> Is this just breaking it in? Is it still too dry? Or do I have a 
>> problem?
>>
>> Thanks
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