Brendan Whyte | 1 Dec 2004 02:51
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Ouidah


I have a 1MB scan of the city, showing the fort, from a recent 1:25,000 map.
Email me separately if you want me to send it to you.

At 08:26 AM 30/11/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/Jo%E3o-Baptista-de-Ajuda.htm
>it was annexed by Dahomey/Benin in 1961, but Portugal accepted this only 
>in 1985. today there is a museum. until now i could not find a map, 
>showing the exclave itself.

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Lowell G. McManus | 1 Dec 2004 04:49
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Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción


The proper translation of the Spanish is "Freetown of the Jurisdiction," not
"Town Free of the Jurisdiction."

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:04 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción

 I suppose that "free" is about the town, not about the jurisdiction.
So, the correct translation would be "free town into the
jurisdiction", and not "town free of the jurisdiction".
I don't know what jurisdiction would be: it's possible that it was a
town free, as an enclave into a land summited to a feudal
jurisdiction of a lord or a monastery.

marcel

--- In BoundaryPoint@..., "Wolfgang Schaub"
<Wolfgang.Schaub <at> c...> wrote:
> First, muchas gracias. Yes, you are right: "de la", not "sin".
Anyway, the
> meaning is the same. And still there is no explanation for the
name: ?Porque
> no tiene jurisdicción? Dear Quadernet, I would be immensely
grateful, if you
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Wolfgang Schaub | 1 Dec 2004 09:30

AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción

Marcel and Lowell:
 
Thank you for the "correct" translation. On the one side you are absolutely right and what you say sounds perfectly reasonable, on the other I have my doubts and wish to learn where the name really originates from - it may have suffered a twist from an original "villa (libre de jurisdicción)" to the modern "villalibre (de jurisdicción)". As a mountain climber I never give up and will explore directly at the source before we go on speculating - especially because it would be marvellous to see my hypothesis confirmed by a local historician. 
 
Thank you for sharing this little anecdote with me,
 
Wolfgang
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The proper translation of the Spanish is "Freetown of the Jurisdiction," not
"Town Free of the Jurisdiction."

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA


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I suppose that "free" is about the town, not about the jurisdiction.
So, the correct translation would be "free town into the
jurisdiction", and not "town free of the jurisdiction".
I don't know what jurisdiction would be: it's possible that it was a
town free, as an enclave into a land summited to a feudal
jurisdiction of a lord or a monastery.

marcel

--- In BoundaryPoint-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "Wolfgang Schaub"
<Wolfgang.Schaub <at> c...> wrote:
> First, muchas gracias. Yes, you are right: "de la", not "sin".
Anyway, the
> meaning is the same. And still there is no explanation for the
name: ?Porque
> no tiene jurisdicción? Dear Quadernet, I would be immensely
grateful, if you
> could find out for me, before I have to display my poor Spanish to
the mayor
> of this little village.
>
> Wolfgang



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aletheia kallos | 1 Dec 2004 22:25
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cornered & now buckeye az

youve just enjoyed my successive blown tries to send messages from the jeddito & hopiland claves & likewise my latest vortex nonvisit to the sedona anodes
so today i am reporting a new total of 4 muffs in a row
or yikes perhaps even 10 in a row if you will allow me all 7 cities of cibola for missing only 1
as i skulk away from my first last & best hope of any cibola at all
namely cibola az
indeed having never come within 30 miles of it
 
now of course anyone with a california drivers license still intact would have just driven over the bridges from ehrenberg to blythe & then from blythe to cibola
on paved roads all the way per delorme
but since i am being a civilly disobedient conscientious nonparticipant in my no longer recent & already highly aggravated seatbelt arrests in california
my connecticut driving privilege has actually been terminated for want of several hundreds of dollars now in the golden state
 
have you ever heard of such a thing
 
terminated by caleefornia
 
or i should say i have termeenated california as a place i would like to drive in just now
 
 
& as a result i condemned myself to 35 miles of washboard & hardscrabble on the arizona side of the colorado river
but very sensibly & very soon pardoned & completely exonerated myself of it
 
hence still no cities of cibola are being reported at this time
 
 
& as i continued on my merry way anyway toward my next tries
namely yuma & advanced sunbathing & maybe even another nip at mxn aka azbcca
since i have long desired to just torch the tall dense dry reeds there & expose the elusive reclusive tripoint position at midstream to broad daylight & easy visibility & access
 
& i dont think lighting a fire in the desert is a crime yet
 
but
 
about 50 miles south of quartzsite i spotted on the horizon the familiar & telltale form of a border patrol rear guard outpost of just the sort i inadvertently fell behind at las cruces exactly a year ago with exactly the same quantity of killer weed on board
& tho this outpost was deserted
& possibly even defunct like the one in truth or consequences nm is said to be
i immediately turned about face & extended my territorial termination to all points south as well
 
& moreover found myself completely surrounded at that point besides by the yuma proving ground artillery & bombing ranges
 
so i could do nothing but retreat toward quartzsite & points either north or east only thank you
 
&
 
being indisposed to return north to the cold i had just so comfortably skirted
i am in fact heading east now
which seems appropriate enough on a west to east transcontinental journey
& am also putting a hold on any more new pointing or other tries for the balance of 2004
just to savor a delicious full month of this record setting 4 or 7 or 10 blown tries in a row or however many it really is
 
& this will also give someone other than myself a chance to make the final try or tries of this years try pointing season
 
 
 
i did however indulge a palindromic fantasy in salome az this morning
a desert junction that bills itself simply as
where she danced
 
& boasts a church of st john the baptist too
 
& even has an official looking hysterical marker identifying dick wick & his fake laughing gas as partly responsible for the great fame of the place
so at this point i am guessing salome was the name of a real dance hall girl
& john the baptist a subsequent frontier joke
 
but anyway
as you may already have guessed
i am of course there looking for any sign of
or reason to create 
some womens organization or team or really any girls ensemble of any sort at all called the 
salome femolas
 
seems like such a natural
whatever the historic circumstances may have been
 
& was also wanting to post from so felicitously named a hamlet in the middle of nowhere
 
so when i asked nicki the barmaid
well more like a fertility goddess
for the internet she sent me over to barbara the innkeeper
a similarly large & feminine type
 
so there i had already bagged my legal minimum 2 femolas
no matter what happened next
 
but barbaras internet connection proved to be down
& she told me the girls sports teams at salome high are called only the frogs & the bobcats
 
& since i couldnt bring myself to pry further
or reveal more of my intent for its sheer silliness
i simply made good my escape at that point
 
& that is indeed all she wrote
 
 
my new name still remains to be unveiled locally 
& nicki & barbara also remain for now the worlds only salome femolas

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L. A. Nadybal | 2 Dec 2004 02:23
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Ajuda - Cabinda & Neutral Zone


I just posted three photos to the "Neutral Zones" and new "Africa
Enclaves" folders in the BPt Photos accumulation -

    a.  Photo of the Portuguese fort at Ajuda, Dahomey (Benin).
    b.  Photo of a group raising a Cabinda flag.
    c.  Photo of a QSL (amateur radio reception confirmation) card
from "Neutral Zone 46.3e & 29.05n" (which places it in northern Saudia
Arabia).  I wish I could have seen the stamsp on the back to see whose
post office served the "town" of 46.3e-29.05n.   So much for it being
an "empty quarter".

LN 

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Lowell G. McManus | 2 Dec 2004 04:04
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Re: cornered & now buckeye az


The reason for the name of Salome, Arizona, can be found at
http://www.azoutback.com/salome.htm .

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA

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aletheiak | 2 Dec 2004 20:54
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mesa az Re: cornered & now buckeye az


thanx
good links too

& i must also report in morning light or actually afternoon light by 
now that it is not necessarily so easy to stop trying

so i will reserve the right after all to continue to try 
spontaneously all month 
even while observing my official sabbatical from it
for i find i just cant help doing it

trying 
if not for boundary multipoints 
then at least for libraries colleges kinkos walmarts etc 

which can also be enormously exciting points as it were 
to try for 
when in terra incognita

so i find somehow almost nilly willy & notwithstanding my 
announcement to the contrary yesterday 
that i still am in the hunt along with all the rest of you for last 
try of 2004 honors
to culminate this fantastic year 
that was predicted from the start if not foreordained
as you may also recall
to be a year of magnificent refinement at bp

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> The reason for the name of Salome, Arizona, can be found at
> http://www.azoutback.com/salome.htm .
> 
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA

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aletheiak | 3 Dec 2004 18:35
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chandler az


fantastic news

just heard from rob 
& we are discussing an aznmso & yikes even a chnmso try

it is just talk so far
as i think the border dogs must be pretty intense in that area

not much else seems to be shakin today tho

beeps

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aletheiak | 3 Dec 2004 19:21
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chnmso


surprisingly
both the 24k & 100k scale usgs topos at topozone 
both dated 1983 
show a mxus2chnmso tristate point about 12 miles east of aznmso 
between features or populated places named los lamentos on the sonora 
side & el valle on the chihuahua side

so does anyone have any reason to believe that this is an accurate 
depiction of the tripoint location
based on authoritative information

or any better reason to believe in a different location

or does anyone know where the authoritative & current data for this 
point can be found

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aletheia kallos | 4 Dec 2004 18:32
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buckeye az again Re: chnmso & aznmso aka aznmmex

while i have inadvertently but actually circled phoenix
more email has come evidently from rob &or an associate
offlist again
but of considerable multipointing interest
so i am taking the liberty of chatting with them & you all out loud
 
also in order to economize my limited internet time here
 
& since it is so quiet there anyway
 
& with apologies if necessary to you my primary & actual correspondent
 
 
yes yes yes i would love to dare another try at both aznmmex & nearby chnmso
especially if you or anyone else can confirm that there are no permanent border patrol rear guard installations between phoenix & there on the route shown on the topo
 
& if you can confirm this
then i would be completely flexible in the timing so as to suit your needs & convenience
 
& would love to meet you or you all in any case
 
coming overnight lows in douglas
if overnighting is necessary
are forecast at 43 38 31 41 39 42 42 41 39 fahrenheit respectively
with no rain in sight
 
but am running out of time now
so let me just post this now & continue with you however possible
 
cheerio
m

deutsche_kilr <deutsche_kilr-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Hey man, when are you leaving? I'm itching to go to Mex, but I
really don't want to be arrested again, and if I'm out at the
tripoint, that seems like the farthest possible place from Mexican
police. Anyways I got a great link for the topo of the Arizona New
Mex Mex border.

http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/other/aznmme1.htm

By the way, I'm at ASU. So hit me up.

--- In BoundaryPoint-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "aletheiak"
wrote:
>
> surprisingly
> both the 24k & 100k scale usgs topos at topozone
> both dated 1983
> show a mxus2chnmso tristate point about 12 miles east of aznmso
> between features or populated places named los lamentos on the
sonora
> side & el valle o n the chihuahua side
>
> so does anyone have any reason to believe that this is an accurate
> depiction of the tripoint location
> based on authoritative information
>
> or any better reason to believe in a different location
>
> or does anyone know where the authoritative & current data for
this
> point can be found



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