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michael donner | 5 Dec 2000 03:25

Re: Llivia and Jervis Bay

cool maps & adventures brendan
& congrats to you & us all on message 1000

you must be our millennium specialist

anyway does this map mean to indicate australia has federal coastal waters
like canada & mexico
or both state & federal waters like the usa
or different standards for state & territorial waters
or what

m

also have you looked into any of the ozzy tripoints

>
>
>The following (hopefully attached!) scans are from:
>
>Puigcerda,sheet 217, 1:50 000, Spain
>(I can't read the publishers info, but the only date given is 1949, yet i
>bought it new in Holland 2 months ago): "Efectuados los trabajos
>Geodesicos, por la Direccion general del instituto Geografico y Cadastral; y
>los Topograficos por la misma y el Servicio Geografico del Ejercito, 2a
>edicion, 1949."
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>St-Gaudens Andorre, sheet 71, Top100 series, 1:100 000, IGN, France
>edition 1, 1999
>
>Bourg-Madame.Mont-Louis, sheet 2250ET, Top25 Series, 1:25 000, IGN, France,
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michael donner | 5 Dec 2000 03:25

Re: Llivia

wow
so does this mean you saw continental russia from little diomede

that is extremely cool if so

hats off & earmuffs too

africa from europe
gibraltar
well ok
count twice

in that case i would claim multiple visits to
kentucky bend
liberty island
monte carlo
st regis

also do you really mean international tripoint
or is that just another way to say tri country point

i am a tri country point virgin myself
but have shagged a few good binational tripoints

would have called them international tripoints too tho

m

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michael donner | 5 Dec 2000 03:26

botswana namibia zambia

the following analysis is actually a slight simplification of brownlie
since there is much too much detail to repeat

it is unresolved whether the easternmost point of namibia forms only an
ordinary tripoint with corners of botswana & zambia
or whether it actually combines to form a quadripoint with the westernmost
point of zimbabwe also

& upon the resolution of this question hinges the further question of
whether botswana & zambia even share a common boundary at all or meet only
at the single common point

there is by contrast no possibility at all that namibia & zimbabwe share a
common border

but to add to the problem & confusion
there also exist 5 possible configurations of the overall conjunction as
well as various combinations of these

happily tho
the maximum possible difference amongst all the various probabilities
appears to be a matter of no more than a few hundred meters
& the entire area of uncertainty is apparently confined well within the
river confluence

nevertheless the hard truth for this particular tripoint appears to be that
its position can only be clearly stated at the present time if it is
considered not to exist per se but only in association with the zimbabwe
corner
which point alone has the virtue of being positively fixed
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michael donner | 5 Dec 2000 03:26

botswana south africa zimbabwe

tripoint situated at confluence of rivers shashi & limpopo
but there is no agreement on its precise location

by my very rough guess
s lat 22d 30m
e long 29d 15m
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michael donner | 5 Dec 2000 03:26

botswana zambia zimbabwe & maybe namibia

the basic tripoint is fixed at the thalweg junction of the chobe & zambezi
rivers
& it also represents both the westernmost point of zimbabwe & the
northernmost point of botswana

tho not quite the southernmost point of zambia
shucks

because of uncertainty dating back to colonial times
it is possible that the 3 countries already definitely convergent at this
point may also be joined there by an extreme rendition of the easternmost
point in namibia as well

for details of which see also
botswana namibia zambia
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michael donner | 5 Dec 2000 03:26

burkina faso ghana ivory coast

tripoint on thalweg of black volta
at approx n lat 9d 29m 30s
& very approx w long 2d 40m

no witness mark
map evidence only
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Brendan Whyte | 5 Dec 2000 03:36
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Re: Llivia and Jervis Bay

Oz tripoints are all wqell demarcated, and are sources of tourism for 
$WDers, as three are in the middle of nowhere. One is the site of a pub: 
"The Corner Store"!!!
Dunno about waters for Jervis bay, but looking at the map, it is interesting 
that they have drawn a line form St Georg'es penn part out to the island 
nearby. It cuts through 2 jetties on my 1:25 000 maps!

PS the shortest Aussie border is a few hundred metres long, if that, along a 
rocklet in Bass Strait. Recent checking of the borders location reveals it 
accidentally goes through a rock that the border demarcation last century 
tried to avoid. Oh well.

B

>From: michael donner <m@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@...
>To: BoundaryPoint@...
>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:25:24 -0400
>
>cool maps & adventures brendan
>& congrats to you & us all on message 1000
>
>you must be our millennium specialist
>
>
>anyway does this map mean to indicate australia has federal coastal waters
>like canada & mexico
>or both state & federal waters like the usa
>or different standards for state & territorial waters
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Brendan Whyte | 5 Dec 2000 03:37
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Re: Llivia and Jervis Bay

Oz tripoints are all well demarcated, and are sources of tourism for 4WDers, 
as three are in the middle of nowhere. One is the site of a pub: "The Corner 
Store"!!!
Dunno about waters for Jervis bay, but looking at the map, it is interesting 
that they have drawn a line from St Georg'es penn part out to the island 
nearby. It cuts through 2 jetties on my 1:25 000 maps!

PS the shortest Aussie border is a few hundred metres long, if that, along a 
rocklet in Bass Strait. Recent checking of the borders location reveals it 
accidentally goes through a rock that the border demarcation last century 
tried to avoid. Oh well.

B

>From: michael donner <m@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@...
>To: BoundaryPoint@...
>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:25:24 -0400
>
>cool maps & adventures brendan
>& congrats to you & us all on message 1000
>
>you must be our millennium specialist
>
>
>anyway does this map mean to indicate australia has federal coastal waters
>like canada & mexico
>or both state & federal waters like the usa
>or different standards for state & territorial waters
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David Mark | 5 Dec 2000 05:05

Re: Llivia


On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, michael donner wrote:

> wow
> so does this mean you saw continental russia from little diomede

Actually, from the little town of Gambell, Alaska, at the western end of
Saint Lawrence Island, looking across to the snowy mountains of the
Chukotsky Peninsula. I was there for 6 days in June 1979, on a birding
trip, getting Asian birds for my North America list.

> that is extremely cool if so
> 
> hats off & earmuffs too
> 
> 
> africa from europe
> gibraltar
> well ok
> count twice

More easily seen from Tarifa, Spain, and especially a great viewpoint on
the road just east of tarifa.

> in that case i would claim multiple visits to
> kentucky bend
> liberty island
> monte carlo
> st regis
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Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen | 5 Dec 2000 20:52
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Re: Llivia

I am also a tripoint virgin, but I also want to boast!! I have been to the southern most point of Africa. This is
the non-political tripoint where Africa borders Atlantic Ocean and Indian Ocean. Pretty strange as we
were driving on a big road along the coast for the point, suddenly a road sign points inland north. Well we
followed the signs and eventually got there.

Jesper 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 5:05 AM
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> 
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, michael donner wrote:
> 
> > wow
> > so does this mean you saw continental russia from little diomede
> 
> Actually, from the little town of Gambell, Alaska, at the western end of
> Saint Lawrence Island, looking across to the snowy mountains of the
> Chukotsky Peninsula. I was there for 6 days in June 1979, on a birding
> trip, getting Asian birds for my North America list.
> 
> > that is extremely cool if so
> > 
> > hats off & earmuffs too
> > 
> > 
> > africa from europe
> > gibraltar
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