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Tony Godshall | 1 Jul 2008 01:15

Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

how about green?

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Marcy Greenhut <imgreen07@...> wrote:
> I asked about getting blue-colored pavement in bike lanes in specific locations in Berkeley some time ago
and was told we couldn't do that due to California regulations about use of color.
> I think it makes a great statement that "bikes belong here" and wish we could do it.
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> Marcy
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> I  used to live in Portland for a few years.  Had to move back when my $ ran out.  They were experimenting with
solid blue bike lanes at car merges and right turns when I left.  It was like the magic kingdom for bikes.
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christen | 1 Jul 2008 01:27
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Hello all

Thank you everyone for your support and suggestions. I'm going to try to squeeze in a trip to the Oakland PD
this afternoon on my way from work to class. I'm studying for the California Bar Exam and have review class
in Berkeley at nights after work, so it will be cutting it close. Hope I can make it there before class.

Thanks again everyone. I really appreciate all your kind words and insights.

~Christen
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Michael Graff | 1 Jul 2008 01:44
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Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 09:36, Marcy Greenhut <imgreen07@...> wrote:

> I asked about getting blue-colored pavement in bike lanes in specific locations in Berkeley some time ago
and was told we couldn't do that due to California regulations about use of color.
> I think it makes a great statement that "bikes belong here" and wish we could do it.

At intersections, it's difficult to indicate exactly where bikes
belong.  It depends on the cyclist's destination.  There are at least
three possible spots, for cyclists going left or through or right.

It's also difficult to specify exactly where through and turning
traffic must cross paths.  Oregon partially addresses the situation by
prohibiting merging before intersections, but that creates a new set
of problems.  In California, that merge can happen anywhere before the
intersection.
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Jennifer Stanley | 1 Jul 2008 03:39

Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

The San Francisco MTA requested and received permission from the  
California Traffic Control Devices Committee (CTCDC) to experiment  
with colored bike lanes. By getting permission, they avoid the  
liability associated with "non-standard" traffic control devices. For  
more info on their experiment, see http://sfmta.com/cms/bproj/ 
documents/SF_Colored_Pavement_Experiment_Request_May_2007.pdf.

Though blue was the color pioneered by Portland, they've since  
switched to green because, at the national level, the Federal Highway  
Administration has approved experiments with green lanes in other  
cities, including Chicago and the state of Vermont. Blue is  
associated with disabled placards and such and there is a feeling  
that green will be less confusing (plus, it matches the color of a  
standard "BIKE ROUTE" sign, plus, it's got that "green" meaning,  
doncha know).

If SF's experiment demonstrates that the colored bike lanes through  
conflict zones improve safety, a standard will be developed for  
adoption statewide, as happened with the "sharrow" marking. Thanks to  
SF staff for leading the way (again).

-Jennifer

On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Marcy Greenhut wrote:

> I asked about getting blue-colored pavement in bike lanes in  
> specific locations in Berkeley some time ago and was told we  
> couldn't do that due to California regulations about use of color.
> I think it makes a great statement that "bikes belong here" and  
> wish we could do it.
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Mike Jones | 1 Jul 2008 03:55
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Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

A "green" example can be seen at my Gallery on the EBBC site
(www.ebbc.org/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=114) together with couple of other
Portland Pix.

Mike

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Subject: Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

The San Francisco MTA requested and received permission from the  
California Traffic Control Devices Committee (CTCDC) to experiment  
with colored bike lanes. By getting permission, they avoid the  
liability associated with "non-standard" traffic control devices. For  
more info on their experiment, see http://sfmta.com/cms/bproj/ 
documents/SF_Colored_Pavement_Experiment_Request_May_2007.pdf.

Though blue was the color pioneered by Portland, they've since  
switched to green because, at the national level, the Federal Highway  
Administration has approved experiments with green lanes in other  
cities, including Chicago and the state of Vermont. Blue is  
associated with disabled placards and such and there is a feeling  
that green will be less confusing (plus, it matches the color of a  
standard "BIKE ROUTE" sign, plus, it's got that "green" meaning,  
doncha know).

If SF's experiment demonstrates that the colored bike lanes through
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BikeDave | 1 Jul 2008 04:11
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Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

Or, you can go to the below link for the "bike box" film.

BikeDave

=v= Clarence Eckerson has filmed a sequel to his overexcited
"Bike Box!" StreetFilms video.  This one takes place in
Portland, home of the bright green bike box:

http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/portland-green-bike-box

On Jun 30, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Mike Jones wrote:

> A "green" example can be seen at my Gallery on the EBBC site
> (www.ebbc.org/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=114) together with couple of other
> Portland Pix.

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RBishop747 | 1 Jul 2008 05:19
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Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

I would hope that they would include an anti-slip ingredient into the paint  
to avoid the slick surface pure paint can present.  

Sincerely,

Ron Bishop - Architect 
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Bicycle Safety Instructor - LCI
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Eric McCaughrin | 1 Jul 2008 07:25
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Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, Jennifer Stanley <jxstan@...> wrote:
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> If SF's experiment demonstrates that the colored bike
> lanes through conflict zones improve safety, a standard will be developed
> for  adoption statewide, as happened with the "sharrow" marking. Thanks 
> to SF staff for leading the way (again).

With all due respect to SF, the city of Sunnyvale started doing blue paint treatment over 6 years ago.

      
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Emma Gilbride | 1 Jul 2008 08:45

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 From my experience in Portland, the paint is non skid.

On Jun 30, 2008, at 8:19 PM, RBishop747@... wrote:

> I would hope that they would include an anti-slip ingredient into  
> the paint
> to avoid the slick surface pure paint can present.
>
> Sincerely,
>
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> Ron Bishop - Architect
> Bishop  Architecture
> Bicycle Safety Instructor - LCI
> [510]  652-4667
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> fuel-efficient used cars.      (http://autos.aol.com/used? 
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Alan Forkosh | 1 Jul 2008 09:16
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Re: [Ebbc-Talk] Blue lanes for bikes

For another take on blue lanes, see the webpage

http://www.bikexprt.com/bikepol/facil/lanes/amiblue.htm

written by John Allen, the author of "Street Smarts".

Alan Forkosh                    Oakland, CA
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