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Neal V. Adams | 1 Nov 2006 01:45
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[ebbc-talk] Bernie Mikkelsen's health

Hi,

I've known Bernie for a few years, ever since he rebuilt a crunched  
Bridgestone of mine.
Living in Alameda for years, I frequently run into he and his wife at  
the local coffee shop. I was shocked when she told me the news a week  
or so ago.

I spoke to Melody, Bernie's wife the other morning and she gave me  
permission to send
an update to anyone interested in his health. Bernie's relocated from  
Alameda Hospital to the Palo Alto VA Hospital for rehabilitation.  
Melody says that Bernie is doing quite well, his condition has  
improved greatly but there is work to do. He's a tough cookie and the  
doctors say that his recovery should go well. She's working at the  
shop fielding calls and trying to keep
things going with the help of their friends/colleagues. The support  
has been great and she
was touched by the concern expressed by the many people that know or  
know of him.

--Neal

  
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Marcy | 1 Nov 2006 02:21
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Re: [ebbc-talk] Shopping at Karim Cycle?

Mr. Karim-

I fully understand the sentiment expressed in your letter below.  As a 
reader and occasional poster to this list, I have seen some exchanges about 
your store.  Instead of a newspaper article, I will tell a personal story.

In 1996 a friend was witness to my partner's bike being stolen, but he 
couldn't catch the thief.

A couple days later, my partner went shopping for a "new" used bike.  He 
stopped at Karim's first, since there was such a large selection of used 
bikes.

One of the bikes he found there looked like his, but it had been painted. 
He told the store operator.  The operator asked him for identifying features 
on his bike to prove it was his.  Though the bike had been painted he was 
able to identify his bike and the store operator agreed to "sell" him back 
his own bike for the cost of a tune up.  My partner agreed and got his bike 
back.

I believe there is a waiting period between the time a store operator 
purchases a used bike and re-sells it.  I'm sure this waiting period, if it 
exists, is more than 2 days.  The object of the waiting period is to avoid 
just what happened to my partner with his bike.  At the time, it was clear 
that your store didn't observe a waiting period.

You didn't mention this waiting period in your letter, Mr. Karim.

Do you apply a waiting period before re-selling bicycles you purchase? 
Admittedly, my story is now 10 years old.  Have your policies or practices
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Lee Amosslee | 1 Nov 2006 04:06

Re: [ebbc-talk] Shopping at Karim Cycle?

Marcy wrote:
> ...I will tell a personal story.
>
> In 1996 a friend was witness to my partner's bike being stolen...
> A couple days later, my partner went shopping for a "new" used bike.  He 
> stopped at Karim's first...
> One of the bikes he found there looked like his, but it had been painted. 
> He told the store operator.  The operator asked him for identifying features 
> on his bike to prove it was his.  Though the bike had been painted he was 
> able to identify his bike and the store operator agreed to "sell" him back 
> his own bike for the cost of a tune up.  My partner agreed and got his bike 
> back.
>   
I would also ask, if the victim could identify the bike enough to 
satisfy the store operator that is was stolen, shouldn't the operator 
have returned the bike for no cost, since selling stolen goods is a crime?

Marci did not provide enough details for us to make a judgment on the 
situation she provided (I'm not criticizing her, just pointing out why I 
won't judge this case), but I'm wondering what the store's policy would 
be if someone comes in and can clearly demonstrate a bike is theirs 
(personal card found in the bottom bracket, state ID numbers stamped in 
bike, police report, etc.). Would the bike be returned to the owner?

I do appreciate Mr. Karim's work at keeping bikes in circulation, 
providing them at low cost (used vs. new), etc., and understand the 
difficulties confronted by running such a business (one stolen bike sold 
can lead to a long line of anecdotes about "he sells stolen bikes"). It 
is also our responsibilities as bike owners to use the registration 
process provided by the state to assist in identifying our bikes if
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Steve Ardrey | 1 Nov 2006 19:49
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[ebbc-talk] Will EBBC provide Valet Parking at this event?

Will the EBBC provide Valet Parking at theis event?

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Dave Campbell | 1 Nov 2006 20:25
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[ebbc-talk] Cycles of Change Block Party in City of Alameda this Saturday

Hi EBBC,

We have an upcoming event this Saturday, which is a Bike Block Party  
to celebrate the opening of the
Alameda Point Collaborative/Cycles  of Change Community Bike Shop.

We have a fantastic non-profit bicycle center project which we are  
trying hard to promote in order to offer affordable, ecological, and  
educational bicycle services to residents throughout the Alameda  
Point Collaborative, the City of Alameda, and to others throughout  
the East Bay and beyond!  Please let me know as soon as you can if  
this is possible!

Thanks!

Barry Luck
APC Community Bike Shop
www.apcollaborative.org
www.cyclesofchange.org
h: (510) 444-4131
c: (510) 919-7679

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Marcy | 1 Nov 2006 20:36
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Re: [ebbc-talk] Shopping at Karim Cycle?

Sorry so short on the details, but it has been 10 years and it didn't happen 
directly to me, and I wasn't there when the bike was retrieved.

I agree, at the time I was astonished that the shop actually charged the 
customer who's stolen bike was found there.  Apparently the store wasn't 
willing to admit the bike was "stolen" and thus compromised by charging only 
for the tune.

My best memory is that there was some identifying marks my partner had made 
to his own bike and he found them - they showed through the paint.  He isn't 
the type to "register" but did attempt to theft-proof his own bike.

My point in writing the message was to ask Mr. Karim to assure potential 
bike customers (like me!) that they will not be purchasing stolen bikes.  I 
prefer to purchase "recycled" products, but not at the expense of someone 
who's bike was recently stolen.

Having been close to someone who found his recently stolen bike at Karim's, 
I don't include Karim's on my list of shops to look for bikes.  Perhaps his 
policy has changed?

I noted the absense in Mr. Karim's letter, of any discussion of precautions 
he takes to ensure he is purchasing and at least not reselling stolen goods. 
Why did he omit this important point?

Can anyone remind us if there is a waiting period and what it is?

I would like to be able to shop at and refer people to Karim's, so I'm 
asking these questions.
Marcy
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Dave Campbell | 1 Nov 2006 21:09
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[ebbc-talk] Corrected announcement for Cycles of Change

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Greetings!

I hope that you have Saturday, November 4th free!  If you do, please  
come
out to Alameda Point Collaborative Community Bike Shop's Bike Block  
Party!

It runs from 11-1:30pm on Saturday, Nov. 4th and is a benefit to support
the APC Community Bike Shop.  There will be used bicycle sales, music,
entertainment, free food (BBQ), raffle prizes and repair clinics.  The
goal of the event is to promote the shop's services and used bike  
sales to
APC residents and beyond in order to generate strong community  
support for
its long term sustainability.

Alameda Point Collaborative (at the former Alameda Naval Base) is a 500
person residential housing community for formerly homeless children,
women, and men.  The APC Community Bike Shop is a collaborative project
between Alameda Point Collaborative, Cycles of Change, and other local
community groups.

Also, if you'd like to be involved (we could use help fixing bikes to  
sell
for the event), or could just spread the word to all those you know,  
that
would be greatly appreciated!
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Gabriel Frazee | 1 Nov 2006 21:27
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Re: [ebbc-talk] Shopping at Karim Cycle?

Given the fact that the Daily Planet had a cover story not that long
ago about Karim Cycles where BPD recovered close to a dozen stolen
bikes (probably would have been more but few people file police
reports for their "beaters") I suppose it's safe to say not much has
changed there.

My own personal experience, while shopping for a used bike, was a
complete and utter lack of customer service.  Even after tripping on a
broken bicycle chain which was strung across the aisle and falling
onto the bikes no one came to see if I was ok, they just looked over
their shoulder at me and watched as I struggled to get back up.
Needless to say, I walked out never to return.

On 11/1/06, Marcy <imgreen03@...> wrote:
> Sorry so short on the details, but it has been 10 years and it didn't happen
> directly to me, and I wasn't there when the bike was retrieved.
>
> I agree, at the time I was astonished that the shop actually charged the
> customer who's stolen bike was found there.  Apparently the store wasn't
> willing to admit the bike was "stolen" and thus compromised by charging only
> for the tune.
>
> My best memory is that there was some identifying marks my partner had made
> to his own bike and he found them - they showed through the paint.  He isn't
> the type to "register" but did attempt to theft-proof his own bike.
>
> My point in writing the message was to ask Mr. Karim to assure potential
> bike customers (like me!) that they will not be purchasing stolen bikes.  I
> prefer to purchase "recycled" products, but not at the expense of someone
> who's bike was recently stolen.
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Platecleaner | 1 Nov 2006 22:39
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Re: [ebbc-talk] Shopping at Karim Cycle

I thought a lot of the hostility toward Karim's is because he is kind of a prickly personality.  Anyone who has
gone into his shop and been treated rudely takes some delight in his problems with the police, and is less
likely to consider the contributions he's made to cycling community.

 
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John P | 1 Nov 2006 23:44
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Re: [ebbc-talk] Shopping at Karim Cycle

On 11/1/06, Platecleaner <platecleaner@...> wrote:
> I thought a lot of the hostility toward Karim's is because he is kind of a prickly personality.  Anyone who
has gone into his shop and been treated rudely takes some delight in his problems with the police, and is
less likely to consider the contributions he's made to cycling community.
> ---------------------------------

I thought Karim's post was interesting and have wondered about the
shop for quite a while, so I stopped by.  A customer couldn't walk
literally more than a few feet into the door as a giant pile of
bicycles prevented any further movement.  I suppose that's fine if you
know exactly what you want and can ask for it, but that does alter the
typical shopping experience where you can look at a variety of goods
yourself.  I would have liked to have seen what was available in
person, but that did not seem possible due to the organization, or
lack thereof.

So I asked for a specific part/accessory I wanted.  I was not
surprised to find they did not have it new as other shops did not
either, but was nicely surprised to find they thought they might have
it used.  I was disappointed to hear that the box with those items was
not accessible at that time and I was asked to return at a later date
or time.  I wouldn't say I was treated rudely, perhaps honestly.  But
that strikes me as an odd business practice to turn someone away
without trying to help them when they're there.

And of course I'd like to hear more about what if any measures are
taken to prevent stolen bicycles from being fenced there.  Is a copy
of a seller's id made and kept on file with the bicycle's serial
number?  I don't know much about business.  Is that too much to ask of
a small shop?
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