Segraves | 1 Jan 14:58 2012
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Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

I'm hoping those with tarp experience might be able to suggest some ways of implementing an idea I had yesterday. It's a little out of the box (though I expect others have thought of it and maybe already tested it) and may or may not have any merit.

1) Suppose you had some mechanism of providing adequate cover to the bottom 4 feet or so of your body. It doesn't really matter what it is - a bivy, a waterproof bag, or just a piece of WPB cloth draped over your bag.

2) Now, you want a way to protect the top half from light rain, and in such a way that you don't invite any condensation, i.e., you want it to be very open.

3) One way would be to pitch a mini-tarp to cover a ~ 3 x 3 area around your top half. For a variety of reasons, my preference would be to have the low end above my head, and the high end around my waist, if it's not a straight A configuration.

4) It's not too hard to see how to do this if there's a well-placed tree to tie off the ridgeline, but if not, my trekking pole is going to have to be coming straight out of my stomach, or else I'll have to shape things so the pole is to one side (if there's an easy answer, that's probably it) or use some sort of hoop.

5) The hoop idea is not without some appeal - overall, it'd be like an A16 bivy with waterproof fabric on the front end or, when paired with a bottom half bivy, like a Black Diamond hooped bivy with a larger opening between the two segments - but this would add significantly to the weight. If there isn't a 2-3 additional ounce answer to this question, this is not goin g to work.

I am of course happy to hear ideas about alternative approaches and about unforeseen shortcomings, but am hoping that some of you might help come up with some suggestions that will help me give this a try.

Thanks and Happy New Year!

Bill
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Ralph Oborn | 1 Jan 15:17 2012
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Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

3 by 3 isn't very big, even for just your top half, not if there is any real rain.      IMHO

Ralph

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Segraves <andrews9000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:


I'm hoping those with tarp experience might be able to suggest some ways of implementing an idea I had yesterday. It's a little out of the box (though I expect others have thought of it and maybe already tested it) and may or may not have any merit.

1) Suppose you had some mechanism of providing adequate cover to the bottom 4 feet or so of your body. It doesn't really matter what it is - a bivy, a waterproof bag, or just a piece of WPB cloth draped over your bag.

2) Now, you want a way to protect the top half from light rain, and in such a way that you don't invite any condensation, i.e., you want it to be very open.

3) One way would be to pitch a mini-tarp to cover a ~ 3 x 3 area around your top half. For a variety of reasons, my preference would be to have the low end above my head, and the high end around my waist, if it's not a straight A configuration.

4) It's not too hard to see how to do this if there's a well-placed tree to tie off the ridgeline, but if not, my trekking pole is going to have to be coming straight out of my stomach, or else I'll have to shape things so the pole is to one side (if there's an easy answer, that's probably it) or use some sort of hoop.

5) The hoop idea is not without some appeal - overall, it'd be like an A16 bivy with waterproof fabric on the front end or, when paired with a bottom half bivy, like a Black Diamond hooped bivy with a larger opening between the two segments - but this would add significantly to the weight. If there isn't a 2-3 additional ounce answer to this question, this is not going to work.

I am of course happy to hear ideas about alternative approaches and about unforeseen shortcomings, but am hoping that some of you might help come up with some suggestions that will help me give this a try.

Thanks and Happy New Year!

Bill



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Bryce | 1 Jan 16:20 2012
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Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

What would be the benefit of this setup over a regular tarp?

Bryce

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Subject: [BackpackingLight] Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

I'm hoping those with tarp experience might be able to suggest some ways of implementing an idea I had yesterday. It's a little out of the box (though I expect others have thought of it and maybe already tested it) and may or may not have any merit.

1) Suppose you had some mechanism of providing adequate cover to the bottom 4 feet or so of your body. It doesn't really matter what it is - a bivy, a waterproof bag, or just a piece of WPB cloth draped over your bag.

2) Now, you want a way to protect the top half from light rain, and in such a way that you don't invite any condensation, i.e., you want it to be very open.

3) One way would be to pitch a mini-tarp to cover a ~ 3 x 3 area around your top half. For a variety of reasons, my preference would be to have the low end above my head, and the high end around my waist, if it's not a straight A configuration.

4) It's not too hard to see how to do this if there's a well-placed tree to tie off the ridgeline, but if not, my trekking pole is going to have to be coming straight out of my stomach, or else I'll have to shape things so the pole is to one side (if there's an easy answer, that's probably it) or use some sort of hoop.

5) The hoop idea is not without some appeal - overall, it'd be like an A16 bivy with waterproof fabric on the front end or, when paired with a bottom half bivy, like a Black Diamond hooped bivy with a larger opening between the two segments - but this would add significantly to the weight. If there isn't a 2-3 additional ounce answer to this question, this is not goin g to work.

I am of course happy to hear ideas about alternative approaches and about unforeseen shortcomings, but am hoping that some of you might help come up with some suggestions that will help me give this a try.

Thanks and Happy New Year!

Bill
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hikelite2000 | 1 Jan 21:29 2012
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Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/gear-news/omerand39s-25-gramme-tarp/5278.html

--- In BackpackingLight-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, Segraves <andrews9000 <at> ...> wrote:
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> 3) One way would be to pitch a mini-tarp to cover a ~ 3 x 3 area around your top half. For a variety of reasons, my preference would be to have the low end above my head, and the high end around my waist, if it&#39;s not a straight A configuration.
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Segraves | 1 Jan 21:53 2012
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Re: Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

Bingo - that's just what I had in mind! Thanks a bunch!

Best,

Bill

--- On Sun, 1/1/12, hikelite2000 <hikelite2000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/gear-news/omerand39s-25-gramme-tarp/5278.html
>
> --- In BackpackingLight-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org,
> Segraves <andrews9000 <at> ...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> > 3)  One way would be to pitch a mini-tarp to
> cover a ~ 3 x 3 area around your top half.  For a
> variety of reasons, my preference would be to have the low
> end above my head, and the high end around my waist, if
> it's not a straight A configuration.

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shari | 2 Jan 00:01 2012
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Re: Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

Interesting, but I can't see how you'd keep your gear dry.  That little space under the wing seems awfully small.



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Segraves | 2 Jan 03:37 2012
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Re: Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

Not too worried about that, since almost all of my gear is either hanging in a bear bag or in, on or over me.  What isn't can fit easily under a rain jacket or a few square feet of polycryo.  If I had much additional stuff, or wanted/needed a lot of space for camp activity, I'd be thinking about it differently.
 
Best,
 
Bill

--- On Sun, 1/1/12, shari <sharihikes-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Interesting, but I can't see how you'd keep your gear dry.  That little space under the wing seems awfully small.


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Ralph Oborn | 2 Jan 03:50 2012
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Re: Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

Interesting,  I withdraw my concern

Ralph

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Segraves <andrews9000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:


Not too worried about that, since almost all of my gear is either hanging in a bear bag or in, on or over me.  What isn't can fit easily under a rain jacket or a few square feet of polycryo.  If I had much additional stuff, or wanted/needed a lot of space for camp activity, I'd be thinking about it differently.
 
Best,
 
Bill


--- On Sun, 1/1/12, shari <sharihikes <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting, but I can't see how you'd keep your gear dry.  That little space under the wing seems awfully small.





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hikelite2000 | 2 Jan 05:18 2012
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Re: Help with a mini-tarp idea

 

Bill, another site is

http://www.backpacking-lite.co.uk/diy/make-an-ultralight-solo-micro-tarp.html

which shoes the dimensions if you make your own. It's the site I meant to post first and it was in the comments section of the other link.

hikelite

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> Bingo - that's just what I had in mind! Thanks a bunch!
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
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> --- On Sun, 1/1/12, hikelite2000 <hikelite2000 <at> ...> wrote:
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> > http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/gear-news/omerand39s-25-gramme-tarp/5278.html
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Segraves | 3 Jan 02:43 2012
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Re: Re: Ripstop mosquito mitts?

 

These will be non-waterproof for rest and sleeping time, so nowhere near the breathability requirements for cycling, e.g. (I'm also a cyclist and have similar problems with most cycling gloves.) I'll probably try the ripstop, but if that fails, I guess I can always use the same type of material as shirts and pants that are mosquito-proof.

Bill

--- On Sat, 12/31/11, JamesB <jdbuch123-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I have sweaty hands, and cannot wear any of the
> "Waterproof/Breathable" gloves for winter bicycling as those
> gloves become sweatboxes. Maybe you would find that Event
> fabric would make good mosquito protectors and still
> breathe.  But even the tightest woven thin nylon,
> unless too heavily calendared, would breathe better than
> Event, but it might take a very heavily calendared (and
> poorly breathable) thin nylon, to stop a mosquito
> proboscis.
>
> All my attempts to measure the diameter of a mosquito
> proboscis have failed.
>
> Jim
>
> --- In BackpackingLight-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org,
> Segraves <andrews9000 <at> ...> wrote:
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> > I'm going to try making some mosquito mitts. 
> Anyone know whether 1.1 oz ripstop is mosquito-proof enough
> to work when pressed against skin?  If not, other
> suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Bill

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