James D. Marco | 1 May 01:44 2010
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Re: Esbit stove/ pot combo...

 

Sean,
        Never used one.
Actually, it lists the weight as about 197gm or just about 7oz.
Fuel is not all that bad at ~13000btu...roughly the same as alcohol.
It is easier to handle, but requires cleanup. Aluminum is better than
titanium for heat conduction.  Not sure it would boil a full pot, but it is
easy to add another cube, or a half of one, if needed. Of course, like
most alcohol stoves, simmering is not a strong suite.
        Hope this helps...
                 jdm
At 12:41 PM 4/30/2010, you wrote:


Has anyone used the Esbit stove/ pot combo?  Aluminium, and nice and small, the box didn't say the weight... 
Thanks,
s
http://www.esbit.de/index.php?id=303
it's the set on the right...




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Cara Lin Bridgman | 1 May 09:08 2010
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Barefoot, Sandals, & Hiking, was Re: Re: Insoles

 

I can understand the sensitivity. When about 10 years old, I turned
down a chance to hike Taiwan's highest mountain because my dad said I
had to wear shoes. I wanted to wear my flip flops.

For my next hiking opportunity, 6 days trek around the Kathmandu Valley,
Nepal, when I was 14, I had to wear shoes, so I borrowed someone's
tennis shoes--I was still wearing flip flops all the time. My feet were
miserable: blisters and cold (that's when I discovered I had Reynauld's
Syndrome).

In college, I hiked down into the Grand Canyon and around various parts
of the Southwest in pain. That's when I learned that it didn't matter
which shoes or boots, but I was guaranteed quarter-sized blisters on my
heels within 2 km. Reynauld's syndrome continued to be a problem,
despite honking heavy hiking boots and TWO layers of socks (including
one of thick wool).

On my 25th birthday, when I hiked up into the snow-zone in Taiwan, I
finally accepted that my instincts when 10 years old were correct. On
the hike back towards the bus station, I threw my shoes into the first
garbage can I saw.

I've hiked in sandals ever since. Although I've seen quite a few people
wear flip flops when climbing Taiwan's highest mountain, I've stuck to
sandals because they're so much more compatible with the ragg wool socks
I need to keep my feet warm.

By the way, in many parks in Taiwan (city parks, tourist hot-spots)
there are special places for barefoot walking. This is because there is
a strong belief (e.g. reflexology) on the health value of walking
barefoot. In my neighborhood, a few of the retired soldiers do their
daily exercise walk in bare feet.

CL
who in her 5-day hike in January descended 500 m in elevation in bare
feet <http://megaview.com.tw/~caralin/hiking/Wushuang/Wushuang.html>.

Gordon wrote:
> http://barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/
> http://groups.google.com/group/huaraches
> http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningBarefoot
> http://therunningbarefoot.com/?page_id=525
> http://barefootted.com/
> http://www.stevenrobbinsmd.com/home
> http://chrismcdougall.com/blog/
>
> I'm sort of sensitive to this. Four years ago I was keeping a
pair of shoes next to my bed with orthotics in them for when I
had to pee in the middle of the night. I had plantar fasciitis
so bad I could hardly walk. And piriformis syndrome. And a "bad"
knee. And a "bad" back" Last week I ran more than ten miles at
one go bare foot on a rough, rocky trail. Talk about liberating.
My feet have never felt better. All of my other problems have
vanished. Don't drink the kool-aid without knowing what's in it.

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James D. Marco | 1 May 18:20 2010
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RE: jetboil v. giga stove

 

Jerry,
        Yeah, I looked long and hard at the Reactor. Just to blasted heavy,
a lot heavier than my whole cook set and fuel for three days for two people.
I looked around for some catalyst that would work with alcohol stoves, but
they did not look promising either.
        One thing I did think of, that I have not tested yet, was a catalyst and
alcohol added directly to the water. After the reaction, you just drink it. But,
I haven't found a suitable catalyst yet (non-toxic or some mineral you would
need anyway... Several available, but they will build up in your blood stream
to toxic levels...not real great for your liver/kidneys for more than a day or two.)
        Anyway, the Jetboil is a lot more conventional and a bit lighter as you
say.
        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
BTW: I am now on terminal leave for retirement...still a few meetings to go to
and that blasted dinner with the watch thing...I will opt out if possible.
 
 
At 03:47 PM 4/30/2010, you wrote:

I think you'll find a MSR Reactor is as fast, if not faster, and more
efficient, particularly with the large accessory pot.

I've not completed my testing yet but casual results seem pretty good. But
it is also a bit heavier.

Jerry

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 13:13
To: BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BackpackingLight] jetboil v. giga stove

Jack,
        Yes, as Ivan was saying, time is different from fuel when counting
efficiency.
On theoretical grounds, the Jetboil, as delivered and as per instructions,
is not
super good at anything. With the addition of a HiTemp insulator around the
pot,
it goes from OK to good. The heat exchanger adds 20+% efficiency to the
normal
fuel consumption, so it is pretty good with fuel.
        The tall pot was not well designed except from a commercial,
viewpoint.
It really wants to be wider and lower more towards increasing the size of
the
lower heat exchanger. Anyway, additional insulation up on the pot (away from

contact with flames) will let it get good efficiency. Another stock cozy
works well.
        But, the whole outfit starts weighing quite a bit. More than my
venerable
SVEA by several ounces. (SVEA: 15oz, empty...Jetboil: 19oz, no canister.)
Soo,
while I have used them on a few trips, I do not really recommend them. They
are good, and they work, OK. It isn't really fair to compare them with
different
fueled stoves.   
        I think of them as more of a gadget. Yes, for time, they boil water
MUCH
faster than my stove. Boil times are good. About 3:40 per liter as opposed
to
~10min for the SVEA.They are quick and nasty to set up.  They are pretty
good
on fuel.
        My thoughts only . . .
                jdm
At 11:25 AM 4/30/2010, you wrote:
>After hearing so many people talk about their jetboil stove/ pot set-up I
bought one to compare to  my snowpeak giga stove with iggy and wind screen,
my Evernew Titanium pot and fleece tea cozy (for rehydrating food). The
Jetboil is 3 ounces heavier but I am told that it is so efficient it more
than makes up for the weight in the reduced amount of fuel
needed...especially on longer trips.  I've seen people using these on the
trail and they didn't seem that much faster but I decided to try it in a
semi controlled setting.
>
>I boiled 2 cups of water in each stove/pot set-up and I was surprised that
my snowpeak was slightly more efficient.  The snowpeak took ~2.03 miniutes
to boil water and the jetboil took about ~2:10 minutes.  I repeated the
experiment a few times with the same results. 
>
>Now this ain't the most scientific study ever done and I'm sure conditions
vary with attitude, temp and wind but at the end of the day I'll stick with
my giga stove.What am I missing here?
>
> http://www.jetboil.com/
>
> http://www.snowpeak.com/back/stoves/ultralight.html
>
>I tried this experiment with the jetboil pot and the giga stove previously
and was equally unimpressed.
>
>Be well,
>Jack Young



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Re: jetboil v. giga stove

 

James,
 
Welcome to the group of those of us that 'don't work for anybody else'.
 
I used the reactor on a 6 night, 7 days, trip on Vancouver island west coast trail last may.
I only got it because I got it for 60 dollars at rei garage sale. (That's 100 dollars off)
2 of us used the stove a lot.
1 to 1.5 liters boiled at least 4 times a day.
I even used it to make hot lunch a few times, which I almost never do.
I didn't go through (2) 220 ml Snow Peak canisters.
I was impressed with the stove. (I may bring it when my wife and I do the Benton MacKaye trail.)
I can hardly feel any heat escaping from the stove when it's turned up full blast.
I haven't done any testing to see about the efficiency YET.
 
I can see an efficiency chart telling me how many days I would need to be out before the stove weight outbalanced the fuel usage of alcohol.
Am I right?
 
Ken
 

Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: [BackpackingLight] jetboil v. giga stove

Jerry,
        Yeah, I looked long and hard at the Reactor. Just to blasted heavy,
a lot heavier than my whole cook set and fuel for three days for two people.
I looked around for some catalyst that would work with alcohol stoves, but
they did not look promising either.
        One thing I did think of, that I have not tested yet, was a catalyst and
alcohol added directly to the water. After the reaction, you just drink it. But,
I haven't found a suitable catalyst yet (non-toxic or some mineral you would
need anyway... Several available, but they will build up in your blood stream
to toxic levels...not real great for your liver/kidneys for more than a day or two.)
        Anyway, the Jetboil is a lot more conventional and a bit lighter as you
say.
        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
BTW: I am now on terminal leave for retirement...still a few meetings to go to
and that blasted dinner with the watch thing...I will opt out if possible.
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James D. Marco | 1 May 20:14 2010
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Re: Reactor Stove (was: jetboil v. giga stove)

 

Thanks, Ken,
        I hadn't thought about it in quite those terms. I really 'don't work for
anybody else!'That is a GOOD thought. My daughter just delivered her first,
soo, I am also a grandpa.  I may end up as a gofer cum baby sitter....a crazy
week.
        Yes, you are certainly correct. That is good fuel use. 
        Efficiency in fuel weight is highly individual. Outside conditions
will effect it a lot. Soo, yes it makes sense to set up a chart of some sort,
Excel is pretty good at that, but anything that shows this will show your use
over the times you go. Now for the hard part. It takes a lot of trips out with
both types of stoves to make any real comparisons. Even then, it will not be
absolute...fuel variations alone will make it wander about 3-5%.
        I have done about 30 days for the past 30-35 years, soo, I know that
2-3 days (for two) is about break even under late spring, summer, early fall
conditions. Solo, I would almost always take the alcohol stove for two or
three nights out. If I am expecting temps down towards freezing, I will always
take the WG stove. Alcohol is lighter, but doesn't do so well above 4000' at
32F.  It burns about twice the fuel it does at 50F...not sure why...water temp,
cold air robbing heat from the pan...something like that. Most just do not fare
well...the Caldera cone may help with that...but, still, I cannot say....
        Anyway, I also bring my stove for backup water boiling if the water source
is very bad.  Silty, muddy water, wrung from a rag, things like that. I don't trust
chemicals...even AquaMira is only glorified hypoclorous acid (chlorine bleach)
in action. And, this is exactly when UV will fail. Muddy water and silt is a definite
no-no with filters...good way to plug them up. Boiled, you can drink the mud.
(Usually, it will drop to the bottom, soo, only the bottom half inch is tossed.)
Soo, a good stove is a necessary item. Or, some way to make a camp fire.
You MUST have enough water.
        Anyway, a chart of usage should be kept, even if it is only a mental one.
With canister stoves, I would suggest bringing an extra canister...just in case.
Not exactly the UL way, but on longer outings, safer. I visited two stores on
a paddle trip a few years back that did NOT have any alcohol. I did not have
the transportation needed to go to the next town to get some, soo, back to the
campfire. Both had Coleman gas, and propane, but no canisters, either. I was
willing to buy a canister stove at that point. I could get a table top burner that
would burn the propane tanks...I rejected that idea out of hand...
        Some people will get 7-14 days for break even. The heavier stoves and
canisters offset the weight of a LOT of fuel even though they are highly efficient.
If time is important to you, skip the alcohol stoves, the canisters burn a lot hotter.
Even though it means carrying a bit more weight. See if you can get Jerry to give
with some observations on his. He may have some insights on it's operation.
It sort'a depends on your use and your priorities. So, it pays to know about how
long you will be out, and, about how much fuel you need.
        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
At 01:07 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:


James,
 
Welcome to the group of those of us that 'don't work for anybody else'.
 
I used the reactor on a 6 night, 7 days, trip on Vancouver island west coast trail last may.
I only got it because I got it for 60 dollars at rei garage sale. (That's 100 dollars off)
2 of us used the stove a lot.
1 to 1.5 liters boiled at least 4 times a day.
I even used it to make hot lunch a few times, which I almost never do.
I didn't go through (2) 220 ml Snow Peak canisters.
I was impressed with the stove. (I may bring it when my wife and I do the Benton MacKaye trail.)
I can hardly feel any heat escaping from the stove when it's turned up full blast.
I haven't done any testing to see about the efficiency YET.
 
I can see an efficiency chart telling me how many days I would need to be out before the stove weight outbalanced the fuel usage of alcohol.
Am I right?
 
Ken
 

From: James D. Marco
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:20 PM
To: BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BackpackingLight] jetboil v. giga stove

Jerry,
        Yeah, I looked long and hard at the Reactor. Just to blasted heavy,
a lot heavier than my whole cook set and fuel for three days for two people.
I looked around for some catalyst that would work with alcohol stoves, but
they did not look promising either.
        One thing I did think of, that I have not tested yet, was a catalyst and
alcohol added directly to the water. After the reaction, you just drink it. But,
I haven't found a suitable catalyst yet (non-toxic or some mineral you would
need anyway... Several available, but they will build up in your blood stream
to toxic levels...not real great for your liver/kidneys for more than a day or two.)
        Anyway, the Jetboil is a lot more conventional and a bit lighter as you
say.
        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
BTW: I am now on terminal leave for retirement...still a few meetings to go to
and that blasted dinner with the watch thing...I will opt out if possible.

James Marco,
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Ithaca, NY 14850
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William Comer | 1 May 20:17 2010
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Re: jetboil v. giga stove

 

This is off topic BUT.... Jim go to the dinner and watch deal and enjoy yourself at it ! What the heck you don't have any evaluations left at this point so you can vent a little if you need but don't burn bridges. There are going to be folks you'll maybe not see again so enjoy their company one last time. Secondly , retirement is a shock to the system so keep that in mind. You are going to be surprised how much money it used to cost you to work per month. I was sort of in a tizzy for the first year but then we got the carpet pulled out from under us so it was a little different there. Enjoy the retirement and congratulations.


Pat Comer

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        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
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Jerry Goller | 1 May 20:59 2010

RE: jetboil v. giga stove

 

Don’t run it wide open. It will boil water just fine at its lowest setting and it is much more fuel efficient at that setting.

 

Jerry

 

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From: BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 11:08
To: BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BackpackingLight] jetboil v. giga stove

 




James,

 

Welcome to the group of those of us that 'don't work for anybody else'.

 

I used the reactor on a 6 night, 7 days, trip on Vancouver island west coast trail last may.

I only got it because I got it for 60 dollars at rei garage sale. (That's 100 dollars off)

2 of us used the stove a lot.

1 to 1.5 liters boiled at least 4 times a day.

I even used it to make hot lunch a few times, which I almost never do.

I didn't go through (2) 220 ml Snow Peak canisters.

I was impressed with the stove. (I may bring it when my wife and I do the Benton MacKaye trail.)

I can hardly feel any heat escaping from the stove when it's turned up full blast.

I haven't done any testing to see about the efficiency YET.

 

I can see an efficiency chart telling me how many days I would need to be out before the stove weight outbalanced the fuel usage of alcohol.

Am I right?

 

Ken

 

 

Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:20 PM

Subject: RE: [BackpackingLight] jetboil v. giga stove

 

Jerry,
        Yeah, I looked long and hard at the Reactor. Just to blasted heavy,
a lot heavier than my whole cook set and fuel for three days for two people.
I looked around for some catalyst that would work with alcohol stoves, but
they did not look promising either.
        One thing I did think of, that I have not tested yet, was a catalyst and
alcohol added directly to the water. After the reaction, you just drink it. But,
I haven't found a suitable catalyst yet (non-toxic or some mineral you would
need anyway... Several available, but they will build up in your blood stream
to toxic levels...not real great for your liver/kidneys for more than a day or two.)
        Anyway, the Jetboil is a lot more conventional and a bit lighter as you
say.
        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
BTW: I am now on terminal leave for retirement...still a few meetings to go to
and that blasted dinner with the watch thing...I will opt out if possible.




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RE: Reactor Stove (was: jetboil v. giga stove)

 

I retired at 40 and have enjoyed every minute of it. Like my wife says, I don’t know how I ever found the time for a job.

 

Jerry

 

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From: BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James D. Marco
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:14
To: BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BackpackingLight]Reactor Stove (was: jetboil v. giga stove)

 



Thanks, Ken,
        I hadn't thought about it in quite those terms. I really 'don't work for
anybody else!'That is a GOOD thought. My daughter just delivered her first,
soo, I am also a grandpa.  I may end up as a gofer cum baby sitter....a crazy
week.
        Yes, you are certainly correct. That is good fuel use. 
        Efficiency in fuel weight is highly individual. Outside conditions
will effect it a lot. Soo, yes it makes sense to set up a chart of some sort,
Excel is pretty good at that, but anything that shows this will show your use
over the times you go. Now for the hard part. It takes a lot of trips out with
both types of stoves to make any real comparisons. Even then, it will not be
absolute...fuel variations alone will make it wander about 3-5%.
        I have done about 30 days for the past 30-35 years, soo, I know that
2-3 days (for two) is about break even under late spring, summer, early fall
conditions. Solo, I would almost always take the alcohol stove for two or
three nights out. If I am expecting temps down towards freezing, I will always
take the WG stove. Alcohol is lighter, but doesn't do so well above 4000' at
32F.  It burns about twice the fuel it does at 50F...not sure why...water temp,
cold air robbing heat from the pan...something like that. Most just do not fare
well...the Caldera cone may help with that...but, still, I cannot say....
        Anyway, I also bring my stove for backup water boiling if the water source
is very bad.  Silty, muddy water, wrung from a rag, things like that. I don't trust
chemicals...even AquaMira is only glorified hypoclorous acid (chlorine bleach)
in action. And, this is exactly when UV will fail. Muddy water and silt is a definite
no-no with filters...good way to plug them up. Boiled, you can drink the mud.
(Usually, it will drop to the bottom, soo, only the bottom half inch is tossed.)
Soo, a good stove is a necessary item. Or, some way to make a camp fire.
You MUST have enough water.
        Anyway, a chart of usage should be kept, even if it is only a mental one.
With canister stoves, I would suggest bringing an extra canister...just in case.
Not exactly the UL way, but on longer outings, safer. I visited two stores on
a paddle trip a few years back that did NOT have any alcohol. I did not have
the transportation needed to go to the next town to get some, soo, back to the
campfire. Both had Coleman gas, and propane, but no canisters, either. I was
willing to buy a canister stove at that point. I could get a table top burner that
would burn the propane tanks...I rejected that idea out of hand...
        Some people will get 7-14 days for break even. The heavier stoves and
canisters offset the weight of a LOT of fuel even though they are highly efficient.
If time is important to you, skip the alcohol stoves, the canisters burn a lot hotter.
Even though it means carrying a bit more weight. See if you can get Jerry to give
with some observations on his. He may have some insights on it's operation.
It sort'a depends on your use and your priorities. So, it pays to know about how
long you will be out, and, about how much fuel you need.
        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
At 01:07 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:



James,
 
Welcome to the group of those of us that 'don't work for anybody else'.
 
I used the reactor on a 6 night, 7 days, trip on Vancouver island west coast trail last may.
I only got it because I got it for 60 dollars at rei garage sale. (That's 100 dollars off)
2 of us used the stove a lot.
1 to 1.5 liters boiled at least 4 times a day.
I even used it to make hot lunch a few times, which I almost never do.
I didn't go through (2) 220 ml Snow Peak canisters.
I was impressed with the stove. (I may bring it when my wife and I do the Benton MacKaye trail.)
I can hardly feel any heat escaping from the stove when it's turned up full blast.
I haven't done any testing to see about the efficiency YET.
 
I can see an efficiency chart telling me how many days I would need to be out before the stove weight outbalanced the fuel usage of alcohol.
Am I right?
 
Ken
 

From: James D. Marco
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:20 PM
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Subject: RE: [BackpackingLight] jetboil v. giga stove

Jerry,
        Yeah, I looked long and hard at the Reactor. Just to blasted heavy,
a lot heavier than my whole cook set and fuel for three days for two people.
I looked around for some catalyst that would work with alcohol stoves, but
they did not look promising either.
        One thing I did think of, that I have not tested yet, was a catalyst and
alcohol added directly to the water. After the reaction, you just drink it. But,
I haven't found a suitable catalyst yet (non-toxic or some mineral you would
need anyway... Several available, but they will build up in your blood stream
to toxic levels...not real great for your liver/kidneys for more than a day or two.)
        Anyway, the Jetboil is a lot more conventional and a bit lighter as you
say.
        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
BTW: I am now on terminal leave for retirement...still a few meetings to go to
and that blasted dinner with the watch thing...I will opt out if possible.

James Marco,
302 Mary Lane,
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-273-9132





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Jerry Goller | 1 May 21:07 2010

RE: jetboil v. giga stove

 

Interesting. Where did you get your numbers? What fuel setting were you at?
Is that just straight burn or were you actually heating water?

I've never heard efficiency put that way for a stove so I'm interested in
how you arrived at those figures.

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[mailto:BackpackingLight <at> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Moore
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On 4/30/2010 3:47 PM, Jerry Goller wrote:
> I think you'll find a MSR Reactor is as fast, if not faster, and more
> efficient, particularly with the large accessory pot.
>
> I've not completed my testing yet but casual results seem pretty good. But
> it is also a bit heavier.
>
> Jerry
Nope, Jetboil's efficiency is 100g/hr MSR Reactor is 125g/hr

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Re: jetboil v. giga stove

 

Pat,
        Thanks, Pat.  I have a lot of friends, but they are mostly part
of the work crew, as you say.  Shock? I am ecstatic! I always made
my own schedule and did what was needed. For the past two years
I have been training my replacement, soo, I think he can handle
things. Not the way I would...that's OK...his job, his way.
        At least I can devote myself to being 100% lazy these days.
        Thanks, Pat!
                 jdm
  
At 02:17 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:


This is off topic BUT.... Jim go to the dinner and watch deal and enjoy yourself at it ! What the heck you don't have any evaluations left at this point so you can vent a little if you need but don't burn bridges. There are going to be folks you'll maybe not see again so enjoy their company one last time. Secondly , retirement is a shock to the system so keep that in mind. You are going to be surprised how much money it used to cost you to work per month. I was sort of in a tizzy for the first year but then we got the carpet pulled out from under us so it was a little different there. Enjoy the retirement and congratulations.

Pat Comer

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:20 PM, James D. Marco <jdm27 <at> cornell.edu> wrote:
 


        My thoughts only . . .
                 jdm
BTW: I am now on terminal leave for retirement...still a few meetings to go to
and that blasted dinner with the watch thing...I will opt out if possible.
 
 



James Marco,
302 Mary Lane,
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-273-9132

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