Never encountered this issue, nor any issue with
storing dry tents in their stuff sacks. I store my
North Face, Mountain Hardware, and Walrus tents in
their stuff sacks all the time. And none of these
tents is less than 15 years old. I have never had a
problem storing them this way. then again, I take
extraordinary care of these tents. Until 5 years ago
when I had my first child, I spent at least 3 nights
(and usually more) a week in a tent, in all seasons,
for well over 20 years. These tents have never had an
issue with how they were stuffed. One tip, however,
never fold a tent. Stuff it. You typically fold
something over and over along the same lines which can
cause damage to the fabric and water repellent
treatment. It will also tent to tear along these
creases.

Sleeping bags are different. Always store them loose.
Never in stuff sacks. I tent to use over-sized
laundry bags to store my sleeping bags, over-sized
enough that the bags get a chance to loft.

Patrick Stoneking


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Never encountered this issue, nor any issue with
storing dry tents in their stuff sacks. I store my
North Face, Mountain Hardware, and Walrus tents in
their stuff sacks all the time. And none of these
tents is less than 15 years old. I have never had a
problem storing them this way. then again, I take
extraordinary care of these tents. Until 5 years ago
when I had my first child, I spent at least 3 nights
(and usually more) a week in a tent, in all seasons,
for well over 20 years. These tents have never had an
issue with how they were stuffed. One tip, however,
never fold a tent. Stuff it. You typically fold
something over and over along the same lines which can
cause damage to the fabric and water repellent
treatment. It will also tent to tear along these
creases.

Sleeping bags are different. Always store them loose.
Never in stuff sacks. I tent to use over-sized
laundry bags to store my sleeping bags, over-sized
enough that the bags get a chance to loft.

Patrick Stoneking


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Never encountered this issue, nor any issue with
storing dry tents in their stuff sacks. I store my
North Face, Mountain Hardware, and Walrus tents in
their stuff sacks all the time. And none of these
tents is less than 15 years old. I have never had a
problem storing them this way. then again, I take
extraordinary care of these tents. Until 5 years ago
when I had my first child, I spent at least 3 nights
(and usually more) a week in a tent, in all seasons,
for well over 20 years. These tents have never had an
issue with how they were stuffed. One tip, however,
never fold a tent. Stuff it. You typically fold
something over and over along the same lines which can
cause damage to the fabric and water repellent
treatment. It will also tent to tear along these
creases.

Sleeping bags are different. Always store them loose.
Never in stuff sacks. I tent to use over-sized
laundry bags to store my sleeping bags, over-sized
enough that the bags get a chance to loft.

Patrick Stoneking


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Actually MSR is back to telling folks to fold and roll tents as it is almost
impossible to fold on the same line each time and stuffing is harder on the
coating of the fabrics.

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Patrick Stoneking <stonepa_2000 <at> yahoo.com>
wrote:

> One tip, however,
> never fold a tent. Stuff it. You typically fold
> something over and over along the same lines which can
> cause damage to the fabric and water repellent
> treatment. It will also tent to tear along these
> creases.
>
>
> .
>
>
>

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Ron, I always just stuff my tent in the bag a different way each time. I
always hang it up for a couple of days then stuff in the bag without rolling
it up neatly. This way the folds are in deferent places each time. Never
had that problem in 30 years of backpacking. MSR will make good on it
though. Good luck, Kirk

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Hey folks, while the tent discussion is interesting and useful, the initial
question was about a silnylon fly.

Which is coated and often wet. it makes stickiness much more likely.

Ralph

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:46 AM, Kirk Wasson <kwasson1 <at> swbell.net> wrote:

> Ron, I always just stuff my tent in the bag a different way each time. I
> always hang it up for a couple of days then stuff in the bag without
> rolling
> it up neatly. This way the folds are in deferent places each time. Never
> had that problem in 30 years of backpacking. MSR will make good on it
> though. Good luck, Kirk
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Does anyone know if a wood stove is allowed on the JMT? I'm planning a
thru-hike next year and was curious if one could use one.
Thanks,
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Anybody out there use "Frogg Toggs?" I'm looking for a lightweight rain suit
that doesn't cost much. The web site of the company (froggtoggs.com) is
pretty weak on product descriptions. Their "DriDucks" rain suit and DriDucks
basic rain suit are interesting but I can't really tell what they are made
of or how well they would perform. They are remarkably inexpensive ($25 or
$15) and since you usually "get what you pay for" this makes me wonder.

I have used a cycling jacket made from a material called "O2" which is less
like a fabric, and more like a paper towel with an attitude. It really is
waterproof and breathable though, and very light and compact. It just wears
out quickly and I found the seams to be irritating against bare skin. I
wonder if the Frogg Toggs are like that?

My hiking and packing is mostly in the Rockies. Typically we don't get
multi-day downpours but afternoon showers are common. I've also spent the
better part of a day hiking in the rain, and would like to stay dry. I just
would prefer not to spend a couple of hundred dollars right now on rain
gear.

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Tom Arnold
Golden, CO

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Tom
I use the Frogg Toggs they are madefrom Tyvek which was originally designed as a water barrier home wrap that is used in the construction of a house and placed over the frame where siding will go next. I have bought hte Classic Pro Action $30-45 for a suit.
I heard many bad stories about hte dry ducks from Scout leaders and the dry ducks do look like a flimsier fabric that the Classics and the Bull Froggs look really tough and stiff.
I might buy the dry-ducks to stash in the glove box for emergencies -- maybe.
I have used the Classic (khaki) around town in the rain and like it better than most rain jackets but I have not exercised in it nor thrown a backpack over it yet.
For what its worth?
Sam

Tom Arnold <arnold.tom <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Anybody out there use "Frogg Toggs?" I'm looking for a lightweight rain suit
that doesn't cost much. The web site of the company (froggtoggs.com) is
pretty weak on product descriptions. Their "DriDucks" rain suit and DriDucks
basic rain suit are interesting but I can't really tell what they are made
of or how well they would perform.

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I have a set of Frogg Toggs. I carry the jacket most of the time.
Pros: Lightweight, inexpensive, water and windproof.
Cons: Even though it's breathable, if I'm burning calories, I sweat.
More than the material can handle. Of course, I have that problem
with anything I wear.
I also split the crotch seam on the pants. Didn't have them pulled up
high enough and climbed over a log. I still wear them.
Art

On Apr 1, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Tom Arnold wrote:

> Anybody out there use "Frogg Toggs?" I'm looking for a lightweight
> rain suit

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