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Marta Clark | 1 Sep 2005 02:11
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Re: hurricane katrina

I noticed a while ago that the sources I order camping meals from also serve the survivalist community.  I've
got a nice shelful of #10 cans of Mountain House food...

Marta

Kevin Keeble <skeeble@...> wrote:
slowhike.....you are soooo right.

I believe most of us on this list would survive quite nicely despite the 
adversity.....and would not feel the need to bash a storefront window in 
search of our next meal.

Steve
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slowhike | 1 Sep 2005 02:30
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hurricane katrina

  steve... my thoughts too. even though there`s no way they will have 
all the same stuff we`d use (filter,thermarest,headlamp,etc) i 
understand enough about meeting the basic needs that i could emprovise 
w/ what i find around me. for instance;i know the importance of having 
a place to sleep where the water won`t seep in around me, & finding 
something to sleep on that will provide insulation & padding. then i`d 
have a much better chance of getting the rest i so despertly need. but 
i`ve not made my own alcohol stove, so i`d just have to experiment or 
use a simple open can, which of course wouldn`t be as good but i think 
it would work. of course i`d have to find fule, but chances are that 
could be done. it just may not be the ideal fule. anyway, the thought 
is that though some will figure things out & get by fine, others could 
greatly benifit from the very things we talk about all the time.  i 
hope there will be those who will be able to go in w/ this kind of 
information.  ...slowhike  

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Ivan Hazelton | 1 Sep 2005 02:40
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Re: Aluminum Thermal Spraying

Shamelessly stolen form some website somewhere. 
<http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/periodic/Al.html>

"Aluminum was discovered by Hans Christian Oersted, Denmark, 1825 
(impure form); most credit Wohler with isolating it in 1827. Actually 
the ancient Greeks and Romans used alum (aluminum sulfate with 
potassium) in medicine and in dying. de Morveau recognized the base in 
alum in1761 and proposed it be called alumine. Lavoisier thought that 
alum was an oxide of this undiscovered metal. In 1807 Davy proposed the 
name alumium for this undiscovered metal, but it wasn't until 1827 that 
Wohler actually isolated aluminum, though an impure form was isolated by 
Oersted two years earlier. The new metal was called aluminum. Two years 
later it was changed to aluminium to conform with the "ium" in most 
other elements. American Chemical Society changed the spelling back to 
aluminum in 1925, which we still use. England and elsewhere in the world 
they still spell it aluminium. So if you hear someone say 
"al-u-min'-i-um foil" instead of aluminum foil, you'll know where it 
came from."

Shamelessly stolen from another website
<http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=aluminum>

"Why do Americans spell this word differently than other people do?

Because we do what chemists tell us.

In 1807 Sir Humphry Davy discovered aluminum, and named it with only one 
"i". The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry soon decided 
to add the extra "i", to parallel the endings of sodium, potassium and 
other element names. The two-"i" spelling (aluminium) was the standard
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hikelite2000 | 1 Sep 2005 03:28
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Re: hurricane katrina

Dale Matthews, the owner of The Backpacker in Baton Rouge is doing just that. He is 
working with equipment manufacturers to get gear to the area.

"We have had many calls today for items for the shelters that are now
setting up here. We have made it our goal, here at The Backpacker, to
work with our manufacturers to get whatever we can to help out these
families.  This morning, I have personally spoken with many reps
and companies to sollicit their aid.

Specifically, we have one church now asking for 400-500 sleeping pads.
We have also had requests for Nalgene bottles, flashlights, water filters
and freeze dried foods in large quantities.   If any of you know (or have
any
contacts) with any sources we can "tap" for any of these items, please
don't hesitate to call me or email me at :
Dale Mathews
The Backpacker     dale@...
7656 Jefferson Hwy.
Baton Rouge, Louisiana   70809
225-925-2667  ( M-F 10am - 5pm CST)"

--- In BackpackingLight@..., "slowhike" <slowhike <at> y...> wrote:
>   concerning those who are suffering this great disaster; it sure 
> would be nice if the right people could pass along the tryed & true 
> methods of how to survive w/ very little stuff & a few of the right 
> supplys from the backpacking community. those people are going to be 
> w/o electricty & running water for a long time. i can just immagin how 
> helpful (& inexpensive) it could be to have a few things like alcohol 
> stoves, etc, & a little basic information on how to "make do" w/ less. 
> any thoughs?  thanks...slowhike
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James R Bennett | 1 Sep 2005 03:39
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Re: hurricane katrina

well, according to the Pentagon, I may have a chance to go down there.  
global politics aside, that is EXACTLY why I joined the National Guard.
 -han 

hikelite2000 writes: 

> Dale Matthews, the owner of The Backpacker in Baton Rouge is doing just that. He is 
> working with equipment manufacturers to get gear to the area. 
> 
> "We have had many calls today for items for the shelters that are now
> setting up here. We have made it our goal, here at The Backpacker, to
> work with our manufacturers to get whatever we can to help out these
> families.  This morning, I have personally spoken with many reps
> and companies to sollicit their aid. 
> 
> Specifically, we have one church now asking for 400-500 sleeping pads.
> We have also had requests for Nalgene bottles, flashlights, water filters
> and freeze dried foods in large quantities.   If any of you know (or have
> any
> contacts) with any sources we can "tap" for any of these items, please
> don't hesitate to call me or email me at :
> Dale Mathews
> The Backpacker     dale@...
> 7656 Jefferson Hwy.
> Baton Rouge, Louisiana   70809
> 225-925-2667  ( M-F 10am - 5pm CST)" 
> 
> --- In BackpackingLight@..., "slowhike" <slowhike <at> y...> wrote:
>>   concerning those who are suffering this great disaster; it sure 
>> would be nice if the right people could pass along the tryed & true
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John P Smith | 1 Sep 2005 04:16

hurricane katrina and a math game

Folks let's think this through . . . 

500,000 people stranded

3 ounces minimum of fuel a day to cook with per person

4 weeks minimum for a group of this size

500,000 times 3 times 28 = 328,125 gallons of alcohol.  

Hmmm . . . . this problem might be a little bigger than we realized.

john the crazy alaskan

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Kevin Keeble | 1 Sep 2005 04:25
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Re: hurricane katrina and a math game

With the hot weather, it won't take long for famine and disease to set in. 
Anybody else notice that all that water is stagnant with no flow at all? Add 
to this the fact that all those people are urinating and deficating in the 
water that they are wading in!!! Hate to say it....but things will probably 
get worse before they get better.

Steve

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> Hmmm . . . . this problem might be a little bigger than we realized.
>
> john the crazy alaskan
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Jeffrey Zimmerman | 1 Sep 2005 04:35
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Katrina

Thank you, James.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:25:55 -0700, <BackpackingLight@...>  
wrote:

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>    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:39:22 -0400
>    From: "James R Bennett" <benne129@...>
> Subject: Re: hurricane katrina
> well, according to the Pentagon, I may have a chance to go down there.
> global politics aside, that is EXACTLY why I joined the National Guard.
>  -han
> hikelite2000 writes:
>
>> Dale Matthews, the owner of The Backpacker in Baton Rouge is doing just  
>> that. He is
>> working with equipment manufacturers to get gear to the area.

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The Left Coast

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slowhike | 1 Sep 2005 04:37
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hurricane katrina

   hikelite2000 ...thanks. that`s good to know. i hope manufactures & 
others will help supply the needs. i have just a few things i may be 
able to send down by a church group that`s filling a tractor & tralier 
w/ bottled water. dale`s full email address wasn`t on your email, but 
his phone # was.  i guess the phone lines are working there?  
thanks...slowhike 

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jwj32542 | 1 Sep 2005 04:48
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Re: hurricane katrina

I imagine a lot of the folks could learn something from the homeless 
at this point!  

Seems like the armed gangs are a more immediate threat to a lot of 
them, though.  Hopefully, the NG and police will be able to get people 
dispersed to the various evacuation shelters quickly enough to restore 
some semblance of order.

As long as we were physically safe, I think I could take care of 
myself and my family, just like you said most backpackers could.  I 
would pack up and start walking immediately...find a way to get out of 
reach of the armed gangs and hang my hammocks above the floods!  But I 
gotta say...if I had to choose between feeding my kids and busting a 
window, that window's gonna go.  At that point, it's not looting, it's 
survival.  Though I think the cops are more concerned with the looters 
taking non-survival items at this point.  I haven't seen any cops 
making people drop food and water on TV.

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