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Marcel Kuemmet | 4 Oct 2010 22:49
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Shelter, Individual, Suspended

  I worked on this design years ago.  I just checking around to see if 
there would be any or much interest in a product like this.  I own the 
design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st 
Ranger Bn.
This is designed for one soldier.  As the majority of body heat is lost 
to the earthimage

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, this ready made “Hooch” will provide a warm place for the soldier to 
rest.

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EHamilton | 5 Oct 2010 03:11
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Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

I kind of like it! Attached roof/rainfly.... no separate tying or staking. What 
about skeeters?

MacGyver

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From: Marcel Kuemmet <kuemmet@...>
To: hammockcamping@...
Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 4:49:18 PM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Shelter, Individual, Suspended

  
I worked on this design years ago. I just checking around to see if 
there would be any or much interest in a product like this. I own the 
design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st 
Ranger Bn.
This is designed for one soldier. As the majority of body heat is lost 
to the earthimage 
<http://lh3.ggpht.com/_xXGbVuJlSk8/TKldXers0pI/AAAAAAAAEBE/xWxvRzXik5c/s1600-h/image%5B15%5D.png>

, this ready made “Hooch” will provide a warm place for the soldier to 
rest.

image 
<http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xXGbVuJlSk8/TKldf1t0s8I/AAAAAAAAEBM/NKUeSMBUd3Q/s1600-h/image%5B20%5D.png>

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Michael Lindroos | 5 Oct 2010 04:54
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Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

What do you think the weight would be?  How about pack size?  

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From: Marcel Kuemmet <kuemmet@...>
To: hammockcamping@...
Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 3:49:18 PM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Shelter, Individual, Suspended

  
I worked on this design years ago.  I just checking around to see if 
there would be any or much interest in a product like this.  I own the 
design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st 
Ranger Bn.
This is designed for one soldier.  As the majority of body heat is lost 
to the earthimage 
<http://lh3.ggpht.com/_xXGbVuJlSk8/TKldXers0pI/AAAAAAAAEBE/xWxvRzXik5c/s1600-h/image%5B15%5D.png>

, this ready made “Hooch” will provide a warm place for the soldier to 
rest.

image 
<http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xXGbVuJlSk8/TKldf1t0s8I/AAAAAAAAEBM/NKUeSMBUd3Q/s1600-h/image%5B20%5D.png>

image 
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sharpstik | 5 Oct 2010 12:04

Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

 There was a commercial version a few years back, can't recall the name right now. It's probably in the
archives here. Some of us thought it was a photoshopped hoax. If it does work, it would require heavy duty
straps and massive trees. The forces involved with a catenary stretched out (almost) straight are
tremendous. The pack weight would have to be pretty heavy.
Bill Keiser

>   I worked on this design years ago.  I just checking around to see if 
> there would be any or much interest in a product like this.  I own the 
> design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st 
> Ranger Bn.
> This is designed for one soldier.  As the majority of body heat is lost 
> to the earthimage 
>
<http://lh3.ggpht.com/_xXGbVuJlSk8/TKldXers0pI/AAAAAAAAEBE/xWxvRzXik5c/s1600-h/image%5B15%5D.png> 
> , this ready made “Hooch” will provide a warm place for the soldier to 
> rest.
> . . . 

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Dennis | 5 Oct 2010 14:50
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Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

Advantages:

    * Easily used as a ground tent if not trees available.
    * More "stable" than a two-point support hammock, especially in high
winds.
    * More storage space.
    * Tarp not needed (if door flap seals well).
    * If wide enough, two might be able to share it.

Disadvantages:

    * Requires very large trees, or multiple trees at each end.
    * Upper suspension ropes will creep down tree unless held in place
with screw or nail.
    * No mosquito protection when flap is open.
    * Large number of straps may offset any weight advantage of missing
tarp.
    * Straps would have to be pulled very tightly to keep things level
(hence large trees).
    * With no tarp, the material will have to be very water resistant and
drain well. Any water "pooling" would find its way in.
It has possibilities, but would need some serious field testing.

Dennis "K1" Blanchard

Author of: Three Hundred Zeroes: <http://tinyurl.com/2f74mdt>  Lessons
of the Heart on the Appalachian Trail

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Mark Bayern | 5 Oct 2010 16:41
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>>"* More "stable" than a two-point support hammock, especially in high
winds.

More "stable" must mean more likely to flip than an properly hung two-point
hammock.

>>"Upper suspension ropes will creep down tree unless held in place
with screw or nail.

This seems like it should a show stopper for most hammock hangers. One big
advantage of hanging is the reduced damage to the campsite. Nails or screws
negate that advantage.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Dennis <k1ypp@...> wrote:

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>
> Advantages:
>
> * Easily used as a ground tent if not trees available.
> * More "stable" than a two-point support hammock, especially in high
> winds.
> * More storage space.
> * Tarp not needed (if door flap seals well).
> * If wide enough, two might be able to share it.
>
> Disadvantages:
>
> * Requires very large trees, or multiple trees at each end.
> * Upper suspension ropes will creep down tree unless held in place
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punky | 5 Oct 2010 17:15
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Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

What are you insulating it with to keep the sleeper from losing heat to the air? What if it rains? How does it
work in a strong wind?

--- In hammockcamping@..., Marcel Kuemmet <kuemmet <at> ...> wrote:
>
>   I worked on this design years ago.  I just checking around to see if 
> there would be any or much interest in a product like this.  I own the 
> design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st 
> Ranger Bn.

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HAROLD STEELE | 5 Oct 2010 15:54

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Actually this isn't a new idea.

Check out the site for the Clark Jungle Hammocks.

http://www.junglehammock.com

Harold Steele

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From: Dennis <k1ypp@...>
To: hammockcamping@...
Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 7:50:04 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

  
Advantages:

* Easily used as a ground tent if not trees available.
* More "stable" than a two-point support hammock, especially in high
winds.
* More storage space.
* Tarp not needed (if door flap seals well).
* If wide enough, two might be able to share it.

Disadvantages:

* Requires very large trees, or multiple trees at each end.
* Upper suspension ropes will creep down tree unless held in place
with screw or nail.
* No mosquito protection when flap is open.
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Cara Lin Bridgman | 6 Oct 2010 06:09
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Re: Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

Looking at the website 
<http://adventuretechnologies.blogspot.com/2010/10/shelter-individual-suspended.html> 
and the original announcement, I see a real problem with this statement: 
"As the majority of body heat is lost to the earth, this ready made 
“Houch” will provide a warm place for the soldier to rest."

Anyone who has spent any time in a hammock knows that we lose body heat 
faster to convection from air than to the ground.  This is why there is 
so much discussion in all the hammock forums and groups about ways to 
keep warm when hanging: underquilts, mats, mylar, down-filled hammocks, 
etc. etc.  Although many hammock shelters can be lighter and are 
certainly more comfortable than most tents, it is when the temperatures 
start to drop and the winds start to pick up that hammock pack weight 
starts to increase.

CL

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Marcel Kuemmet | 6 Oct 2010 06:33
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Re: Re: Shelter, Individual, Suspended

  Hey all, thanks for all the input.
I still don't know what to do.   No money.

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