pure mahem | 1 Mar 12:43 2008
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Re: State Park Hanging Rules

I got the point of the snails! Guess I'm glad I don't have to worry about that up here in the North Woods, all we
got is some common moss, less bugs, more trees than you can shake a stick at, no snakes, and beautiful
mountains! This will always be my home. I think it's important to take into consideration that not
everyone can understand local regional concerns as not everyone lives in that area. Up here the eye hook or
sawing action of ropes on the trees would be the only reason you wouldn't be allowed to hang a hammock.
Nobody said anything about no endangered snails in the origninal post. And as it has been mentioned a lot
about no hanging in Florida I don't recall anyone posting about no snails until they just pointed it out
recently. So I was just trying to help with  a suggestion not
  knowing about the snails. Take a chill pill!

----- Original Message ----
From: Dar <rigpilot@...>
To: hammockcamping@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:18:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

Did you miss the point that they are not protecting just trees?

Moss, snails, ground cover, flora, fauna, insects, animals, and various
environmental elements need protection.

Also, don't forget that most hangers/campers/ packers do not use their
equipment properly. As well, many feel entitled if they see others
doing what they want to do.

Why further burden overworked and underpaid Park personnel?

--- tim garner <slowhike <at> yahoo. com> wrote:

[snip]
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pure mahem | 1 Mar 12:47 2008
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Re: State Park Hanging Rules

They should be able to tell the same way most hammockers can tell. Are you using tree huggers or a wide
protective strap to hang from the tree? That would be my biggest clue. Suggest a possible rule of hanging
only allowed with use of tree hugging protective straps, no ropes or eye hooks or damaging hanging device
allowed. That's how I would define the rule. As long as it didn't include snails.

----- Original Message ----
From: "list@..." <list@...>
To: hammockcamping@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:57:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

> REPLY... i wasn't referring to the protection of the snails... i
> understand the need there. i was referring to park management in other
> areas learning about the growing art of hammocking & separating the issues
> of irresponsible campers that abuse trees from those who are using the
> trees in a responsible way.

How do park staff quickly distinguish between the responsible hammock
users and everyone else? How do they tell "everyone else" that you are
special and just because they see other people hanging stuff off trees
with the approval of park staff doesn't mean they can do it too.

Moz
In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
(Terry Pratchett)

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Dave Womble | 1 Mar 14:41 2008
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Re: State Park Hanging Rules

State parks, campgrounds, and other areas that get heavily used are
different from wilderness areas where it isn't likely that the trees
will see hammocks on a regular basis.  There are sometimes issues with
moss or snails or whatever.  Some trees you may not want to hang from
because the tree or its bark is just fragile in nature.  

Then there is how much force you are putting on the hammock suspension
lines, that will also influence how much that force needs to be spread
out.  Occupants weight and how the hammock is hung greatly influence
the amount of force on the hammock suspension lines.  There is a lot
of difference in a 100 pounds in a hammock with the suspension lines
at a 30 degree sag angle versus 250 pounds in a hammock with the
suspension lines at a 15 degree sag angle...  roughly 100 pounds per
suspension line versus 500 pounds.

--- In hammockcamping@..., pure mahem <pure_mahem <at> ...> wrote:
>
> They should be able to tell the same way most hammockers can tell.
Are you using tree huggers or a wide protective strap to hang from the
tree? That would be my biggest clue. Suggest a possible rule of
hanging only allowed with use of tree hugging protective straps, no
ropes or eye hooks or damaging hanging device allowed. That's how I
would define the rule. As long as it didn't include snails.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "list <at> ..." <list <at> ...>
> To: hammockcamping@...
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:57:51 PM
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Moz | 2 Mar 00:36 2008
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Re: State Park Hanging Rules

Moz:
> How do they tell "everyone else" that you are special and just
> because they see other people hanging stuff off trees with the
> approval of park staff doesn't mean they can do it too.

pure mahem top posted:
> They should be able to tell the same way most hammockers can tell.

The part you avoided is the key part. How do park staff tell everyone
else that you're special?

Moz

In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
(Terry Pratchett)

 
pure mahem | 2 Mar 02:11 2008
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Re: State Park Hanging Rules


Post it in the rules like everything else! Not special! Using a specified tree hugger device to hang!
Already said this stuff. No ropes! No lag screws or items that damage trees. State the use of an Adequate
size strap must be used to secure your hamock in a nondamaging way. Shown on one of the wonderful signs with
pictures or illustrations they love to plunk down every where, Not that hard realy. If they can post No
Hanging then they can post the correct way to hang. Seriously they put one of those Zebra mollusk and water
parasite signs at every water launch, not much difference. Most of the parks do make money off people
camping there. From what I've seen people that hammock using tree huggers usually leave no trace wouldn't
you want those type of people in your park. Granted there are e
 xceptions. Like everything else if your doing it wrong they will find you! Same as they would find you if you
were hanging in a no hanging zone period. Honestly these
 people are educated about the law they are not blooming idiots. If some one shows them what a tree hugger
looks like you can spot if someone is using them or not long before you would even get to the hang site. Which
they would be coming up on anyway to see if your doing any illegal burning, or site modification. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Moz <list@...>
To: pure mahem <hammockcamping@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 6:36:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

Moz:
> How do they tell "everyone else" that you are special and just
> because they see other people hanging stuff off trees with the
> approval of park staff doesn't mean they can do it too.

pure mahem top posted:
> They should be able to tell the same way most hammockers can tell.

The part you avoided is the key part. How do park staff tell everyone
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tim garner | 2 Mar 03:59 2008
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Re: State Park Hanging Rules

well said... & we are special by the way<G>.

pure mahem <pure_mahem@...> wrote:  
Post it in the rules like everything else! Not special! Using a specified tree hugger device to hang!
Already said this stuff. No ropes! No lag screws or items that damage trees. State the use of an Adequate
size strap must be used to secure your hamock in a nondamaging way. Shown on one of the wonderful signs with
pictures or illustrations they love to plunk down every where, Not that hard realy. If they can post No
Hanging then they can post the correct way to hang. Seriously they put one of those Zebra mollusk and water
parasite signs at every water launch, not much difference. Most of the parks do make money off people
camping there. From what I've seen people that hammock using tree huggers usually leave no trace wouldn't
you want those type of people in your park. Granted there are e
 xceptions. Like everything else if your doing it wrong they will find you! Same as they would find you if you
were hanging in a no hanging zone period. Honestly these
people are educated about the law they are not blooming idiots. If some one shows them what a tree hugger
looks like you can spot if someone is using them or not long before you would even get to the hang site. Which
they would be coming up on anyway to see if your doing any illegal burning, or site modification. 

----- Original Message ----
From: Moz 

To: pure mahem 
Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 6:36:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

Moz:
> How do they tell "everyone else" that you are special and just
> because they see other people hanging stuff off trees with the
> approval of park staff doesn't mean they can do it too.

pure mahem top posted:
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David Fox | 2 Mar 07:31 2008
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RE: State Park Hanging Rules

Tell everyone else to go over and look at their setup?

From: hammockcamping@... [mailto:hammockcamping@...]
On Behalf Of Moz
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:36 PM
To: pure mahem
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

Moz:
> How do they tell "everyone else" that you are special and just
> because they see other people hanging stuff off trees with the
> approval of park staff doesn't mean they can do it too.

pure mahem top posted:
> They should be able to tell the same way most hammockers can tell.

The part you avoided is the key part. How do park staff tell everyone
else that you're special?

Moz

In the beginning there was nothing. Which exploded.
(Terry Pratchett)

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Carey Parks | 2 Mar 15:10 2008

RE: State Park Hanging Rules

Ah, one big assumption here - that there will be staff present when the "set
up" is set up. Staffing is and will be a problem, people still hang things
with the "no hanging" rules. Even tho the ranger specifically pointed that
rule out when we signed in and circiled it on the paper. We still saw other
people hang stuff.

C

  -----Original Message-----
  From: hammockcamping@...
[mailto:hammockcamping@...]On Behalf Of David Fox
  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:32 AM
  To: hammockcamping@...
  Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

  Tell everyone else to go over and look at their setup?

  From: hammockcamping@...
[mailto:hammockcamping@...]
  On Behalf Of Moz
  Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:36 PM
  To: pure mahem
  Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

  Moz:
  > How do they tell "everyone else" that you are special and just
  > because they see other people hanging stuff off trees with the
  > approval of park staff doesn't mean they can do it too.

  pure mahem top posted:
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pure mahem | 2 Mar 16:05 2008
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Re: State Park Hanging Rules

I can only speak for my own experiences. Although we don't have the no hang rules up hear, we do have the leave
no trace rules which the rangers remind us of. If I am out in the back country I don't usually see anyone. But 9
out of 10 times when I am at a public site the ranger will come around and check your site. If your doing
something wrong they will leave a calling card on your tent door zipper or where you will definately see it
for you to meet with them at the check in point to discuss the issue. They have no quams about telling you if
you are doing something wrong and it can be as simple as moving a rock to build up the already existing fire
ring, the fire ring is adequate please do not disturb the terrain, thank you. They are always polite about
it but they are there and they want
  you to know that they do have rules and they want them followed. Just my experience. Yours may be different.
They have never had any issue with me using a tree to hang
 my hammock and have even pointed out a time or too good to see your using the protective straps to keep from
harming the tree. They probably have told people using ropes to take them down if it appeared it was doing
anyharm or might do harm to the tree.

----- Original Message ----
From: Carey Parks <Carey@...>
To: hammockcamping@...
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 9:10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] State Park Hanging Rules

Ah, one big assumption here - that there will be staff present when the "set
up" is set up. Staffing is and will be a problem, people still hang things
with the "no hanging" rules. Even tho the ranger specifically pointed that
rule out when we signed in and circiled it on the paper. We still saw other
people hang stuff.

C

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From: hammockcamping <at>  yahoogroups. com
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