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tim garner | 1 Oct 2006 04:06
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Re: Using the photo gallery

that`s helpful. i hadn`t seen that.  thanks    ...tim

Jeff <jwj32542@...> wrote: Just a note on Yahoo's new photo gallery...

When you open the gallery by clicking on the "Photos" link, you get 
the thumbnail view.  Then you only get 16 albums and have to scroll 
all the way through to the ones you want.

But at the top left, just above where the thumbnails are, there's a 
link named "List" that really helps.  Click on that and you see a list 
of the albums, and you can organize it by "Last Modified" for the 
albums with the most recently added pics.  For example, right now 
slowhike's shows up at the top and I didn't have to scroll through 
16/page all the way to "S" to see them.

Just thought I'd pass it along in case other hadn't noticed...it took 
me a while to figure that one out, too.

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Rat | 1 Oct 2006 04:21
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Re: light weight hammock failure

Hey tim, was that the herad end or the foot end? Or do you use yours 
for either, ir, no designated head or foot end? That is an interesting 
tear. It looks like it may have started in the center and ripped 
towards the sides (no tear in that one hem). Do you think it was 
because of the weight or could you find a possible fault in the 
fabric? 

I busted one not long ago. I was sitting in it putting the broadheds 
on my arrows and I dropped one of the blades. When I reached for it, 
kinda under my butt/leg area, I must have pushed the tip through the 
fabric and instantly it ripped from end to end and put me on the 
ground. I guess my point is, a very small hole can lead to 
catastrophic failure in Nylon pretty quick. Could that have been a 
possibility? 

Glad you weren't hurt, that hardwood floor looks, well, hard.

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tim garner | 1 Oct 2006 04:21
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Re: Re: light weight hammock failure

 i couldn`t help but LOL about the good laugh you guys had in surgery<G>
but i understand (& have to agree)  about it not being worth saving a few ozs on the fabric weight. after all, i
dought the differance in weight would`nt be much.
 i had another fall a while back (i belive it was the webbing that broke) onto the hardwood floor...& it wasn`t
a slow drop like last night. 
    i belive i must have broke something in my elbow too.  it was months before it got better. 
 yep, i`ll be using a stronger fabric for the next one.   ...tim

Jeff Ross <jlross_tijeras@...> wrote: I had a hammock "fail" on
me once. It was the rope actually. I had 
it pitched between two posts on a concrete patio. I was laying in it 
just enjoying life. 2 milliseconds later I was flat on my back on 
the concrete with agony blasting thru my elbows. One elbow wouldn't 
quit hurting even months later. Finally I went to a doctor and got 
it X-rayed. I had broken the tip of the elbow bone off, and it was 
just floating around in there. It took minor surgery to remove it. 
The doc had a sense of humor tho. While I was laying on the 
operating table in a drugged stupor, he showed me the peice of bone 
(about like a gristle covered Life Saver without the hole in it) and 
asked me if I wanted it for anything. The anesthetic they had me on 
made everything funny. We all had a good laugh.

So I am real wary of flimsy ropes, puny trees, weak knots, and worn 
out or wimpy hammocks now. I would rather carry an extra pound or 
two of weight than have my bed collapse under me out in the 
boondocks. .. .
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Coy | 1 Oct 2006 04:45
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Re: light weight hammock failure

and such a purdy green hammock.  glad it let you down easy...

I have long suspected that the knot/hammock interface is where my blue 
hammock let me down.  I guess this area gets a lot of stress.  Maybe 
whipping will solve this in your next hammock.  I havent whipped one 
yet.  My last hammock seems to be holding up well but I'll keep an eye 
on it. 

Coy Boy

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>  oh yeah... i put a couple photos of the torn hammock under slowhike/
> hammock failure
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tim garner | 1 Oct 2006 05:08
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Re: Re: light weight hammock failure

it was the end most often used as the foot, but i was using it as the head last night.  i used it both ways at times. 
   i dont know what to make of the tear.  i added one more photo that shows an odd, angled pulling of the treads. 
  i had noticed a weak spot or two in the side areas last week.  i figured that`s were it would go. 
  the best i can tell, it was from the stress were the fabric was bunched up tight & comming out of the knot. 
   mabey there was a little more pivioting going on right there too.... i like to swing.
 hey rat... (& anyone else interrested of course), i also put a couple photos in the hot springs album that
michele took of my set-up.  a few weeks ago i was trying to explain an idea about covers that protect the ends
of the hammock from blowing rain, but wasn`t doing to good a job of explaining it. 
   what you see in the photos were just the 1st attempt. more later on the improved version.    ...tim

Rat <hogn8r2004@...> wrote: Hey tim, was that the herad end or
the foot end? Or do you use yours 
for either, ir, no designated head or foot end? That is an interesting 
tear. It looks like it may have started in the center and ripped 
towards the sides (no tear in that one hem). Do you think it was 
because of the weight or could you find a possible fault in the 
fabric? 

I busted one not long ago. I was sitting in it putting the broadheds 
on my arrows and I dropped one of the blades. When I reached for it, 
kinda under my butt/leg area, I must have pushed the tip through the 
fabric and instantly it ripped from end to end and put me on the 
ground. I guess my point is, a very small hole can lead to 
catastrophic failure in Nylon pretty quick. Could that have been a 
possibility? 

Glad you weren't hurt, that hardwood floor looks, well, hard.

Rat
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chcoa | 1 Oct 2006 08:36
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Re: Tarp Tent

On that note would Youngblood be willing to sell a few of these to 
interested tree hangers.  I have tried a simular set up to this and 
it worked great.  I don't have any sewing skills however and this 
type of thing is not on the market to my knowledge.

How about it sir????

jamie in az

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> Has anybody tried duplicating the tarp tent that Youngblood has in 
his
> photo section? Labeled Catenary Tarps/130 x 120 inch tarp. 
> 
> I think it is actually 130 x 126.
> 
> If anybody else has made a duplicate or close to it, have you used 
it
> in the field? 
> 
> How does it actually work? 
> 
> Using 1.1 oz silnylon, I calculate the weight to be about 27+ oz. 
If
> you have made one, what is your actual weight?
> 
> It is intriguing and I am sorely tempted to try duplicating. Lots 
of
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Rat | 2 Oct 2006 06:08
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Re: Tarp Tent

Yes, I built the Youngblood tarp-tent. Jsut like his, and it works 
just the way you think it would from the pictures. I also built what I 
thought would be an improvement on it. A totally enclosed design I 
lovingly dubbed "The Tunnel of Hate", you can proly guess how that one 
turned out. I also prototyped a convertable tarp system for total 
weather protection called "Uber-tarp". All of these were built with 
1.1 or 1.9 oz material, they were prototypes after all, and each has 
been scrapped. 

My main reason for scraping all of these is very simple. They were TOO 
COMPLICATED! 1) They all needed pretty much identical set up points 
each time. And it's just not realistic to expect to find the "perfect 
spot" evey time. 2) The Uber-tarp had 22 tie out points, that's alot 
of cord to keep up with, not to mention stakes. 3) The complexity of 
the tarp-tent wasn't that bad, but it was more than the benefits. The 
Uber-tarp was just way too complicated. Entry and Exit required about 
a minute each. 4) Weight 5) Set up time was crazy long. 

One of the main benefits to me with a tarp and hammock system is the 
relative ease of operation. Set-up, entry, exit and breaking are EASY, 
I was making it much too complicated. 

I finally settled on a 10 x 10 tarp and a weather sock (like Jeff's 
and Risks Travel Pod). I have never gotten wet with just the tarp, but 
I use the sock to cut the wind in extreme cold. This system is 
extremely flexible, simple and light. 

Rat

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Rat | 2 Oct 2006 06:35
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Re: light weight hammock failure

Looks like you are trying to keep them from bunching up towards the 
hammock support. Good idea. I use a ridgeline so it would be even 
easier for us that do. You could also make them sliding, so that you 
could have them redy, and when it started rainind just pull the cord 
and slide them into place. They look more like a hammock bra than 
boots now. :) 

On a side note, hammocks aside, those photos look like an add for 
Croc's Footwear! 

One of these day's I'm gonna make to HS for one of these. I was 
actually in TN that weekend, but on the West end. I know, I know, it's 
only six hours.

Rat

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>  hey rat... (& anyone else interrested of course), i also put a 
couple photos in the hot springs album that michele took of my set-
up.  a few weeks ago i was trying to explain an idea about covers that 
protect the ends of the hammock from blowing rain, but wasn`t doing to 
good a job of explaining it. 
>    what you see in the photos were just the 1st attempt. more later 
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tim garner | 2 Oct 2006 13:00
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Re: Re: light weight hammock failure

hammock bra??? naw, any thing but that<G> 
  it`s really a variation of the sock, or something.
  part of the reason for the elastic cord was to keep them in a position that they would shed any water that did
collect on them.  that`s the mini, summer version.
 i`m thinking about one unit that would cover the outside/bottom of the hammock  too.  i saw a photo sgt rock had
on white blaze, in the hammock section, were he had something simular on a hh. i need to email him & ask about
that. 
  man yeah, you should try to come on up to hot springs sometime. we had people from ohio & michigan... jeff even
came in from ca.   ...tim

Rat <hogn8r2004@...> wrote: Looks like you are trying to keep
them from bunching up towards the 
hammock support. Good idea. I use a ridgeline so it would be even 
easier for us that do. You could also make them sliding, so that you 
could have them redy, and when it started rainind just pull the cord 
and slide them into place. They look more like a hammock bra than 
boots now. :) 

On a side note, hammocks aside, those photos look like an add for 
Croc's Footwear! 

One of these day's I'm gonna make to HS for one of these. I was 
actually in TN that weekend, but on the West end. I know, I know, it's 
only six hours.

Rat
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Dave Womble | 2 Oct 2006 16:12
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Re: Tarp Tent

Rat is right, the tarp tent that I have is not only complicated to 
make it is complicated to use.  The way I've used mine I can justify 
it's weight and bulk for the benefits it provides in cold conditions 
but the setup and take down time is problematic as well as sloping 
ground.  It is not so bad in nice weather but that is not when I 
want to use it as even in a high hung A-frame pitch it blocks more 
view than I prefer.  In nice weather it might double or even triple 
the time it takes to mess with setting it up as a hammock tarptent 
versus a decent size tarp; in bad weather that is significant and it 
can get worse because in bad weather you don't operate as 
efficiently and often have more trouble doing simple task correctly 
the first time.  Even take down time can be miserable when it is 
cold and everything is wet because you can't really handle the tarp 
and guylines with thick warm gloves on and after a certain amount of 
time you have to stop and rewarm your hands before continuing.  

It is kind of tantalizing because it is very nice to have a warmish 
protected area when it is freezing cold and breezy to sleep in, 
change clothes in and cook.  I think you could use the old candle in 
your cook pot routine to warm things up in the morning as well... 
but there are these dang tradeoffs. 

Youngblood

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