Michael | 3 Jun 2011 05:37
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EDIT / APPROVAL - Missing in the Minarets - Lyon

 

Richard,

I have to admit I felt like a minor league batter giving hitting advice to Babe Ruth while editing your review. Nice book review, I may add this one to my Fathers Day wish list.

You know the drill. Once you have adjusted adequately, feel free to upload to the following folder.

Reviews > Books > General

Thanks for your contribution to BGT.

Mike

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>>[Note: Bill Alsup is an accomplished photographer who often includes his 4 x 5 camera equipment in a backpack he designed for that purpose. I recommend another of his books, Such a Landscape!, to any photographer or history buff. It's an annotation of the journal of William Brewer, first assistant on the 1864 California Geographical Survey, as he traveled through what is now known as King's Canyon. Bill's photographs
alone are worth the price of this book, which though out of print is generally
available on the secondary market.]

Edit: Is this Note a quote from anything? If so, can we note who it is from? If not, I would like to get a ruling from a senior editor (such as you) on the recommendation of the other book. We all know the rules for recommendations, but is a book recommendation different from gear?

>>Peter Starr set out on a solo backpack, scheduled to meet his father at a lodge ten days later.

Edit: It seems to me that this sentence is missing a noun such as "Trip", "Expedition", "Adventure" etc… to be used with "backpack" as the adjective. But it is OK if you intentionally wrote the sentence to use "backpack" as the noun, I just haven't seen it structured that way.

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richardglyon | 3 Jun 2011 15:00
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Re: EDIT / APPROVAL - Missing in the Minarets - Lyon

 

Ted -

See below. Let me know what you think. This is the book you and I discussed by email some time ago.

Cheers, Richard

--- In BackpackGearTest-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "Michael" <mlebwill <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> I have to admit I felt like a minor league batter giving hitting advice to Babe Ruth while editing your review. Nice book review, I may add this one to my Fathers Day wish list.
>
> You know the drill. Once you have adjusted adequately, feel free to upload to the following folder.
>
> Reviews > Books > General
>
> Thanks for your contribution to BGT.
>
> Mike
>
> ______________________________
>
> >>[Note: Bill Alsup is an accomplished photographer who often includes his 4 x 5 camera equipment in a backpack he designed for that purpose. I recommend another of his books, Such a Landscape!, to any photographer or history buff. It's an annotation of the journal of William Brewer, first assistant on the 1864 California Geographical Survey, as he traveled through what is now known as King's Canyon. Bill's photographs
> alone are worth the price of this book, which though out of print is generally
> available on the secondary market.]
>
> Edit: Is this Note a quote from anything? If so, can we note who it is from? If not, I would like to get a ruling from a senior editor (such as you) on the recommendation of the other book. We all know the rules for recommendations, but is a book recommendation different from gear?
>
>
> >>Peter Starr set out on a solo backpack, scheduled to meet his father at a lodge ten days later.
>
> Edit: It seems to me that this sentence is missing a noun such as "Trip", "Expedition", "Adventure" etc… to be used with "backpack" as the adjective. But it is OK if you intentionally wrote the sentence to use "backpack" as the noun, I just haven't seen it structured that way.
>

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Ray | 5 Jun 2011 23:25
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Edit/Approval: Owner Review - Ultralight Backpackin' Tips - Richard Lyon

 

Hi Richard,

Nice review. I only see one edit. You can place it at:

Reviews > Books > General > Ultralight Backpackin Tips

Now on to your next one, ;-)

Ray

***As always, Mike's illustrations are humorous and instructive.

Edit: all other uses of his name you have it as Mike!

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squistad | 2 Jun 2011 18:13
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Repost: OR - Hilleberg Nammatj 3 GT - Seth Quistad

 

Hello Richard,

I figured it out! After a few minor wrestling matches with my computer, I finally have uploaded the following review:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/OWNER%20REVIEWS/OR%20-%20Hilleberg%20Nammatj%203GT%20-%20Quistad

Here is the plain text version. I tried to clear up some less than elegant writing here and there in addition to your corrections. Also, the Hilleberg.com website from here direct me to a central page where I have to choose my region, Europe or the rest of the world. The '.se' site does take me directly to the european version, however. I hope it is ok if I left the address as is.

Thanks again!

Seth

Hilleberg Nammatj 3GT
Owner Review by Seth Quisted
May 22, 2011

Personal Details and Backpacking Background
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Height: 6' 2" (1.88 m)
Weight: 176 lb (80 kg)
Email address: squistad <at> hotmail.com
City, State, Country: Zürich, Switzerland
Backpacking Background: I spend most of my backpacking time in terrain ranging from treks in the alps, to Mediterranean coastal trips, with the main emphasis being on family adventure trekking. We always hike as three, with my wife and now 7-year old son. That leads to a very special kind of ultralight backpacking, where the emphasis is on light weight and full protection from the elements.

Procuct Details
The Hilleberg Nammatj 3GT(hereafter referred to as the Nammatj) is a tunnel tent manufactured in Estonia by the Swedish tent guru Bo Hilleberg. The GT suffix denotes an extended vestibule, practically doubling the interior volume of the tent. The Nammatj also exists in the standard, smaller vestibule version at a weight reduction of approximately 2.2 lb (1 kg).

Manufacturer: Hilleberg the Tentmaker AB, Frösön, Sweden
Websites: www.hilleberg.com 
Year of manufacture: 2001 
Year of Purchase: 2001
MSRP: currently USD 745/Eur 829
Length, 160in/405cm
Width, 64in/160cm
Height, 42in/105cm
Floor area, inner tent, 36.6 ft^2/ 3.4 m^2., vestibule, 30.1 ft^2/2.8 m^2
"Minimum weight" (inner and outer tents + poles), listed 7 lb 1 oz/ 3.2 kg, measured 7 lb 10 oz 3.45 kg  
"Packed weight" (tents, poles, stakes, stuff sacks, instructions), listed 8 lb 10 oz/3.9 kg; measured 8 lb 5 oz/3.77 kg  

I purchased the Hilleberg Nammatj 3GT in 2001 after a large amount of research (probably too much...) based on the following criteria:

I was looking for a tent that would provide the highest amount of livable space and all weather scenario protection for the lowest weight for our family of three (at that time only 2 and a twinkle). I wanted something light, but solid enough that I would not be afraid of a toddler bouncing off the walls. There were at the time lighter tents, and today this is even more so, but nothing in this weight category for real four season protection and indestructible design.

Brief description
The Nammatj is a hand sewn tunnel tent. The manufacturer proudly states that he does not seal the seams of the tent, since they are so well sewn that they do not require sealing. My experience has justified this claim, and I must admit that the tent is a thing of beauty. The outer tent fly is constructed of Kerlon 1800, and comes in red and green. My model is the red version, and while I prefer the quality of light in the interior of the tent, it is less discreet, which may be an issue for some. It has one side entrance with a second mesh door for warmer weather. The door has been updated since my purchase. The manufacturer describes it as "The entrance on the GT's extended vestibule boasts a full no-see-um mesh door (which can be zipped off completely), and a multi-slider zipper door that can be opened from the top, side, or bottom. I have seen the door, and consider it to be an improvement.

The Nammatj, as are almost all Hilleberg tents, is constructed in an "exoskeleton" style: structure is given to the tent by poles inserted into sleeves in the outer tent fly, instead of on the inner tent. The inner tent is suspended from this outer shell, leaving a 4 in (10 cm) gap between the inner and outer walls. The inner tent is constructed of a breathable, DWR coated fabric.  In practice, this fabric effectively repels drops of water that may have fallen from condensation, but will let the water pass if I push up against it. The inner tent is suspended with a 4 inch space between the inner and outer walls, reducing the chance for contact between the two. The entire front face of the inner tent is a double fabric/ mosquito net door can be zipped open in various configurations allowing various possibilities for entry, and ventilation.

Field use
Our family has slept in this tent in a variety of situations ranging from around 20 F (-7 C) to 80 F (27 C). We have woken up to snow during a five day trip in the Italian Dolomites, and set it up in a campground near Naples at Pompeii. It has kept us dry during a week of rain on a cycle tour down the Swiss part of the Rhone, and we were admittedly sweating when we pitched it on the porch of a deserted house near a mosquito infested swamp in Thailand. We have not yet slept on solid snow with it, but maybe this year...

Pitching
As stated earlier, the Nammatj is a tunnel design, meaning that it will not stand on its own, but requires a minimum of 4 attachment points (normally stakes, but I have also used rocks, trees and even the leg of a picnic table) to the ground. While I was initially skeptical of the limitations inherent in this design, I have yet to encounter problems when pitching the tent. It would be difficult to pitch on a sheer rock. The "exoskeleton" design of the Nammatj makes pitching a simple, two step affair of inserting the poles into the sleeves and then staking it out. All three poles are identical, adding to the simplicity. I have found in practice that to get a very nice taut pitch, 6-8 stakes are required. When guyed out to its maximum of 20 stake points, the tent is firmly anchored in place, to put it mildly. The Nammatj seems to be very stable in wind, especially when pitched in the direction of the wind.

A great benefit of the Nammatj design, and implicitly other Hilleberg tents, is that by pitching the whole tent at once, the inner tent stays dry even in severely wet conditions.

One issue to take into consideration is that the tent is quite long (159 in/405 cm), making pitching in very tight situations a little creative. But it was a big tent I wanted...

Ventilation
The Nammatj has two large vents, situated about 3/4th of the way up the each end of the tent These both have a screen and a closure flap, adjustable with zippers. In addition, the inner tent has a rear triangular vent linked to the rear outer tent vent with a similar screen and closure system. tThe complete front entrance to the inner tent is vent-able or close-able depending on the weather and personal preference. The venting works well when pitched into the wind, and when there is wind, but we have had several occasions with quite a bit of condensation on the inside. Sometimes the problem has been inadequate venting on our part, but sometimes there is nothing we can do about it. A morning wipe down seems to be about the only solution, which can take quite a bit of time considering the surface area of the tent. Another possibility is to remove the inner tent and pack it separately, but that is also relatively labor intensive.

Comfort
In practice, I have found that the simplicity and attention to detail of the Nammatj make it a pleasure to use.

The actual sleeping area is sufficient for three adults, but not luxuriously big. For our family of three it is perfect. The end of the sleeping area does angle down, leading to occasional problems of a wet sleeping bag foot where I have pushed up against the outer tent in the night, collecting condensation. This has not affected my wife or son, since they are not so tall. Hilleberg himself recommends solving this problem by zipping a rain shell over the foot of the bag at night. I have found this an effective solution.

The tent is also very warm, making a very noticeable difference in cold weather. The warmth can be regulated by adjusting the vents.

For me, the vestibule is the crowning glory of the Nammatj 3GT. It allows us to to change clothes, cook, eat and live, while keeping the inner sleeping area clean. With a small child, this was especially helpful. In addition, the inner tent can be unlinked from the outer to create a very large space. In wet conditions we often will push the inner tent, complete with sleeping bags and (not fully inflated) mattresses, into the back corner, keeping our sleeping area very clean and dry while providing a very large space for cooking, and generally lazing around. I have at one point pushed the vestibule back (see photo), seated 7 people comfortably inside, and cooked dinner for them all in the center with room to spare.

Longterm
After close to ten years of using this tent, I am still extremely happy with it. The tent looks and functions pretty much like it did when I first received it. It has made a good shelter for a week in the Tetons, (Wyoming USA) in Thailand, as a base for exploring Italy's coastal regions, and of course for numerous higher altitude expeditions in the Alps. It is really a tent that can function in every situation. It does have some condensation issues, although I have never slept in a tent without some condensation, and it is not the lightest tent available. It also has a large footprint, and requires staking out.  However all of these issues are inherent in the type of tent, not only with this actual Nammatj.

As a summary I would like to briefly list my perceived pluses and minuses of the Nammatj 3 GT.

I like:

The all weather protection
The beautiful construction
The vestibule
The cozy secure feeling that I (and my wife and son) have when sleeping in it.

I like less:

The condensation issues
The price (although I would definitely buy another)
The weight, although very light for what it provides, is still a little high.

On the whole, I would without hesitation recommend this tent to anyone who wants one tent to do everything, and does not mind a small weight penalty (compared to some of the ultralight offerings out there) in exchange for true four season protection and a cavernous vestibule.

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Steven Smith | 3 Jun 2011 17:29
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OWNER REVIEW- Petzl Tikka Headlamp

 

PETZL TIKKA HEADLAMP
BY STEVEN SMITH
OR
June 02, 2011

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Steven Smith
EMAIL: averageoutdoors-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
AGE: 24
LOCATION: Penndel, Bucks County, Pennsylvania
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 5' 11" (1.80 m)
WEIGHT: 229 lb (104.00 kg)

I have been active in the outdoors all my life, but it has not been until
recent years that I have started to turn the outdoors from a hobby into a
passion. I purchased gear without really doing any research and am having
to re-purchase some things because of it. I backpack, fish, and hunt. I
need equipment that is going to hold up to a multitude of different
environments. Most of the outdoor activities take place all over
Pennsylvania, Missouri, and a little in Arkansas.

PRODUCT INFORMATION

Manufacturer: Petzl
Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.petzl.com" LINK TEXT = "
http://www.petzl.com">>
Estimated battery life: 120 hours
Bulbs: 3 LED Bulbs
Range: 67 feet
Headband: Adjustable, elastic headband
Weight: 78 gm. (2.75ounces) (includes battery weight)

<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 1" IMAGE CAPTION = "Front of Lamp">>

Ratchet style tilt option with molded light block to minimize glare
Water resistant for all-weather use
Includes three AAA batteries
On and Off sliding switch

<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 2" IMAGE CAPTION = "On and Off
Switch">>

FIELD USE

I have used this headlamp since first purchasing it in 2007. I did not know
anything about headlamps or backpacking gear but knew I was going on my
first overnight trip and needed some sort of light. I picked it out of the
bunch and I must say that I have been pleased. I have used it in while
backpacking, hunting, fishing, and even when the electric has gone out in
storms. I have fallen in love with this thing that whenever (if it ever
does) die I am replacing it. I t has worked flawlessly in pouring rain,
freezing temperatures, and hot sunny days. It gets moved around from pack
to pack because I use it so much for everything.

Brightness

This headlamp is not the brightest by far, but it does the job well. All I
use this for when hiking is to look around my tent or campsite. The only
time I have ever wished it was brighter is when I am trying to find my way
in the dark on the trail. If I was going to be hiking much after dark I
might want to invest in a brighter light, but for just bumming around camp
(which is what I do) it works great.

<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 4" IMAGE CAPTION = "Lip to Help Keep
Light Out of Your Eyes">>

Elasic Band

The elastic band on this headlamp has a width of one inch. It is fairly
easy to adjust and is actually pretty comfortable. I have sometimes forgot
that it was even on my head until I took my hat off and it came flying off.
I have not noticed any slipping on my head even after years of use.

Battery Replacement

This is the only thing that I think could have been better. It is kind of
difficult to replace the batteries in this headlamp. It takes some effort
to open the lamp up, and some effort to close it. This is not that big of a
deal because I do not have to change the batteries all that often. It
really does last forever.

<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 3" IMAGE CAPTION = "Battery Release">>

End of Life

You can easily tell when it is time to replace the batteries. It starts to
get very dim. The good thing is that it takes it forever to get to the
point where you need to change batteries. I never take batteries with me on
a trip. I usually will change the batteries before I leave if I think they
are dying, or will die on the trail.

WeatherProof

Holds up to rain like a champ. I have been in some pretty serious
thunderstorms and this thing kept on shining. It has never been completely
submerged though. Works the same in the cold as it does when it is warm.
The batteries will die a little quicker than normal, but that is about the
only difference.

Summary

This is a great, simple to use headlamp. It holds up to the elements very
well and can be used for any number of activities. It has been very
reliable and plenty bright.

Things I Like and Don't LIke

THINGS I LIKE
The switch
The headband
Have had no problems
The weight

THINGS I DON'T LIKE
The battery compartment (minor complaint

Signiture

Steven Smith
Check out www.averageoutdoors.com for more reviews.

This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2011. All rights reserved.

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Ray | 5 Jun 2011 23:44
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Edit Approval: Owner Review - Osprey Hornet 46 - Lyon

 

Hi Richard,

Another nice review. Just a couple of edits.

I too beta tested the Hornet (for Osprey, not through BPL). It is a nice pack. You may want to ask about the rules for reviewing beta gear. I am not sure that the beta packs are the same as the retail models being sold. Mine went back to the techs for evaluation.

If it is a go you may place it at:

Reviews > Packs > Internal and External Framed Backpacks > Osprey Hornet 46

Ray

***This feature, called by Osprey the "external hydration pocket," is clever design work, allowing a bladder to seat outside the pack bag to avoid drips or worse on the pack's contents.

Comment: it makes refilling while in the middle of your hike much easier too.

*** After probably thirty or more days in the field, I've had mishaps of any kind.

EDIT: and what kind were they? ;-) I think you mean "no" mishaps

*** Comfortable, lightweight yet fully featured, and tough, theHornet 46 is an exceptionally versatile pack.

EDIT: need a space at "the Hornet"
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richardglyon | 6 Jun 2011 00:27
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Edit/Approval - Hilleberg Nammatj 3GT - Seth Quisted

 

Seth,

Excellent work, sir. Only one technical problem – if you take a look at your html version you'll see that some symbols [height, the umlauts in Zurich and Froson] have been transposed by your html program. On this one I'd recommend dropping the umlauts and writing out "in" for inches. For future Reviews, consider one of the WYSIWYG programs available. I use Kompozer (free download); I'm surer there are others available.

For the other edits, same format as last time: EDIT is a required change, Edit a suggested change or request for clarification, and Comment is a comment with no change required.

After revising you may upload to http://tinyurl.com/3fzrue3
After doing so, please delete your Tests folder copy.

I think you are correct on the web address.

Congratulations on completing your first Owner Review!

Cheers, Richard

<<Email address: >>
Edit: I'd write out the punctuation – even if not clickable it's easily copied otherwise. Squisted AT hotmail DOT com. Sorry I wasn't clear on this the first time around.

<< I spend most of my backpacking time in terrain ranging
from treks in the alps, to Mediterranean coastal trips, >>
EDIT: Alps [capital A]

<<Procuct Details>>
EDIT: Product

<<MSRP: currently USD 745/Eur 829>>
Edit: BGT's preferred abbreviation is "$745 US"

<<The Nammatj is a hand sewn tunnel tent. >>
Edit: hand-sewn [with a hyphen]

<<The outer tent fly is constructed of Kerlon 1800, and comes in red and green. >>
Edit: I'd say "red or green, " as it's one or the other

<<I have seen the door, and consider it to be an improvement.>>
Edit: I have seen the new door

<<The inner tent is suspended with a 4 inch space between the inner and outer walls, >>
Edit: 4-inch [with a hyphen]

<<We have woken up to snow during a five day trip in the Italian Dolomites,>>
Edit: five-day and set it up[with a hyphen]

<<we were admittedly sweating when we pitched it on the porch of a
deserted house near a mosquito infested swamp in Thailand.>>
Edit: mosquito-infested [with a hyphen]

<<The Nammatj seems to be very stable in wind, especially when pitched in the direction of the wind.>>
Edit: After ten years I think you can avoid "seems to be" and say "is"

<< tThe complete front entrance to the inner tent is vent-able or close-able depending on the weather and personal preference. >>
EDIT: Delete the lower cast "t."

<<Longterm>>
EDIT: Long term [two words]

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richardglyon | 6 Jun 2011 00:31
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Re: Edit/Approval: Owner Review - Ultralight Backpackin' Tips - Richard Lyon

 

Ray,

Do you think the book should be under General or Field Guides? Looking at the other books in each category, I'd say the latter.

Thanks for the edits. I'll upload when the query above is resolved.

Cheers, Richard

--- In BackpackGearTest-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "Ray" <rayestrella <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Nice review. I only see one edit. You can place it at:
>
> Reviews > Books > General > Ultralight Backpackin Tips
>
> Now on to your next one, ;-)
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> ***As always, Mike's illustrations are humorous and instructive.
>
> Edit: all other uses of his name you have it as Mike!
>

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richardglyon | 6 Jun 2011 00:39
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Re: Edit Approval: Owner Review - Osprey Hornet 46 - Lyon

 

Thanks, Ray

I think it's OK to review beta gear so long as it's disclosed, which I did. After all, pack and other gear models change somewhat from time to time. But I'll hold off uploading until I get clarification.

Cheers, Richard

--- In BackpackGearTest-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "Ray" <rayestrella <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Another nice review. Just a couple of edits.
>
> I too beta tested the Hornet (for Osprey, not through BPL). It is a nice pack. You may want to ask about the rules for reviewing beta gear. I am not sure that the beta packs are the same as the retail models being sold. Mine went back to the techs for evaluation.
>
> If it is a go you may place it at:
>
> Reviews > Packs > Internal and External Framed Backpacks > Osprey Hornet 46
>
> Ray
>
>
> ***This feature, called by Osprey the "external hydration pocket," is clever design work, allowing a bladder to seat outside the pack bag to avoid drips or worse on the pack's contents.
>
> Comment: it makes refilling while in the middle of your hike much easier too.
>
>
>
> *** After probably thirty or more days in the field, I've had mishaps of any kind.
>
> EDIT: and what kind were they? ;-) I think you mean "no" mishaps
>
>
>
> *** Comfortable, lightweight yet fully featured, and tough, theHornet 46 is an exceptionally versatile pack.
>
> EDIT: need a space at "the Hornet"
> .
>

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Jamie D. | 6 Jun 2011 05:44
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Re: BackpackGearTest] WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE as of 9 April

 

Hi Ryn,

As of the 30 May Weekly Update I have you back in the Awaiting Edit section of the queue with a note to your editor that you reposted on May 14th. I also sent a message to AB, who was your editor, about your repost so he can get back to it when he has a chance. Should be hearing from him soon I'd expect.

Jamie D.

--- In BackpackGearTest-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, Ryn Ellis <rynellis <at> ...> wrote:
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> Subject: RE: [BackpackGearTest] WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE as of 9 April
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 23:53:06 -0300

>
> Jamie,
> I sent in the OR for the Gator Axe (the updated one).
> I was wondering if you received it.
>
> Thanks
> Ryn

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