OR Editors,

Following is a review on a custom quilt I had made from Hammock Gear. I often refer the reader back to a quilt by the same name that I wrote a year ago. The main differences are an updated suspension and the custom fabric choice.

I do a great deal of referring back to the former OR and comparing. I hope this is acceptable. If not, I'll be happy to change. Just let me know!!!

I have two other custom quilts I can write on, but they won't really need all the references this one did. I also have two or three other hammock related OR's I'm working on if time allows...

~SMK

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http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/OWNER%20REVIEWS/OR-HAMMOCK%20GEAR%20INCUBATOR-STEVE%20KIDD/

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HAMMOCK GEAR INCUBATOR 20* F [CUSTOM FABRIC]
BY STEVEN M KIDD
OR
May 20, 2013

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Steven M Kidd
EMAIL: ftroop94ATgmailDOTcom
AGE: 40
LOCATION: Franklin, Tennessee
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 5' 9" (1.75 m)
WEIGHT: 173 lb (78.50 kg)

Backpacking Background: I've been a backpacker on and off for over 25 years. I backpacked as a Boy Scout, and then again almost every month in my twenties, while packing an average weight of 50+ lbs (23+ kg). In the last several years I have become a hammock camping enthusiast. I generally go on one or two night outings that cover between 5 to 20 mi (8 - 32 km) distances. I try to keep the all-inclusive weight of my pack under 20 lb (9 kg) even in the winter.

PRODUCT INFORMATION

<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 1" IMAGE CAPTION = "Image Courtesy of Hammock Gear">>

Manufacturer: Hammock Gear
Year of Manufacture: 2012
Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://hammockgear.com/">>
MSRP: US $289.00
Listed Weight: N/A
Measured Weight: 21.2 oz (601 g)
Listed Measurements: 78x44 in (198 x 112 cm)
My Measurements: 77x45 in (196 x 114 cm)
Listed Quilt Loft: 2.5 in (6 cm)
Measured Quilt Loft: 3 in (8 cm)
900+ Down Fill Weight: 12 oz (340 g)
Temperature Rating: 20/15 F (-7/-9 C)

Just over a year ago I wrote a review on my first Hammock Gear Incubator. The Hammock Gear Incubator is a full-length under quilt, or UQ, that is designed to attach underneath a camping hammock in order to keep the user warm. They design the quilt in three base temperature ratings: 40 F (4 C), 20 F (-7 C) and 0 F (-18 C). As I noted in my previous report, as a cottage industry they customize much of the gear they produce. A customer may choose from minimal options like additional down or varying footbox construction, or, he or she may contact the vendor directly to have nearly everything about the product customized.

Before I wrote my former report, I had a phone conversation with Adam Hurst, an owner of the business, to clarify a few questions about his products. At that very time he was redesigning the suspension system (the way it hangs beneath the hammock) on the Incubator and we discussed custom fabrics he could use to make his products. These conversations, an appetite to save weight and add to my gear closet led me to having Hammock Gear create a quilt with a custom fabric.

Once I decided on a new quilt and before I settled on dimensions and fabrics I had multiple conversations with Adam, therefore many of the specifications listed on the Hammock Gear website are not accurate to my quilt. We discussed a shorter quilt based, on my height, but I decided to go standard in both this area and with the down fill. The area I debated and eventually decided on customizing was the fabric.

I decided to choose a fabric known as 10-D. This fabric weighs roughly 0.85 oz per sq yd. Compare this to the stock fabric on my first quilt, a 1.1 per sq yd Ripstop nylon. As previously noted, the suspension is different on this newer quilt, and in fact the updated suspension design and other changes add 2.35 oz (67 g) to the new stock quilt design. That stated, my custom Incubator weighs 21.2 oz (601 g). This newer suspension includes corner line-locks as seen below. These locks secure the quilt snugly beneath the hammock, and were designed to minimize the quilt sagging away from the hammock inhabitant's body on sub-freezing evenings. The previous suspension allowed the occupant to slide the quilt back and forth along the shock cord until a desired position was found. This is no longer an option with the locks are secured on the current setup. Also note the smaller cylindrical cord-locks in the images below. These are designed to tighten the ends of the quilt snugly to the hammock in order to close any air drafts. They may be left loose in warm weather to allow air to enter between the quilt and the hammock.

The Hammock Gear website sells the standard Incubator 20*F for $239.00 and it has a list weight of 24.85 oz (704 g). The fabric I chose was a $50.00 upgrade, but saved me 3.65 oz (103 g) over the stock choice.

<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 2" IMAGE CAPTION = "Updated Suspension (Hammock Gear Image)">> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 3" IMAGE CAPTION = "Updated Suspension View 2 (Hammock Gear Image)">>

IMPRESSIONS & FIELD USE

I bought the quilt in the late summer of 2012, and began using it in the early fall. Since purchasing it I've had it on nearly a dozen outings and logged over twenty nights using it. I've used it in extremely wet and damp conditions and the DWR (durable water repellent) has worked perfectly. The lowest temperature I've taken the quilt to was 15 F (-9 C) and I was comfortable, but I did wear down pants and a down top that evening. I've also slept with it on a night with 20+ mph wind gusts. That evening temperatures were around 48 F (9 C), and I actually was a little hot that night.

A year ago when I wrote my first report on Hammock Gear products I was a fully satisfied customer and I continue to
have nothing but positive things to state about this newly updated quilt. In fact, I now own over a half dozen items from the manufacturer.
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 4" IMAGE CAPTION = "Incubator Cord-Locks Cinched Tight for a Cool Night">>
The change in suspension concerned me when I had discussions with Adam last year, but he simply suggested I give it a try. He said if I didn't like it I could modify it back to the original, or return it to him and have the company do it for me. I've been nothing but pleasantly surprised with the new suspension system. Granted I can't slide it up and down the shock cord, but I don't need to do that any longer. I find the fit I like, test it and it stays snug and close to the body all evening. The ability to slide the quilt up and down the suspension line on the older suspension worked well when and/if it sagged away from the hammock creating an air gap. However, with this suspension that has never been an issue.

I was happy enough with the former suspension that I felt I didn't need a change, but I'm so impressed with this new version that I plan on returning my older quilt to have it updated to the new version. That is another beauty of this small vendor...excellent and continued customer service. Both their service and products that have created a repeat customer in me.

The material on this quilt is soft to the hand and although it is extremely light weight it appears quite durable. An under quilt never physically touches the hammocker since it is suspended beneath it to retain loft and thus warmth. I do, however, have top quilts made with the same material that are very soft and comfortable.
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 5" IMAGE CAPTION = "Hammock Gear Incubator & a Warbonnet Traveler">>
There are a few other minor nuances I've noticed on this quilt verses the earlier version. Like the quilt before, it has grosgrain ribbon that runs down its length to create a channel for the shock-corded suspension. It also has loops every several feet or so that allows the user to attach to a hammock or ridgeline if necessary. Hammock Gear has added small plastic D-Rings to these loops. If the quilt needs to be attached somewhere to be kept snug it does certainly make it a little quicker with these, but for me they are unneeded weight. However, I haven't yet removed them. I'm on the verge of being a "gram weenie", but I haven't yet gone to the extremes of cutting my toothbrush handle in half...or removing stock items from a fine product!

To date, I've only used this Incubator with two hammocks; both are gathered end and netless. One is a Warbonnet Traveler, which I've also reviewed and would suggest the reader checking out, and the other is a DIY (Do-It-Yourself) hammock that a friend made for me. Attaching it to these hammocks, tightening the suspension to the proper adjustment and hopping in it to verify it is properly setup is very quick and simple. On my first hang or two I had to readjust the tautness to fit how I planned to lay in the hammock and ensure I was given complete coverage from beneath. Since then, I've learned to eyeball it and get it done on the first try. To reiterate, I had no problems with the suspension on my older quilt, but I simply didn't realize how hassle-free and easy this n ew setup was in my naivety! The quilt comes with Nite-ize #2 Plastic S-Biners to attach to a hammock suspension. I did remove these and I use small Dutchware aluminum quilt hook that weighs a mere 0.3 g a piece.
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 6" IMAGE CAPTION = "Double Hanging with my Son (On a DIY Hammock)">>
I have yet to use this quilt with a netted hammock like my Warbonnet Blackbird, but the suspension was adjusted by the company specifically to be friendlier with these designs. For me, I'd rarely ever see this becoming a concern as in the cooler months I never use a netted hammock. I reserve one for the buggy season and by then it is generally warm enough that I want an air gap between my hammock and quilt so that I'm not too warm. The image to the left showing the classic double hang has the Incubator attached to the hammock that was made by a friend. The hammock above that, a Hennessy Cub, is a netted style hammock similar to mine. Eventually I'd love to acquire a 40 F (22 C) rated under quilt from the vendor, but I'm building my supply of three season versions in an effort to get my children in the air. My son was using a pad inside his Cub for insulation, and my daughter drew the lucky straw getting my older under quilt in this back yard test. Her setup is not in the image.

Hammock Gear has also added a draft baffle to each end of the quilt where it snugs up against the hammock. The baffles, D-Rings and change in suspension are all things that have added to the overall 'stock' weight of the new Incubator, but my custom fabric mine in at a respectable weight savings. Even if I were to order one in the standard material, I'd be happy with the additional weight due to the way it fits the hammock. This is why I plan to return my older quilt to change the suspension and add the baffles.
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "IMAGE 7" IMAGE CAPTION = "Sleeping Comfortably on a 30 Degree Slope">>

WEBSITE ENHANCEMENTS

My report from 2012 mentioned some inconsistencies on the website concerning down fill, weights and a few other minimal concerns. Since then Hammock Gear has gone through substantial change in their web design and I wanted to make a special note on how professional it appears. The Custom Orders still require phone or email communication, but there is a tab noted on the site stating they do such work.

SUMMARY

Much like my first under quilt from Hammock Gear I am thoroughly impressed with this newer design in a custom fabric. I'm happy to see a vendor that improves design when they feel it will make a product better, not simply to sell something new in a fancy new color. I now have three products from them in this 10-D material, so look for reviews on them as well!

In summary, Hammock Gear makes a solid product, and from my experience if I have a concern or question they will do whatever it takes to 'make it right'. I can't think of a better way to conduct business in this modern age.

This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.

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Hello OR Editors,
I'm long overdue for posting some more ORs but they're going to be slow coming. I finally got one done though! Seems short but, well, it's a saw. Red pens out!
Andrea

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Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw
Owner Review by Andrea Murland
May 16, 2013

Tester Information
Name: Andrea Murland
Email: amurland AT shaw DOT ca
Age: 27
Location: Elkford & Kimberley, British Columbia, Canada
Gender: Female
Height: 5 ft 2 in (1.57 m)
Weight: 125 lb (57 kg)
I began hiking frequently in 2006 and have since hiked in Western Canada, Australia, and spent 2 months backpacking in the Alps. I spend most weekends either day-hiking or on 2-3 day backpacking trips, with some longer trips when I can manage them. I also snowshoe and ski in the winter, but don't have a lot of experience with winter in the backcountry yet. Elevation is typically 500-3,000 m (1,600-10,000 ft), in the Canadian Rockies and the Selkirk, Purcell, and Monashee ranges. I try for a light pack, but I don't consider myself a lightweight backpacker.

Product Information
Manufacturer: Black Diamond Equipment, Ltd.
Manufacturer's URL: http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/
Year of Manufacture: 2009
Model: FlickLock Snow Saw
MSRP: US $44.95
Listed Weight: 160 g (5.6 oz)
Measured Weight: 164 g (5.8 oz) saw only, 265 g (9.3 oz) with sheath

Description

The Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw is a, well, snow saw. It has large serrations with teeth in groups of three. The blade is 35 cm (13.8 in) long, and has a line and "30 cm" (11.8 in) printed on it on one side. Also printed on the blade is the Black Diamond name and logo. The handle is made from black plastic and has the Black Diamond logo moulded into it. The handle is marked with "35 cm" (13.8 in) where the blade ends. The key feature of the FlickLock Saw is the ability for it to attach to compatible Black Diamond poles (I have a set). The end of the saw handle has two holes (for two different pole sizes), and the lower section of a pole can be inserted into the holes with the FlickLock mechanism open. Once the lever is closed, the saw stays on the end of the pole.

The FlickLock Saw comes with a sheath which seems to be made from some kind of plastic. The sheath is printed on one side with the Black Diamond logo and name. The saw slides into the sheath and it covers the blade entirely.

Field Conditions

I have been using the FlickLock Saw since 2009 as part of my snow kit. It has primarily been used for snow study work in test pits, for cutting and isolating columns. I have used it on the end of my pole about 5 times for when I need to reach farther with the saw than I can reach with my arm, for extended column tests and for cutting cornices. In addition to snow work, this saw was an essential piece of gear for clearing a heli-pad on an overnight avalanche/rope rescue. I spent several hours cutting down trees up to about 10 cm (3.9 in) in diameter with the saw. It has also been used for some winter trail clearing work to make enough space for a stretcher. I estimate that I have used the saw about 20 times for snow or tree sawing, in addition to carrying it around a lot, in temperatures ranging from -25 C (-13 F) to 10 C (50 F).

I carry the saw inside the sheath in my pack, against the back panel, with the handle facing up. The saw is stored full-time in my search & rescue pack in the winter, always ready for action.

Review

General Use
The FlickLock Snow Saw does a great job of cutting snow. The markings on the blade and handle make it very easy and quick to cut a 30 cm x 30 cm (11.8 in x 11.8 in) column. The saw also does a great job on trees with some effort. I was very impressed by how well it cut. The handle is reasonably comfortable to hold, considering that it's not a full gripped handle. I also use it with gloves on, which probably makes it more comfortable. The mechanism to attach the saw to compatible poles works well. It has come in handy numerous times while out in a group with people with normal length saws. I'm not sure what else to say about it…it's a saw. The sheath also works well. I've never had any cuts through it.

Durability
The saw is still in good shape. It has some rough spots and discoloration from tree pitch. I suspect that it's not as sharp as it was originally, but it still works fine for snow. The sheath shows no sign of wearing through, and isn't even rough on the inside from the blade.

Summary

The Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw is a snow saw that does a great job cutting snow and wood, and attaches to compatible poles to extend the length.

Thumbs Up:
Cuts snow
Cuts wood
Markings on blade and handle
Sturdy sheath
Attaches to compatible poles
Thumbs Down:
Nothing

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Thank you for your kind edits! (or not so kind--all welcome)

Ursack Bear Bag

OWNER REVIEW
by Joe Schaffer
May 30, 2013

REVIEWER INFORMATION:
NAME: Joe Schaffer
EMAIL: never2muchstuff-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
AGE: 65
GENDER: Male
HEIGHT: 5'9" (1.75 m)
WEIGHT: 175 lb (79.4 kg)
HOME: Hayward, California USA

I frequent California's central Sierras, camping every month; up to 95 nights a year; about half the time solo; moving nearly every day. As a comfort camper I lug tent, mattress, chair, etc. Summer trips last typically a week to 10 days; 40 lb (18 kg), about half food-related; about 5 miles (8 km) per hiking day. I winter camp most often at 6,000' to 7,000' (1,800 to 2,100 m); 2 to 3 nights; 55 lb (25 kg); 1 to 4 miles (1.5 to 6 km) on snowshoes. I work occasionally at an outdoor store.

The Product:
Ursack bear resistant food sack
Manufacturer: Ursack
Web site: www.Ursack.com
Purchased: 2008

My bag:
Weight: 7.3 oz (207 g)
Diameter: 7.4" (18.8 cm)
Length (cinched): 13.5" (34.3 cm)
Volume: 580 cid (9.5 L)
Tie cord: 66" (1.68 m)

Factory specs (from website for S29 AllWhite ):
Weight: 7.3 oz (207 g)
Diameter: 8" (20.3 cm)
Length: 13" (33 cm)
Volume: 650 cid (10.65 L)
Tie cord: 72" (1.83 m)
MSRP: US $67.89

Calculations for S29:
Volume per wt: 89.04 ci^3 per oz (0.051 L per g)
Volume per US dollar of MSRP: 9.57 ci^3 (0.157 L)


Kindly Note:
My bag is superseded by the S29 AllWhite. Mfr replied S29 has stronger Spectra fabric than the Vectran in mine, citing no other differences.

Product Description:

The product is a bear-resistant food storage bag made of tactical "bulletproof" material with an integrated Spectra cinch cord long enough to secure the bag to a tree. Tear strength appears to exceed the capacities of even two black bears. The material is not waterproof. My bag and the S29 are not rodent-proof as the material can be cut with sharp implements such as chipmunk incisors. Bags are not approved for use in Yosemite; or in bear-can-required areas of Sequoia-Kings Canyon. An optional aluminum liner is available for the purpose of making the bag too big for a bear to jaw the bag's girth.

Field conditions:

I've carried my bag for about 100 hiking days over 5 years; mostly in California's Sierras and a week last summer in a couple of wilderness areas in Oregon (USA). I always use an OPSak liner with nested plastic grocery bags to limit odor emission, keep food dry and inhibit oozing under attack. I sometimes rely on the bag exclusively; and where cans are not required, sometimes use the bag as "overage" when everything doesn't fit in one bear can. Rodents have so far not assailed the bag. I don't use the aluminum liner.

Observations:

I find the Forest Service's mandated hanging method for vulnerable bags nearly impossible if not nearly always impractical and certainly always inconvenient to follow. Tying to a tree is not so difficult. I first cinch the Ursack with a surgeon's knot, include a bear bell and then a figure 8. I secure the bag to a 6" to 8" (15 to 20 cm) diameter, preferably dead standing tree. I tie the bag as high as I can reach, encircling the tree with the tie cord as a "choker" that will tighten as the bag gets pulled, making it more difficult to pull the bag lower; then a surgeon's knot finished with a figure 8. (Surgeon's knot absorbs much pressure that might otherwise lock up a figure 8.)

The bag is feather-light compared to hard containers; less than a can of tuna. It also folds smaller as the days go by. Most importantly, I have found it presents an effective obstacle to bears intent on snitching food. My bag has survived two determined snack attacks.

The first was in 2008 on Kibbie Ridge just outside the border of Yosemite NP on the 3rd day of a 10-day trip. The bag was tied about 4' (1.25 m) up a dead hemlock sucker so sturdy I could not budge it. The bear was getting it to crack in a rhythm of pushing it with his front paws while jerking back on the bag. (I didn't think they could bring that much force to bear standing on their hind legs.) The bag wasn't full and he had his mouth fully around the top. The picture shows him in retreat. He'd been on the bag long enough the top was drenched in slobber and bore a few scuff marks. I guess because he got a mouthful of bag above the food, only a single cup of applesauce actually got squished. The incident demonstrated the gravity of logic in using the hard can to store wet (if even lower priority) stuff on trips I have both.

The second event occurred in 2012 at the Boat In site (we backpackers walk to it) on Loon Lake in El Dorado NF in California; 1st night of 3. Two bears were on the bag, which I'd tied to a tree about 20' (7 m) from my tent. They managed to put about a third of the contents in distress. I counted 24 weave separations, and one broken thread. Perhaps the team was a sow and adolescent, with junior's puppy teeth sharp enough to penetrate the weave. The punctured can demonstrates the vitality of the incursion. Yet after a thorough rinsing, all but one thread restored to original weave and little evidence of the incident remains.

In both events the bears masticated with my interpretation of savage intent. None got a literal food reward. Even with dozens of holes in the bag, the liner and plastic grocery bags kept ooze contained. In the second incident they no doubt could taste what their teeth had penetrated. It looked to me that the bears (in both incidents) became tantalized at the prospect of a pigout; and had they been allowed to persist long enough, perhaps they'd have forced ooze to squeeze through.

I don't always think a bear can necessary, but I never want to be responsible for buggering a bear's natural foraging instinct. Secondarily, a loss of food could lead to a truncated trip. At best I'd lose a day of hiking to spend a day driving and gas to the nearest store to restock. I find Ursack a practical, effective and convenient short term way to prevent bears from rummaging my rations and getting spoiled with a food reward.

Ursack quick shots:

a) Light
c) Packable
d) Effective
e) Tantalizing

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Wyatt, Welcome to BackpackGearTest.org, and thanks for your Owner Review. I'll be your editor, and I look forward to working with you to get it ready for posting.

Before getting to specific edits, I'm going to point out a few BackpackGearTest.org (BGT) conventions that you need to review. In fact I suggest that you re-read the Survival Guide's chapter on Owner Reviews, where some of my comments below are discussed in greater depth.

1. Title should be three lines: first line (usually in larger type and bold) is the product name, second line is "Owner Review by [name of author]," and third line the date – written out rather than merely using numerals, as in many countries the day, not the month, comes first. So yours would read:

CAMELBAK CLOUDWALKER
Owner Review by Wyatt Freeman
May 2, 2013

2. All measurements require conversion, so that both Imperial and metric are listed. All temperatures must be converted, so that both Fahrenheit and Celsius are listed. In addition, BGT has a standard set of abbreviations, which you'll find at the bottom of the conversion table page on BGT's website. So – your height would be 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m). All measurements are singular (lb not lbs, for example).

3. We don't allow use of the USPS abbreviations for states, as our international readers are likely unfamiliar with them. "North Carolina" not "NC"

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Please revise your Review, taking account of the foregoing, and repost it to this list, with "Repost," the product name, and your name in the subject line.

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Cheers, Richard Lyon
BGT Editor

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This is the official Owner Review Edit Queue Update. Any uploads done after 9:00 PM Pacific Time on 13 May, 2013 will not be noted until next week's update. If you have questions about the queue please feel free to ask.

Thank you.
Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director

WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE
as of May 13

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EDIT Team Members OOP (Out of Pocket)

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AWAITING EDIT

Wyatt Freeman(1) - CamelBak Cloudwalker Review - Posted May 2 (msg#82114),

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TAKEN BY AN EDITOR/EDITED

RICHARD - James Dillion Asher Jr.(1) - SealLine Boundary Pack- 115L – Posted Mar 30 (msg#82039), Taken Apr 3, Edit Apr 4 (82057), Repost Apr 9, Edit Apr 10 (82064), Repost Apr 14, Edit-Picture request Apr 15(82084)

RICHARD - Jaco-Chris Koorts(1) - Cape Union Mart Advance 85 hiking backpack - Posted Apr 5 (msg#82059 & 82059), Taken Apr 13, Edit Apr 13(82080),

RAY - Kendall Story(1) - SALOMON QUEST 4D GTX HIKING BOOTS W – Posted Apr 12 (msg#82068), Taken Apr 25, Edit Apr 25,

RAY - Davis Meschke(M)(1) - Vasque Breeze GTX Hiking Boots - Posted Apr 23 (msg#82097), awaiting Mentor approval, Repost Apr 25(82110), Taken May 11, Edit May 11 (82127)

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RICHARD - Joe Schaffer - Gregory Denali Pro - Posted Apr 22 (msg#82094), Taken May 9, Edit/Approval May 9 (82124)

RAY - Bob Dorenfeld(1) - REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL Daypack - Posted Apr 18 (msg#82088), Taken May 8, Edit May 8 (82121), Repost May 9, Edit May 11 (82126), Repost May 12, Edit/Approval May 13 (82130),

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RAY – BP - Adam Albertson(1) - OSPREY AETHER 70L Pack - Posted Jan 8(81889), Taken Jan 16, Referred to mentoring Jan 16(81913),
Adam Albertson(2) - TNFACE Tundra 20 F bag - Posted Dec 18 (msg#81823),

BP - Ben Hawley - BIG AGNES Fly Creek UL 3 – Posted Feb 17 (msg#81972), On hold pending use clarification as of Feb 19, Revised Feb 20, On hold as of Mar 2

Mike Deckard(1) - Osprey Stratos 24 Pack – Posted Mar 5(msg#82008), On hold pending use clarification as of Mar 8, Revised Mar 10, On hold pending more field use

James Dillion Asher Jr.(2) - Sea To Summit X-Cup - Posted Mar 30 (msg#82042), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1,

James Dillion Asher Jr.(3) - Dakine Cyclone Roll-Top Pack 36L - Posted Mar 31 (msg#82043), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1&2,

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RICHARD - Adam Albertson(1) - OR men's VERGLAS GAITER – Posted Mar 8 (msg#82011), Taken Mar 22, Edit Mar 22(82023), Follow-up sent May 2,

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Hi Ray,

Latest revisions, as follows:
- bio trimmed to 99 words
- manufacturer full name fixed in Product Information (use REI afterwards)
- URL in Product Information revised to "www.rei.com"
- State size I am reviewing in Product Information
- Removed link to web site below pictures
- Updated all text to "day pack" throughout, and revised "(it replaced a 12 year old daypack that has seen better times)," to (it replaced an old and now-inadequate day pack) in Field Use
- replaced "those" with "the" in "for those combination hikes" in Field Notes
- Replaced "attaching" with "attached" in " quick-release buckles attaching to the roll-top" in Field Notes

thanks,
~Bob

REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL DAY PACK
BY Bob Dorenfeld
OR
April 15, 2013

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Bob Dorenfeld
EMAIL: geartestatsageandsprucedotnet
AGE: 55
LOCATION: Salida, Colorado, USA
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 5' 6" (1.68 m)
WEIGHT: 150 lb (68.00 kg)

I'm an active hiker, snowshoer, skier (Nordic & alpine), backpacker. I live at 7000 ft (2134 m) in the Southern Colorado Rockies where I hit the trail between 7000 ft (2134 m) and 14000 ft (4200 m). I'll hike from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km), ranging as much as 5000 ft (1500 m) of elevation change. I carry up to 20 lb (9 kg) on day hikes, about 45 lb (20 kg) on backpacks. Overnights are usually from one to three nights. Often I hike off-trail on challenging talus, snowfields, or willow brakes, with occasional bouldering.

Product Information

Manufacturer: Recreational Equipment, Inc. (REI)
Year of Manufacture: 2012
Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.rei.com" LINK TEXT = "www.rei.com">>
MSRP: US$129.00
Listed Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Measured Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Option: Available in M or L torso size, reviewing L
Gear capacity: 2134 in^3 (35 L)
Material(s): High tenacity nylon/oxford nylon
Pack loading: Top
Pack access: Top/Side
Number of exterior pockets: 4 plus main compartment
Dimensions: 22.5 in x 12 in x 8 in (57 cm x 30.5 cm x 20.3 cm)
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 front" IMAGE CAPTION = "Photos: REI">> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 back">>

Product Description

This pack is made of "high tenacity nylon/oxford nylon", as REI calls it. It has padded hip and shoulder straps, water bladder sleeve and tube port, a wand pocket for small items, and compression straps. The extras not found on many day packs include removable hipbelt and internal frameplate to save weight, molded foam back panel adds comfort for a heavy load, roll-top closure for weather resistance, side zipper for easy access to the main compartment, internal gear loops, and many exterior loops and attachment points (including ski/snowshoe straps). There is also a pair of removable rope (or other gear) straps for the top of the pack. The accompanying pictures illustrate most of these features. This review is for the Medium torso size (but pack is also available in Large).
Review Summary

This day or small overnight pack has met or exceeded all of my expectations. I use it for short and long day trips on all kinds of trail and off-trail conditions, carrying extra gear when needed. The shoulder and waist straps are easily adjusted, there are lots of convenient attachment points and straps, and the ski/snowshoe side-straps worked great. Materials are durable and extra stitching is apparent throughout. The simple internal plate keeps this pack balanced on my hips. I was able to carry snowshoes or Nordic skis on the pack sides using the strips made for that purpose, and they stayed in place when tightly strapped.

Field Use

I've been using this pack constantly for one year (it replaced an old and now-inadequate day pack), which comes to about 70 day trips over that time. I needed a sturdy, roomy pack that could also take on a pair of snowshoes or Nordic skis for the combination hikes I sometimes do. Materials and construction had to be durable, last a long time, and provide comfort on the trail. Most of my hiking time is on established trails in the Colorado Rocky Mountains, with some off-trail hiking over rocks and scree, though brush, or over snow and ice. When some of the trails are rough, causing occasional slips and falls, my day pack needs to stay tight to my back and waist, and not tear or rip easily.

What I like best about this pack:
- big main compartment, with access from both the top and full side zipper
- large front pocket, big enough for maps, notebook, food, odds and ends
- comfortable padded hip belt with easy strap adjustments
- tops of shoulder straps are adjustable to pull pack away or toward the back
- I can quickly strap my hiking pole at one of two or three different places, depending on what else is on the pack
- my snowshoes or skis easily attach to the side straps built for that purpose
- extra gear can be attached on top with the straps provided
- inner pocket that easily fits my 3 L water bladder, plus covered tube exit (left or right)

REI advertises the Pinnacle as a "technical" pack suitable for carrying climbing gear - and although I am not a climber I appreciate all the versatility available in the many straps and attachment points on the top, sides, and bottom.

This pack will be a bit heavier than the "ultralights" now available, but I like knowing that I can set it down on the ground and not have to worry too much about it getting damaged under normal circumstances. We don't get a lot of rain in my part of Colorado, so I haven't been able to thoroughly test its waterproofness; however, the rolltop closure for the top compartment, covered zippers on the front, and good seams have kept out many snowfalls and some drizzles on the trail. (I do carry a separate raincover for the pack if needed.) I have not had any trouble with zippers, but I treat them gently and lubricate them from time to time to keep them running smoothly.

After approximately 350 trail miles (560 km), over approximately 70 hiking days, and carrying loads up to 20 pounds (9 kg), I have seen no significant signs of wear; all of the critical attachment areas (belt, shoulder straps) look good as new. There is one place near the bottom of the pack where the fabric abraded and needed to be patched, but that was my fault for not watching that spruce branch I ducked under! The hip belt has plenty of padding for me, as do the shoulder straps. The shoulder straps have a nice feature found on full-size backpacks: I can adjust the "lift" of the pack toward or away from my back, depending on the load I'm carrying; I've been keeping it in the middle position, which seems most comfortable for me. If I want to reduce pack weight, both the hip belt (via hook-and-loop) and the internal backplate are removable; I like both very much, so I'll be leaving them in. Even in our dry climate I sweat on a hot climb, but the pack allows some air flow between it and my back. I feel more moisture than with a mesh-suspension style, but for me that feature was not necessary. A detail that I really appreciated was that all of the buckles and straps work well with gloved hands, and shed snow easily so they are accessible at all times. Some of the buckles are the "cam" type that hold my straps tight without loosening while hiking.

Another feature I really like is the side-access zipper for the main compartment, which means I don't have to unroll the top and root around for stuff - I can just see grab it from the side. There are two large gear loops in the inside; I use one for hanging a small bag with things I only occasionally need, which keeps it out of the way of binoculars, gaiters, etc. There is a small zippered outside pocket just below the rolltop closure, which I use for a first-aid kit.

Attaching one or two collapsible hiking poles is very easy on this pack. There are two sets of three strap loops, each along the outer back of the pack sides (two with quick-release buckles, one with hook-and-loop) that allow me to stick the pole tip in the bottom strap and the pole top in either the top strap or hook-and-loop, tighten both, and the pole(s) stay snug while I walk or scramble over rocks and snow. There is enough length in the straps to accommodate both poles on one side if I need to (but I almost always hike with one pole only). I did add a small modification to the bottom strap: a short piece of shock cord that wraps around the pole tip to keep the pole from slipping down in case the straps work loose over time.

While not a primary consideration for me, I am happy with the color - light blue with yellow highlights. The only option on this pack is torso size, medium or large. By REI's method of measurement I was on the fence between them, so I opted for the large and it fits me well. (I am 5 ft 6 in (1.7 m) and of average build and torso)

I have made two customizations to my pack from the stock model. It comes with a small zippered pocket on the right-hand side of the hip belt, for items like a watch, lip balm, etc. Last winter I created an additional zippered pocket from ripstop material and attached it to the left side of the hip belt with hook-and-loop around the existing equipment hanger. The other modification is a pocket that goes inside the front compartment (the one with the vertical yellow zipper). I like to organize my smaller stuff such as pencils, notepad, and maps, keeping them separate from food. After sewing up a sleeve scavenged from an old pack, I used a combination of hook-and-loop and pop-rivets to attach it securely inside but easily accessible from the yellow zipper.

I am hard put to find any real defects or problems with the Pinnacle, but to be complete I'll mention a couple of minor issues. The elastic on the wand pocket seems to have relaxed a bit over the past year, but it still holds the dog's collapsible water bowl and her leash. Occasionally I can feel the carrying handle loop (at the top of the pack) at the back of my neck, but not often enough to be a problem for me. The quick-release buckles attached to the roll-top closure were sewn in opposite directions to each other, that is, the male and female parts are reversed, so if I release them by feel it can take a few extra seconds to do so.

Since I haven't purchased a new day pack for a long time I wasn't used to current prices, but at US$129 MSRP I am very happy with the quality and usefulness of the REI Pinnacle, and expect to be hiking with it for at least a decade, making it an excellent value. If any defects do turn up, the manufacturer (REI) is well-known for standing by their products with exchange, refund, or credit options.

Review By:

Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains

Review By:

Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains



This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.

Alex,

Thanks for keeping the ORs coming. A few edits in the standard BGT format: EDIT (all caps) a required change, Edit (initial cap) a suggested change or request for clarification, and Comment a comment, no change required.

After revising, you may upload to http://tinyurl.com/cakjmvd

Don't forget to delete your Tests/OR folder copy.

Cheers, Richard

###Shoe Size: 13 Mens###
EDIT: Replace with your jacket or sport coat size.

### I encounter elevation from 5,000 ft to 14,000 ft and temperatures from below 0 F to 90 F. ###
EDIT: Need metric and Celsius conversions.

###Measured Weight: 10.7 oz###
EDIT: Need metric conversion.
Edit: I'd indicate your size here. Up to you.

### Materials: 100% Polyester with DWR finish ###
Edit: Does SD give any indication about what's in the materials? If so, consider adding a sentence or two.

### The Sierra Designs Microlight Men's Jacket is a microlight waterproof wind stopping jacket that packs down to a very manageable size.###
Edit: wind-stopping (or windstopping)

###so that I could easily wear the jacket over multiple layers while on the long trail. ###
EDIT: If it's the trail named the Long Trail, then "Long Trail." Otherwise OK.

### The hood has two drawstrings that can be cinched tightly to secure it on my head when the outside conditions would rather see me go without the head coverage. ###
Edit: I find this sentence a bit awkward. "Outside conditions" can't see anything. Consider "when the outside conditions dictate no head coverage."

### The word microlight is also embroidered on the jacket down near the left wrist cuff. ###
EDIT: Words as words – "microlight" in this sentence - should be set off with quotation marks or italics.

###Near the rear neck line there is a small loop ###
Edit: neckline [one word]

###I have carried this jacket on numerous backpacking trips throughout Arizona and most recently in northern Colorado. ###
EDIT: Please add an estimate of days worn or carried, or a time span (e g, the past two years).

### and the elevation ranged from 5,400 ft to 9,453 ft (1,646 m to 2,909 m). ###
Edit: If the Imperial is an estimate, consider rounding off the metric (here, 1650 m). If exact, such as a summit, be exact. Here and elsewhere in your Review.

### and temperatures have ranged widely from 45 F to 105 F (7 C to 42 C).###
EDIT: (7 C to 41 C)

### Some of the similar jackets I have worn pack down a lot smaller, but are also much more thin and not as strong feeling.###
EDIT: much thinner

### I have felt 40 mph gusts that didn't bother me much. ###
EDIT: Need the metric conversion.

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Joe,

Another excellent review, including very illustrative photos. Edits below in the standard BGT format: EDIT (all caps) a required change, Edit (initial cap) a suggested change or request for clarification, and Comment a comment, no change required.

After revising, you may upload to http://tinyurl.com/d58vueq

Don't forget to delete your Tests/OR folder copy.

Cheers, Richard

Gregory Denali Pro

### by Joe Schaffer
OWNER REVIEW ###
EDIT: Either reverse these lines ("OWNER REVIEW" on top) or one line (OWNER REVIEW by Joe Schaffer)

### author and Denali Pro TESTER INFORMATION:###
EDIT: Author [initial cap]
EDIT: REVIEWER INFORMATION [This is an Owner Review, not a Test Report]

### I work occasionlly at an outdoor store. ###
EDIT: occasionally [spelling]

###Product Description:###
Comment: I thought this section one of the best I've seen in quite a while – everything a buyer would want to know and no unnecessary information.

### logging about 3 miles (5 k) ###
EDIT: (5 km) [Same change in two other places.

### where I'd set it down and start it sliding off the icey flat. ###
EDIT: icy flat [spelling]

### With an 80L bag I have to tie that and a bunch of other stuff outside--axe, helmet, shovel; as exemplified by my buddy's 80L bag in the picture; both of us carring the same weight. ###
EDIT: Need the Imperial conversion for 80L
EDIT: carrying the same weight [spelling]

### If I'm going to have a coronary lugging this collossus, ###
EDIT: colossus [spelling]

### With warm bare fingers I can get a snack out of the mesh pockDenali frontet, but getting ###

### I could agree that using it as a summit bag compares to carrying a back hoe
for a toilet trowel.###
Comment: Wonderful comparison!

### It sure feels good all the time and I'm not carrying extra pounds (1 kg) for a pinchey day pack. ###
EDIT/Edit: I think it's spelled "pinchy"

### I may not stay fixed on intending it as a summit bag where those 5 extra pounds (2.5 kg) could be the straw that does the evil deed.###
Comment: Could you use the detached lid as your summit pack? That's what I do with my monster pack, a Mystery Ranch BDSB.

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Hi Ray,

Thanks for your suggestions - I'm glad to see a site that pays attention
to careful and clear writing.

I've made all of your edits, plus a few more as follows:

- Revised first sentence of Product Description, and added new sentence at end specifying this review for the M size
- Added new paragraph on minor issues (near bottom of Field Use)
- Revised last sentence of first paragraph Field Use
- change "most" to "many" in Product Description "The extras not found on many day packs..."
- in list of "What I Like Best", change "top" to plural "- tops of shoulder straps..."
- Revised second sentence in paragraph about attaching poles in Field Use "It comes with a small zippered pocket..."
- Added new paragraph about attaching poles in Field Use
- changed numerals to words in various places

I uploaded new HTML, calling it "REPOST OR - REI Pinnacle 35
daypack - Bob Dorenfeld", instead of replacing the original. Is that
correct?

Regards,
~Bob

REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL DAYPACK
BY Bob Dorenfeld
OR
April 15, 2013

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Bob Dorenfeld
EMAIL: geartestatsageandsprucedotnet
AGE: 55
LOCATION: Salida, Colorado, USA
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 5' 6" (1.68 m)
WEIGHT: 150 lb (68.00 kg)

I'm an active hiker, snowshoer, skier (Nordic & alpine), backpacker. I live at 7000 ft (2134 m) in the Southern Colorado Rockies where most of my activities are between 7000 ft (2134 m) and 14000 ft (4200 m). I'll do day hikes from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km), which can range up to 5000 ft (1500 m) of elevation change. I carry up to 20 lb (9 kg) on day hikes, about 45 lb (20 kg) on backpacks. Overnights are usually from one to three nights. Often I hike off-trail on some challenging talus or scree, snowfields, or through scrub or willow brakes, with occasional bouldering.

Product Information

Manufacturer: REI, Inc.
Year of Manufacture: 2012
Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.rei.com" LINK TEXT = "REI, Inc.">>
MSRP: US$129.00
Listed Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Measured Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Option: Available in M or L torso size
Gear capacity: 2134 in^3 (35 L)
Material(s): High tenacity nylon/oxford nylon
Pack loading: Top
Pack access: Top/Side
Number of exterior pockets: 4 plus main compartment
Dimensions: 22.5 in x 12 in x 8 in (57 cm x 30.5 cm x 20.3 cm)
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 front" IMAGE CAPTION = "Photos: REI">> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 back">>
<<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.rei.com" LINK TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 Daypack">>

Product Description

This pack is made of "high tenacity nylon/oxford nylon", as Recreational Equipment, Inc. (REI) calls it. It has padded hip and shoulder straps, water bladder sleeve and tube port, a wand pocket for small items, and compression straps. The extras not found on many day packs include removable hipbelt and internal frameplate to save weight, molded foam back panel adds comfort for a heavy load, roll-top closure for weather resistance, side zipper for easy access to the main compartment, internal gear loops, and many exterior loops and attachment points (including ski/snowshoe straps). There is also a pair of removable rope (or other gear) straps for the top of the pack. The accompanying pictures illustrate most of these features. This review is for the Medium torso size (but pack is also available in Large).

Review Summary

This day or small overnight pack has met or exceeded all of my expectations. I use it for short and long day trips on all kinds of trail and off-trail conditions, carrying extra gear when needed. The shoulder and waist straps are easily adjusted, there are lots of convenient attachment points and straps, and the ski/snowshoe side-straps worked great. Materials are durable and extra stitching is apparent throughout. The simple internal plate keeps this pack balanced on my hips. I was able to carry snowshoes or Nordic skis on the pack sides using the strips made for that purpose, and they stayed in place when tightly strapped.

Field Use

I've been using this pack constantly for one year (it replaced a 12 year old daypack that has seen better times), which comes to about 70 day trips over that time. I needed a sturdy, roomy pack that could also take on a pair of snowshoes or Nordic skis for those combination hikes I sometimes do. Materials and construction had to be durable, last a long time, and provide comfort on the trail. Most of my hiking time is on established trails in the Colorado Rocky Mountains, with some off-trail hiking over rocks and scree, though brush, or over snow and ice. When some of the trails are rough, causing occasional slips and falls, my day pack needs to stay tight to my back and waist, and not tear or rip easily.

What I like best about this pack:
- big main compartment, with access from both the top and full side zipper
- large front pocket, big enough for maps, notebook, food, odds and ends
- comfortable padded hip belt with easy strap adjustments
- tops of shoulder straps are adjustable to pull pack away or toward the back
- I can quickly strap my hiking pole at one of two or three different places, depending on what else is on the pack
- my snowshoes or skis easily attach to the side straps built for that purpose
- extra gear can be attached on top with the straps provided
- inner pocket that easily fits my 3 L water bladder, plus covered tube exit (left or right)

REI advertises the Pinnacle as a "technical" pack suitable for carrying climbing gear - and although I am not a climber I appreciate all the versatility available in the many straps and attachment points on the top, sides, and bottom.

This pack will be a bit heavier than the "ultralights" now available, but I like knowing that I can set it down on the ground and not have to worry too much about it getting damaged under normal circumstances. We don't get a lot of rain in my part of Colorado, so I haven't been able to thoroughly test its waterproofness; however, the rolltop closure for the top compartment, covered zippers on the front, and good seams have kept out many snowfalls and some drizzles on the trail. (I do carry a separate raincover for the pack if needed.) I have not had any trouble with zippers, but I treat them gently and lubricate them from time to time to keep them running smoothly.

After approximately 350 trail miles (560 km), over approximately 70 hiking days, and carrying loads up to 20 pounds (9 kg), I have seen no significant signs of wear; all of the critical attachment areas (belt, shoulder straps) look good as new. There is one place near the bottom of the pack where the fabric abraded and needed to be patched, but that was my fault for not watching that spruce branch I ducked under! The hip belt has plenty of padding for me, as do the shoulder straps. The shoulder straps have a nice feature found on full-size backpacks: I can adjust the "lift" of the pack toward or away from my back, depending on the load I'm carrying; I've been keeping it in the middle position, which seems most comfortable for me. If I want to reduce pack weight, both the hip belt (via hook-and-loop) and the internal backplate are removable; I like both very much, so I'll be leaving them in. Even in our dry climate I sweat on a hot climb, but the pack allows some air flow between it and my back. I feel more moisture than with a mesh-suspension style, but for me that feature was not necessary. A detail that I really appreciated was that all of the buckles and straps work well with gloved hands, and shed snow easily so they are accessible at all times. Some of the buckles are the "cam" type that hold my straps tight without loosening while hiking.

Another feature I really like is the side-access zipper for the main compartment, which means I don't have to unroll the top and root around for stuff - I can just see grab it from the side. There are two large gear loops in the inside; I use one for hanging a small bag with things I only occasionally need, which keeps it out of the way of binoculars, gaiters, etc. There is a small zippered outside pocket just below the rolltop closure, which I use for a first-aid kit.

Attaching one or two collapsible hiking poles is very easy on this pack. There are two sets of three strap loops, each along the outer back of the pack sides (two with quick-release buckles, one with hook-and-loop) that allow me to stick the pole tip in the bottom strap and the pole top in either the top strap or hook-and-loop, tighten both, and the pole(s) stay snug while I walk or scramble over rocks and snow. There is enough length in the straps to accommodate both poles on one side if I need to (but I almost always hike with one pole only). I did add a small modification to the bottom strap: a short piece of shock cord that wraps around the pole tip to keep the pole from slipping down in case the straps work loose over time.

While not a primary consideration for me, I am happy with the color - light blue with yellow highlights. The only option on this pack is torso size, medium or large. By REI's method of measurement I was on the fence between them, so I opted for the large and it fits me well. (I am 5 ft 6 in (1.7 m) and of average build and torso)

I have made two customizations to my pack from the stock model. It comes with a small zippered pocket on the right-hand side of the hip belt, for items like a watch, lip balm, etc. Last winter I created an additional zippered pocket from ripstop material and attached it to the left side of the hip belt with hook-and-loop around the existing equipment hanger. The other modification is a pocket that goes inside the front compartment (the one with the vertical yellow zipper). I like to organize my smaller stuff such as pencils, notepad, and maps, keeping them separate from food. After sewing up a sleeve scavenged from an old pack, I used a combination of hook-and-loop and pop-rivets to attach it securely inside but easily accessible from the yellow zipper.

I am hard put to find any real defects or problems with the Pinnacle, but to be complete I'll mention a couple of minor issues. The elastic on the wand pocket seems to have relaxed a bit over the past year, but it still holds the dog's collapsible water bowl and her leash. Occasionally I can feel the carrying handle loop (at the top of the pack) at the back of my neck, but not often enough to be a problem for me. The quick-release buckles attaching to the roll-top closure were sewn in opposite directions to each other, that is, the male and female parts are reversed, so if I release them by feel it can take a few extra seconds to do so.

Since I haven't purchased a new day pack for a long time I wasn't used to current prices, but at US$129 MSRP I am very happy with the quality and usefulness of the REI Pinnacle, and expect to be hiking with it for at least a decade, making it an excellent value. If any defects do turn up, the manufacturer (REI) is well-known for standing by their products with exchange, refund, or credit options.

Review By:

Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains



This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.

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http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/Outdoor%20Products-Backpackers%20Tarp/
Outdoor PRODUCTS -Backpackers TarpBY KEN TOPLISSORMay 01, 2013 TESTER INFORMATION NAME: Ken ToplissEMAIL: kvtopliss-aTXHyhIPZKbHhMhVa4Fong@public.gmane.org: 57LOCATION: Canon City, Colorado, USAGENDER: MHEIGHT: 5' 8" (1.73 m)WEIGHT: 170 lb (77.10 kg) Backpacking has been my passion for all of my adult life. My trips are primarily in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. I have trekked National Parks in the western United States with extensive time in Yellowstone, Glacier, Olympic, and Mount Rainier. I trek year round. Each trip is one or two nights. I do two one week long trips each year. I prefer ultra light packing, but allow myself creature comforts such as a self inflating pad. I spend about 40 nights a year in the back country. I trek solo or with one or two friend s,and my black lab.
PRODUCT INFORMATION Manufacturer: Outdoor ProductsYear of Manufacture: Not listedManufacturer's Website: www.outdoorproducts.comMSRP: Not listed but I paid $6.99 (US) at WalmartListed Weight: Not listedMeasured Weight: 7.8 oz (221.1 g)Other details: Measures 5 ft by 7 ft (1.52 m by 2.13 m)Material: Water resistant urethane coated fabric<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "Tarp in pouch">>
FIELD CONDITIONS AND PRODUCT PERFORMANCE I purchased this tarp because I needed a ground cloth for a new tarp tent. I wanted something light and inexpensive. I have used the tarp on three trips for a total of 4 nights on both dry ground and on snow. It is well made for an inexpensive product. I was going to use Tyvek but found this tarp light, easy to pack, and most of all it did not make a lot of noise. It is listed by the manufacturer as water resistant. I found that moisture did not penetrate through the tarp even when I slept on it on snow covered ground. These trips were done in March and April in the Greenhorn Mountains of Southern Colorado. Temperatures varied from a nighttime low of 28F (15.56C) to a daytime high of 74F (23.33C). Everywhere I went the ground was wet.
I found the overall performance to be very satisfactory for an inexpensive product. The tarp kept out moisture all night while I slept on it. One night the ground was wet and muddy. In the morning exposure to the sun allowed the tarp to dry quickly. Residue and mud from the ground were easily removed with brushing after the tarp was dry. The tarp has three grommets on each long side. These were useful for staking the tarp down in the tent. I am an active sleeper and the tarp never shifted or buckled up.
One night the tarp was pitched on very rocky ground with nothing under it. My black lab and I were both on top of it the entire night. A careful examination of the urethane coating in the morning, and after all four nights, did not show any signs of wear to either the tarp or the urethane finish.
The tarp comes in a small pouch. It is a bit of a struggle to fold the tarp so that it will go back in the pouch, even though I was able to do it. I found that storing it in a sandwich baggie worked better. The pouch has a drawstring and can be used for other small items. When I originally removed the tarp from the pouch there were threads hanging from one seam of the pouch, which made the durability suspect. I used a lighter to shrink the threads and had no problems with the pouch falling apart.
I played with the tarp when not sleeping on it. I used it to sit on and to place equipment on to avoid contact with the muddy ground. I also used light cord to pitch it as a wind break. The shield was small and provided only marginal relief but in a pinch might well be a God send. The grommets are listed by the manufacturer as heavy duty but I believe they might tear in a heavy wind. I did not use it as such, however the tarp could be pitched as a small emergency shelter. The small size might not provide total protection but would shield most of the body. The tarp can be wrapped over and around you, even when wearing a pack, if you needed to sit out a rain storm or other weather. It could also be used as a small sun shield. The urethane coated side could be used to catch condensation o r rain if water was an issue. SUMMARY The Outdoor Products Backpackers Tarp represents a real bargain. It is not high tech and probably would not last more than a season or two with hard use. However, for the price of one dehydrated meal it will provide decent protection from the elements; something to sit on when the ground is wet; and a multitude of other uses limited only by the imagination. When day hiking it will provide light weight insurance against the elements, and will easily fit in a fanny pack. As a floor for my tarp tent it excelled. Everything else I used it for was a much appreciated bonus. This tarp is a genuine bargain for the price. THINGS I LIKE Light weightInexpensiveGood moisture barrier THINGS I DON'T LIKE Grommets appear weak SIGNATURE Ken Topliss This repo rt was created with the BGT Report Generator.Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.


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This is the official Owner Review Edit Queue Update. Any uploads done after 9:00 PM Pacific Time on 2 May, 2013 will not be noted until next week's update. If you have questions about the queue please feel free to ask.

Thank you.
Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director

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EDIT Team Members OOP (Out of Pocket)

RICHARD Apr 28 to May 11

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AWAITING EDIT

Bob Dorenfeld(1) - REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL Daypack - Posted Apr 18 (msg#82088),

Alex Legg - Sierra Designs Microlight Jacket - Men's - Posted Apr 18 (msg#82092),

Joe Schaffer - Gregory Denali Pro - Posted Apr 22 (msg#82094),

Davis Meschke(M)(1) - Vasque Breeze GTX Hiking Boots - Posted Apr 23 (msg#82097), awaiting Mentor approval, Repost Apr 25(82110),

Wyatt Freeman(1) - CamelBak Cloudwalker Review - Posted May 2 (msg#82114),

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TAKEN BY AN EDITOR/EDITED

RICHARD - James Dillion Asher Jr.(1) - SealLine Boundary Pack- 115L – Posted Mar 30 (msg#82039), Taken Apr 3, Edit Apr 4 (82057), Repost Apr 9, Edit Apr 10 (82064), Repost Apr 14, Edit-Picture request Apr 15(82084)

RICHARD - Jaco-Chris Koorts(1) - Cape Union Mart Advance 85 hiking backpack - Posted Apr 5 (msg#82059 & 82059), Taken Apr 13, Edit Apr 13(82080),

RAY - Kendall Story(1) - SALOMON QUEST 4D GTX HIKING BOOTS W – Posted Apr 12 (msg#82068), Taken Apr 25, Edit Apr 25,

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REVIEWS ON HOLD

RAY – BP - Adam Albertson(1) - OSPREY AETHER 70L Pack - Posted Jan 8(81889), Taken Jan 16, Referred to mentoring Jan 16(81913),
Adam Albertson(2) - TNFACE Tundra 20 F bag - Posted Dec 18 (msg#81823),

BP - Ben Hawley - BIG AGNES Fly Creek UL 3 – Posted Feb 17 (msg#81972), On hold pending use clarification as of Feb 19, Revised Feb 20, On hold as of Mar 2

Mike Deckard(1) - Osprey Stratos 24 Pack – Posted Mar 5(msg#82008), On hold pending use clarification as of Mar 8, Revised Mar 10, On hold pending more field use

James Dillion Asher Jr.(2) - Sea To Summit X-Cup - Posted Mar 30 (msg#82042), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1,

James Dillion Asher Jr.(3) - Dakine Cyclone Roll-Top Pack 36L - Posted Mar 31 (msg#82043), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1&2,

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NOT ADDED to the Queue at this time

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EDITED OR APPROVED; WAITING FOR WRITER'S ACTION

RICHARD - Adam Albertson(1) - OR men's VERGLAS GAITER – Posted Mar 8 (msg#82011), Taken Mar 22, Edit Mar 22(82023), Follow-up sent May 2,

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