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Brian Henson | 2 Dec 2007 16:13
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Why autistics are SO different...from each other!

One concept that keeps coming up again and again,
and that is the concept that there must be something
"common" to autistics--that they must have an area
of concern, idea, perspective, outlook, or basis of
thought that is common to all of them.

Nothing could be further from autistics.

In all the groups that I have encountered, the most 
flagrant opposition to my ideas and descriptions have
come from (you probably guessed it): persons on the
autistic spectrum.

Each one is so unique, so different in outlook, wants,
needs, emotional attachments, communication methods, timing,
interests, etc., etc., etc....

That is why, so far, I have had no oppotunity to enter a
group of autistics (even in the online forums) and find any
type of comraderie anywhere. When I describe things that are
important to my life, the sparks begin, as others say that 
they find something completely unrelated to be of importance
to them, and many of these autistics have used disparaging
language (such as "you sound like you are 'superior' to 
others") to downplay anything that I have posted.

While I try to respect the personal views of each of these
autistics, I am still lost as to why they feel that I am 
"out to get them"? Why do they feel that, by describing how,
my life, as an autistic, has developed over the years, that
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Tom Smith | 2 Dec 2007 18:31
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Re: Why autistics are SO different...from each other!

Well, it's kind of hard to know what's happening without seeing the
discussions where this is happening.

Tom

--- Brian Henson <bhenson <at> bfree.on.ca> wrote:

> One concept that keeps coming up again and again,
> and that is the concept that there must be something
> "common" to autistics--that they must have an area
> of concern, idea, perspective, outlook, or basis of
> thought that is common to all of them.
> 
> Nothing could be further from autistics.
> 
> In all the groups that I have encountered, the most 
> flagrant opposition to my ideas and descriptions have
> come from (you probably guessed it): persons on the
> autistic spectrum.
> 
> Each one is so unique, so different in outlook, wants,
> needs, emotional attachments, communication methods, timing,
> interests, etc., etc., etc....
> 
> That is why, so far, I have had no oppotunity to enter a
> group of autistics (even in the online forums) and find any
> type of comraderie anywhere. When I describe things that are
> important to my life, the sparks begin, as others say that 
> they find something completely unrelated to be of importance
> to them, and many of these autistics have used disparaging
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Tom Smith | 2 Dec 2007 19:36
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AWETISM...Re: Re: "strong stand"

I'm catching up on missed posts...

Yes Brian, autism is truly AWE-TISM.

Let's count the ways, and any of you auties out there please comment or
let me know where I'm right or wrong.

1.  Autistics are VERY bright meaning having an above average IQ to
genius with the "lower" functioning actually being "higher" functioning
in terms of IQ.

2.  The same applies to creativity.

3.  As part of this extraordinary brain power and creativity, the
auties most disconnected with their bodies (lower functioning) also
have extrasensory, or paranormal, abilities, the most important of
which they want us to know about being TELEPATHY.

4.  The above three characteristics combined gives them wisdom and
knowledge unknown to living man until now, except possibly the iconic
symbol of this sort of thing...Jesus.

Anyone want to amend or add any characteristics of awetism?

Tom

--- Brian Henson <bhenson <at> bfree.on.ca> wrote:

> And ONE place where Tom would take the strongest stand in 
> the universe is in supporting FC! Isn't that true, Tom?
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Brian Henson | 2 Dec 2007 20:17
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Re: Why autistics are SO different...from each other!

It's happening everywhere, Tom, not just in a few "groups". 

That's what this topic is about, why autistics are so different
from each other, not about a particular list or web site on
the internet, but even in person-to-person contacts, as well,
as at conferences where "noted" speakers include autistics...

I guess that's why there has not been any solid autistic support
group anywhere--online or otherwise--run by autistics, themselves,
as they just could not "agree to disagree" without withdrawing
from the pack, or slamming the other for making "rancid" suggestions. 
Their differences are nothing but wedges in human interaction, and
people looking on would often ask the question of why two autistics
could not "get along" together...

If two autistics ever got into politics together, there sure 
would be fireworks every moment between them, as neither could
accept the proposals of the other one iota! Compromise is seen
as a "caving in" to the "flaming" of the other. It's far, far
easier just to remain in one's own "world", oblivious to others,
as that way, there is no need for change, growth, and development.
Any attempt at "change" by another autistic is seen as a pure
example of "invasion" into one's personal choices about any and
all areas of life...

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Well, it's kind of hard to know what's happening without seeing the
> discussions where this is happening.
>
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Sharisa Joy Kochmeister | 2 Dec 2007 21:50
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Re: Why autistics are SO different...from each other!

We are ALL human beings, not cookie cutter people, yet there are some
commonalities... sensory, motor, etc.  Food for thought?

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Brian Henson" <bhenson <at> ...> wrote:
>
> One concept that keeps coming up again and again,
> and that is the concept that there must be something
> "common" to autistics--that they must have an area
> of concern, idea, perspective, outlook, or basis of
> thought that is common to all of them.
> 
> Nothing could be further from autistics.
> 
> In all the groups that I have encountered, the most 
> flagrant opposition to my ideas and descriptions have
> come from (you probably guessed it): persons on the
> autistic spectrum.
> 
> Each one is so unique, so different in outlook, wants,
> needs, emotional attachments, communication methods, timing,
> interests, etc., etc., etc....
> 
> That is why, so far, I have had no oppotunity to enter a
> group of autistics (even in the online forums) and find any
> type of comraderie anywhere. When I describe things that are
> important to my life, the sparks begin, as others say that 
> they find something completely unrelated to be of importance
> to them, and many of these autistics have used disparaging
> language (such as "you sound like you are 'superior' to 
> others") to downplay anything that I have posted.
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Sharisa Joy Kochmeister | 2 Dec 2007 21:52
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AWETISM...Re: Re: "strong stand"

That's still the cookie-cutter approach, Tom... we should all be seen
as unique individuals, as should YOU before listing what NT's like
yourself perceive as common ground.

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim <at> ...> wrote:
>
> I'm catching up on missed posts...
> 
> Yes Brian, autism is truly AWE-TISM.
> 
> Let's count the ways, and any of you auties out there please comment or
> let me know where I'm right or wrong.
> 
> 1.  Autistics are VERY bright meaning having an above average IQ to
> genius with the "lower" functioning actually being "higher" functioning
> in terms of IQ.
> 
> 2.  The same applies to creativity.
> 
> 3.  As part of this extraordinary brain power and creativity, the
> auties most disconnected with their bodies (lower functioning) also
> have extrasensory, or paranormal, abilities, the most important of
> which they want us to know about being TELEPATHY.
> 
> 4.  The above three characteristics combined gives them wisdom and
> knowledge unknown to living man until now, except possibly the iconic
> symbol of this sort of thing...Jesus.
> 
> Anyone want to amend or add any characteristics of awetism?
>
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Sharisa Joy Kochmeister | 2 Dec 2007 21:54
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Re: Blog...ity, blogity, blog


Really, Char, my dear friend - time spent learning is always time
well-spent.

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, Char Brandl <charbfc <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Great idea - How many others here have blogs we might enjoy?  I
haven't yet found the time to join in, but it sounds like fun.  Just
what I DON'T need - a reason to spend more time at the computer!    
And could someone give me the link to Tink's blog?
>   
> Thanks!
>   Char
> 
> Carolyn King <thinkingabilities <at> ...> wrote:
>             Thanks I will check out the blogs...your's, Sharisa's
and Tink's....
>    
>   Carolyn, who is very new to Blogs!
> 
> Tom Smith <qim <at> ...> wrote:
>       I don't like blogs for a variety of reasons but in your case
it's just
> that I don't have time to navigate around or just forget. Is there a
> chance you could forward your entries here? We don't do advertising if
> that's any comfort plus it would regularly advertise your blog. Then
> when you make it big you can stop posting them here and get all the
> advertising money <smile> I'm kidding of course and will soon start my
> own blog that has video and audio.
>
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Sharisa Joy Kochmeister | 2 Dec 2007 21:54
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Re: Why autistics are SO different...from each other!

I welcome invasions...

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Brian Henson" <bhenson <at> ...> wrote:
>
> It's happening everywhere, Tom, not just in a few "groups". 
> 
> That's what this topic is about, why autistics are so different
> from each other, not about a particular list or web site on
> the internet, but even in person-to-person contacts, as well,
> as at conferences where "noted" speakers include autistics...
> 
> I guess that's why there has not been any solid autistic support
> group anywhere--online or otherwise--run by autistics, themselves,
> as they just could not "agree to disagree" without withdrawing
> from the pack, or slamming the other for making "rancid" suggestions. 
> Their differences are nothing but wedges in human interaction, and
> people looking on would often ask the question of why two autistics
> could not "get along" together...
> 
> If two autistics ever got into politics together, there sure 
> would be fireworks every moment between them, as neither could
> accept the proposals of the other one iota! Compromise is seen
> as a "caving in" to the "flaming" of the other. It's far, far
> easier just to remain in one's own "world", oblivious to others,
> as that way, there is no need for change, growth, and development.
> Any attempt at "change" by another autistic is seen as a pure
> example of "invasion" into one's personal choices about any and
> all areas of life...
> 
>
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Sharisa Joy Kochmeister | 2 Dec 2007 21:56
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Re: Why autistics are SO different...from each other!

And am trying to make Autcom more open & accepting & idea-oriented.

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Sharisa Joy Kochmeister"
<sharisajoy <at> ...> wrote:
>
> I welcome invasions...
> 
> 
> --- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Brian Henson" <bhenson <at> > wrote:
> >
> > It's happening everywhere, Tom, not just in a few "groups". 
> > 
> > That's what this topic is about, why autistics are so different
> > from each other, not about a particular list or web site on
> > the internet, but even in person-to-person contacts, as well,
> > as at conferences where "noted" speakers include autistics...
> > 
> > I guess that's why there has not been any solid autistic support
> > group anywhere--online or otherwise--run by autistics, themselves,
> > as they just could not "agree to disagree" without withdrawing
> > from the pack, or slamming the other for making "rancid" suggestions. 
> > Their differences are nothing but wedges in human interaction, and
> > people looking on would often ask the question of why two autistics
> > could not "get along" together...
> > 
> > If two autistics ever got into politics together, there sure 
> > would be fireworks every moment between them, as neither could
> > accept the proposals of the other one iota! Compromise is seen
> > as a "caving in" to the "flaming" of the other. It's far, far
> > easier just to remain in one's own "world", oblivious to others,
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Sharisa Joy Kochmeister | 2 Dec 2007 22:03
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Autism

A mystery - a dilemma - a puzzle - an enigma - a conundrum - a curse
- a gift - a "disease" in need of a "cure" - CURE HAM, TREAT PEOPLE!
I do NOT have a DISEASE - I have DIS-abilities as well as ABILITIES
that cause UNEASE - generally to others! Please feel free to discuss,
challenge, comment, prognosticate, pontificate, define, etc.

Sharisa Joy Kochmeister, President of AUTCOM, but first and FOREMOST
and ALWAYS a HUMAN BEING with HUMAN NEEDS, EMOTIONS, DESIRES and
FRUSTRATIONS!
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