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Tink | 1 Jun 2006 17:52
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RE: Re: Behaviorism roots - autism - brain research

Funny thing happened on the way to bountiful  ....  (more below) (kind of
long, but we decided to tell everyone what happened here over the past 10
days since we started writing about CAN, DOD, ABA.)  I always feel the need
to present scenarios so as not to sound like a raving paranoid.  It sounds
like it anyway, so bombs away!

-----Original Message-----
From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of remarksman
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:31 PM
To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Autismlist] Re: Behaviorism roots - autism - brain research

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Tink" <tink.le <at> ...> wrote:
>
>
> In following up some of the commentary, especially related to the
brain and> "disease" model, I wanted to review some things we've previously
discussed> on this list.
>
> What do we think about some of these ideas and some of the brain
research> ongoing?
>
> We know that some of the NIMH initiative grants have assisted
entities such> as M.I.T./others in development & design of augmentative and
access devices> for some disabilities.  This is great.  On the other hand,
some of
the> groups there and mentioned below do have a history of being
involved in what> could be called unethical and maybe nefarious research
elements(as
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Tom Smith | 2 Jun 2006 00:09
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RE: Re: Behaviorism roots - autism - brain research

All I can say is that it is a good thing I'm connected to the world
proxy of UCSB.  Poor UCSB.

Erotica Tink?  What a hoot.

[Tom skipping off to listen to XM Radio]

Tom's favorite new pop tune..."Talk" by Coldplay

Tom

--- Tink <tink.le <at> comcast.net> wrote:

> Funny thing happened on the way to bountiful  ....  (more below)
> (kind of
> long, but we decided to tell everyone what happened here over the
> past 10
> days since we started writing about CAN, DOD, ABA.)  I always feel
> the need
> to present scenarios so as not to sound like a raving paranoid.  It
> sounds
> like it anyway, so bombs away!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of remarksman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:31 PM
> To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Autismlist] Re: Behaviorism roots - autism - brain research
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remarksman | 2 Jun 2006 06:52
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Re: Behaviorism roots - autism - brain research

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Tink" <tink.le <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Funny thing happened on the way to bountiful  ....  (more below) 
(kind of
> long, but we decided to tell everyone what happened here over the 
past 10
> days since we started writing about CAN, DOD, ABA.)  I always feel 
the need
> to present scenarios so as not to sound like a raving paranoid.  
It sounds
> like it anyway, so bombs away!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of remarksman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:31 PM
> To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Autismlist] Re: Behaviorism roots - autism - brain 
research
> 
> 
> --- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Tink" <tink.le <at> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > In following up some of the commentary, especially related to the
> brain and> "disease" model, I wanted to review some things we've 
previously
> discussed> on this list.
> >
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Tom Smith | 2 Jun 2006 21:05
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Fwd: Great job opportunity

I thought you'd enjoy this Tink.  Know someone for the job?

Tom

--- Mary Cerreto <Mcerreto <at> aol.com> wrote:

> Date:         Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:47:36 EDT
> From:         Mary Cerreto <Mcerreto <at> aol.com>
> Subject: Great job opportunity
> To:           PSYCH-DD <at> LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
> 
> -------------------------------1149248856
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> I have been contacted by a head hunter working on behalf of a superb,
>  large
> Massachusetts provider.  The provider provides the entire range  of
> services
> for children and adults with disabilities.  They are looking  for
> someone to
> run their school.  The school serves predominantly children  with
> autism and
> other severe behavior concerns.  Psychologist or educator  with
> appropriate
> background experiences and a solid commitment and  qualifications in
> ABA.  Those
> who do not eat, breathe and sleep ABA need  not apply!  Knowing this
> agency, I
> assume pay and benefits are high.   Contact me privately if you are
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Tom Smith | 2 Jun 2006 21:49
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Fwd: [AutDads] Worthwhile video


--- billrichmond4 <bill.richmond <at> behancom.com> wrote:
> 
> A professional-quality video of what it's like to live with a child
> with autism is online at the Autism Speaks site. It is about 10
> minutes long or so, and (I think) a pretty accurate potrayal, told
> directly by moms. I don't know why dads weren't included, but
> nonetheless, it's a dead-on sampling of what parents face. (By the
> way, I'm not suggesting anything one way or the other regarding
> Autism
> Speaks as an organization, I don't know enough about them to have an
> informed opinion.)
> The link to the video is:
> http://www.autismspeaks.org/sponsoredevents/autism_every_day.php
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Tink | 2 Jun 2006 21:48
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RE: Fwd: Great job opportunity

::::::QWERTY seizure::::::  Bombs away!

-----Original Message-----
From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Tom Smith
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:06 PM
To: Autismlist
Subject: [Autismlist] Fwd: Great job opportunity

I thought you'd enjoy this Tink.  Know someone for the job?

Tom

--- Mary Cerreto <Mcerreto <at> aol.com> wrote:

> Date:         Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:47:36 EDT
> From:         Mary Cerreto <Mcerreto <at> aol.com>
> Subject: Great job opportunity
> To:           PSYCH-DD <at> LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
>
> -------------------------------1149248856
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> I have been contacted by a head hunter working on behalf of a superb,
>  large
> Massachusetts provider.  The provider provides the entire range  of
> services
> for children and adults with disabilities.  They are looking  for
> someone to
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Tom Smith | 2 Jun 2006 22:10
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RE: Fwd: Great job opportunity


--- Tink <tink.le <at> comcast.net> wrote:

> ::::::QWERTY seizure::::::  Bombs away!

<smile>  I thought you'd like it.

Tom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Tom Smith
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:06 PM
> To: Autismlist
> Subject: [Autismlist] Fwd: Great job opportunity
> 
> 
> I thought you'd enjoy this Tink.  Know someone for the job?
> 
> Tom
> 
> --- Mary Cerreto <Mcerreto <at> aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Date:         Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:47:36 EDT
> > From:         Mary Cerreto <Mcerreto <at> aol.com>
> > Subject: Great job opportunity
> > To:           PSYCH-DD <at> LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
> >
> > -------------------------------1149248856
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Tink | 3 Jun 2006 19:21
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RE: Fwd: [AutDads] Worthwhile video


-----Original Message-----
From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Tom Smith
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:49 PM
To: autism2 <at> yahoogroups.com; Autismfc; Autismlist; Autismlist;
autismlist2 <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Autismlist] Fwd: [AutDads] Worthwhile video

--- billrichmond4 <bill.richmond <at> behancom.com> wrote:
>
> A professional-quality video of what it's like to live with a child
> with autism is online at the Autism Speaks site. It is about 10
> minutes long or so, and (I think) a pretty accurate potrayal, told
> directly by moms. I don't know why dads weren't included, but
> nonetheless, it's a dead-on sampling of what parents face. (By the
> way, I'm not suggesting anything one way or the other regarding
> Autism
> Speaks as an organization, I don't know enough about them to have an
> informed opinion.)
> The link to the video is:
> http://www.autismspeaks.org/sponsoredevents/autism_every_day.php
>
> Bill

**** maybe we can help Bill out.   First, is this an accurate portrayal of
"Autism speaking?"  I'll daresay no.  It's an accurate portrayal of mothers
grieving for what they've assumed they have "lost."  An accurate portrayal
of the consequences of going into a pregnancy with lack of understanding
that parenting is often not easy, simple, or a promise of anything other
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Tom Smith | 3 Jun 2006 22:05
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Re: Ethical dilemma


--- wmoore <wmoore <at> cinci.rr.com> wrote:

> Sounds like you were right on the money, Tom.
> 
> Good outcomes, I propose, boils down to good management.  

True, good management is half the battle.

> My guess is
> you
> could get right in there with direct staff and do the deal.  

I was training them all through my career...for free!

> I did
> when I
> managed staff.  Mutual respect develops.  Some staff just can't do it
> and
> you must address this, otherwise, good staff do not see you as
> viable.

Oh so very gently.

> Except that these systems can't tolerate good managers very long. 
> And I
> guess good managers can't continue as well, given that administrative
> types
> in this field are not exactly Fortune 500 material.
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Tom Smith | 4 Jun 2006 00:11
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Re: Fwd: [AutDads] Worthwhile video

--- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Tink" <tink.le <at> ...> wrote:
> 
> **** maybe we can help Bill out.   First, is this an accurate portrayal of
> "Autism speaking?"  I'll daresay no.  

Well...speaking as well as those parents were able to teach <smile>

> It's an accurate portrayal of mothers
> grieving for what they've assumed they have "lost."  An accurate portrayal
> of the consequences of going into a pregnancy with lack of understanding
> that parenting is often not easy, simple, or a promise of anything other
> than hard work!    Parenting complex children is often even less easy.    An
> accurate and clear portrayal of the fact that too much money goes into
> research and not enough into the every day supports needed to parent complex
> children.  It's an accurate portrayal of mothers who have walked to the edge
> based on lack of understanding, coping, and basic selfishness.  Yes.  I've
> been to that edge and speak from that experience.  Maybe it's time for NBC
> to make a perspective from parents who've been to the edge and come back
> with a more rational, holistic, and balanced perspective.   I see in this
> video, a selection of mothers who resent in each seething statement what
> *they* had to "give up."  

Well gee Tink, they're just women.

> I cried during this video.  Not for the parents.
> But, for those children who must somehow adjust and tolerate to living with
> parents who so misunderstand and resent their being.  

I cried at the end when they were being good moms instead of the usual "poor me" and 
"why doesn't anyone help us" type American Women.
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