Re: QUINS FAV NATIVE SAYINGS.
autisticdreaming <autisticdreaming <at> yahoo.com>
2006-03-02 02:12:43 GMT
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> Subject: [Autismlist] Re: QUINS FAV NATIVE SAYINGS.
> also tink, although they be a big batch with individual quirks and
> the such with different issues and strengths they near move like one
> unit. when you ask them their opinion about something you need only
> ask one. the psychologist really tripped out on this one. you need
> only ask what one thinks, and one will respond for ALL of them. one
> speaks for all. so when the psychologist asked another one the same
> question they would get impatient as she already received an answer
> and was being repetitive asking it again. and the speakers always
> talks for the non speakers. when she asked the dolphin out of two
> choices she wants either apple juice or orange juice. my neice
> in stating that she wants apple juice. the lady said she was asking
> the dolphin not my neice and wanted the dolphin to point or eye
> to what she wanted. my neice got frustrated and said again she wants
> apple juice, and stamped her foot. the lady asked the dolphin again
> what she wanted apple juice or orange juice. and my nephew walked
> over and gave the dolphin apple juice, which the dolphin guzzled
> down, and when he placed the orange juice closer the dolphin shoved
> it of the table. and my neice said. "i told you, lady. she wanted
> apple juice. you just dont listen too good."
> *** I know and you know; but, she seems like she was trying to give
> her own choice and voice. I hope more respectful than trying to
> "prove" anything. I understand what the other kids did and you do
> kids ... sometimes you just gotta let Dolphin give it a try when
> directly. moving and flowing as one - in unison - is still hard
> to wrap around. Give it to them maybe a little slower next time.
> this made the lady very intrigued as she tried to figure out if they
> knew what the other wanted or if the orthers merely agreed to the
> other. which wasn't the case because neither would decide a thing
> the other would not just agree to it. for example ask them what they
> want to eat, my eldest neice would specifics on how each one wants
> their meal prepared. who will only eat french fries whilst who wants
> mashed potatioes with gravy, and who wants it with only butter. when
> the psychologist was trying to determine if the one was merely
> agreeing to want the other wanted like some sort of heirachy. i
> she got her answer when my neice stamped her foot and said. no,
> stupid, if it was what i wanted i would have said orange juice, but
> you asks what she wanted and we tell you already it is apple juice."
> i don't know what the whole fuss was all about they've always been
> like that. only the lady found it very interesting and thought it
> strange how they even if at times they seemed unaware of each other
> as they moved about. you asked a question and as long as there was
> one talker the others didn't need to. also she noted they often
> to themselves as 'we' rather than i, as in we think this would be
> okay for us. or we think that's nice. or we rather not liking you
> right now. to which the lady corrected by saying "don't you mean you
> don't like me now, maybe your brother and sister like me." to which
> my non verbal nephew turned and kicked her and my youngest neice
> stuck her tongue out. the dolphin turned her face away. "no."
> repeated my neice, "WE meant we are ALL rather not liking you too
> much right now."
> it isn't the first time, peoples said we give them the creeps. like
> we children of the corn type on sci fi, we are so strange. i dont
> care much for myself but it worries me plenty our child peoples as
> peoples often attack that which they don't understand. and like
> someone said our kids seem strange enough by themselves, together
> they are off the grid.
> ***** look... I understand. I know they hear each other outside
> ... but guys --- I have to take the side of not bullying. And what
> did was a form of bullying this lady. Maybe she smelled weird or
> to be tricky or you just felt disbelieved. But, kicking - calling
> being mean is exactly what you wouldn't want to have happen to you.
> Children of the Corn were led by something wicked and followed a
> kind of "group think."
> It's not the "strangeness" of the movements in unison ... or even
> telepathy. It's probably people's recognition of soul power in a
> And if taken to a bullying form --- people are going to have those
> opinions reinforced. I know ... Orion & Sarah used to do this
with Ben a
> LOT! Speak for him. Sometimes they still do but he needs to have
> too. Maybe it's okay with Dolphin in certain situations to let her
> speak as one to include her. That's fine. And believe me ... Ben
> very bully-ish in some ways when he doesn't like someone or wants
> way. Fortunately, his angers are few and far between and those who
> hurt him are usually quickly forgiven. Anyway, That's the only
> gives me the creeps --- Going bully because they can. I've seen
> together when they're pushing an issue and it's quite the force.
> a good thing in some situations, and that's what's probably not
safe --- the
> forcefulness of the "one mind" pushing. Just remember not everyone
> believes all the way or even in part in group mind/soul. I'm not
> but just trying to see all around the trees ... and remembering some
> incidents that have occurred here with our little group. No matter
> level advanced, they're still children in emotion - psychology -
> expression. So, we have to try to have a firm leadership w/o
> overbearance. Yah. I'm running out of steam here, too.
lol ... sorry.
> If you think people get freaked out about how it works when they're
> together; just wait until you try to tell them that they do this
> they're in close proximity or not. lol
yeah tink, it was an impatience they had with the lady that made them
act in unison in such an alarming way. mostly she kept repeating the
same questions, and my neice is like me very tempermental and
volatile, and we all end up 'feeling' the same thing, irritation,
impatience. my eldest nephew is the voice of reason and clam when he
interrupted quickly and sharply, we all felt immediately ashamed. i
was also contributary as i did nothing to stop the lady from
getting 'jumped' i sort of allowed them to go at her without
interruption, so i was guilty of contributing by my inaction.
although Q was also growing impatient with the woman, he was not
without typing out "two wrongs don't make a right" to us. some of us
had been upset with her when she dissmissed Q's notes on what he
learned when he ran under the sun before the white man comes, his
children, he's tribe. she just pushed it away as a very vivid
imagination, only his stories are so very alive and real and no way
just a manifestation of imaginings from a eight year old boy. and i
know that something about what he wrote scared her, it scares
everybody it seems. i think she wished it was fc instead of
indepedent typing so she can blame it on something or someone else,
because stuff like that can't come from such a little boy.
what's frustrating is that he writes stuff and we're not supposed to
show anybody because it scares people. and you know what? i'm kinda
tired of keeping shut about things, or telling the child peoples to
keep shut about things because people just dont understand, and it's
hard to tell the kids that's the way it is, simply because thats the
way it is, because that's no real explanation and i never bought it
when it was told to me, nor do i feel comfortable dishing it out.
because it's part of who they are and if we are hiding it, the
message we are giving them is that it's somehow wrong. that theres
something wrong with them, with us. that we are doing something
or 'being' something wrong.
it's frustrating because there's no real outlet for these experiences
amongst the vocal autistic groups. like even amongst them we still
don't fit in. i mean if they determine 'this is autism and this is
not', as per autistics stating what autism is and isn't and shooting
down books that vibrate more our experiences are dissmissed by other
autistics as nonsensical and rubbish. i mean although in some areas
we can see where they relate to us but many more times we've no idea
where they are coming from and vice versa and so's they as autistics
can't represent us, as autistics, anymore than non-autistics can so
where do we fit in then? when even about autistics we are still so
very alien. i mean i asked Q, maybe we not autistic but indigo and
crystal people that the other people speaks about, and he types
simply "i am a complete autistic."
he is so calm and observing. and the lady dissmissing his notes
as "obviously too much television influence" made most of us very
unfriendly towards her. of course it takes more than this to offend
him although those of us more 'in the world' winced for him. i guess
maybe someday in some other arena we can move freely without the
doubts and fears of others. we are what we are despite what non
autistics say and moreso even despite what other autistics define as
what is and what isn't 'autism'. i think nothing was more still as
when the lady asked Q what he planned to do when he grew up, as he is
such a good writer and all. and he typed back. "nothing less than
transforming the face of this world is the goal."
point is there's no easy way for people to read that from a child and
not walk away uneasy. and so others have determined the best thing is
to tell Q not to write any more disturbing things, forget the fact
that EVERYTHING he types is disturbing to someone. that's why he's
with me now, tink, because he's writing is too damn unnerving and
mine brother doesn't know what to do. heck, we have to 'behave' and
view things a certain way just to fit in as 'autistics' these days.
isn't that a pickle? i mean when there was that time when autistics
rose up to portray 'the real voice as autism' in protest to 'the
voice of autism' by non autistics, i felt that they should have more
accurately state themselves as the real voice of a population of
autistics that can't in any way truly reflect the real voice of all
autistics not as long as we and many others like us are part of the
autism population and their voice ain't our voice or many others like
us living with and experiencing autism. i mean not that many of their
stuff isn't important and making headway for all of us on the issue
of intelligence and the such, but so much of where they are coming
from just don't reflect us at all. so either we're not autistic, or
there be different breeds and diversity amongst autistics that need
be recognized. and i think we do behave aggresively when it chokes
our need to express ourselves and somehow whatever we do it's always
wrong (to non autistics and to other autistics alike). and some poor
woman gets caught in the crossfire as she dreams dreams she doesn't
understand because she wanted us to fit a pretty picture she had made
up her mind about for us and we just didn't feel like fitting in
today thank you very much. and she left all shook up. because no
matter how much she tries to explain away her experience with us she
wont be able to.
And somehow i think we gonna be shaking up a lot more along the way.
> Hope Dolphin's doing okay with the school. Try not to see her
choice as a
> betrayal. It's not. She has other work to do just now. ko?
> ~*~ Tink
in this tink, yes, it's hard because i built this school for her, i
rounded the people up, made them see it was possible, got peoples to
spend the money, on an idea, on a dream that she ain't even part of
right now. and yet i do also know we are both where we need to be at
this point. doesn't mean i have to like it, but i do accept it. so i
accept it but will hang on to some resentment for a little bit,
because i'm a bit ornery that way, and it's part of my character
unfortunately. it's just takes a bigger person not to feel resentment
and i ain't that big yet..at the same time i do SEE that this will
have an affect in that classroom, she went in today and her teacher
pulled out big bright alphabet board. so.. there's goes the dolphin...