Tink | 22 Aug 2004 15:14
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RE: my dream last night.

hi Gareth~
IJ' (that's what Ben just added .. lol) (he came over and pushed my fingers
on the keyboard.)

I'm in no way or form a psychoanalyst or even a very good dream intepreter
but,
I was thinking about your dream.  Very vivid and emotional.   It made me
think of heroes - both needing one and needing to be one (not me
personally - but in general.)
And then the whole dream seemed like a modern-day version of some Greek
Epic!  Very tragic, but not without comedic elements.  ;o)

The ending reminded me of Romeo and Juliet and it brought tears to me!   And
just yesterday I read an essay by someone who calls himself "Zed" or the Zen
Priest.  The essay was on the myths of romantic love and was very
eye-opening.  If you might like to read it, I'll find the links.

Also, did you know that Tom's QIM writers call this earth and its
inhabitants the zoo?  There are some interesting documents floating around
on the "Language of Birds" ... but in reference to metaphysics rather than
actual birdies.
Well, I'm making a Sunday breakfast for the kids and have to run ... but
I'll get on later and write some more.   This is what I call a "floater"
dream .... it will float around in the brain recesses and insight will come
in bits.  Okay ... take care!
Blessings,
Tink

> -----Original Message-----
> From: leefree12002 [mailto:leefree1 <at> hotmail.com]
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Carolyn King | 22 Aug 2004 17:09
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Re: Anniversary


Janna,

Congratulations!

Carolyn

--- Janna Hoskin <TreatAutism <at> shaw.ca> wrote:

> So today, August 21, 2004, is my five-year
> anniversary of beginning to 
> work with autistic children.  Then, I was working
> solely within the ABA 
> paradigm.  Five years later, I've added sensory
> integration and a lot 
> more understanding to my tools.  I still love my
> work, and I have an 
> attainable goal.
> 
> I'm definitely not a 'radical behaviourist'.
> 
> I consider behaviourism to make the most sense out
> of all the theories 
> of psychology that I've read (we do things because
> they give us 
> something we like), but I recognise the variety of
> antecedents for our 
> behaviours.
> 
> A lot of my behaviours occur due to belief.  Not
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david_hoggan | 22 Aug 2004 19:13
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Carbone Workshop #1 August 26-28, 2004

Carbone Workshop #1 August 26-28, 2004

Dr. Vincent Carbone is coming to the DC area on August 26-28, 2004
to present an Introduction to Verbal Behavior Workshop.

The cost is $185 for this three day workshop.

Below is more information on the workshop. If you are interested
and have any questions, please email lnicklas at comcast.net or phone
703-715-2659.

Workshop #1: Introduction to Verbal Behavior

Teaching Communication Skills to Children with Autism and Other
Developmental Disabilities

A Three-day Workshop Presented by:
Vincent J. Carbone, Ed.D., Board Certified Behavior Analyst

Overview
This workshop focuses on the behavioral approach to teaching
communication skills to children with autism and other developmental
disabilities. This approach is based on B.F. Skinner's analysis of
verbal behavior and the research of Michael, Sundberg, Partington,
and others. Participants in this workshop learn (1) to conduct a
Behavioral Language Assessment, (2) to select the most appropriate
form of communication for a child (vocal, signing, pointing to or
exchanging pictures, or activating an augmentative device),
and (3) to select the communication responses and supporting skills
that should be taught first. The workshop includes the recommended
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C.Pipped | 22 Aug 2004 19:17

Re: Carbone Workshop #1 August 26-28, 2004

he's the guy who worked in all those correctional centres for boys all those
years
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david_hoggan" <hogganaut <at> hotmail.com>
To: <autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:13 PM
Subject: [Autismlist] Carbone Workshop #1 August 26-28, 2004

> Carbone Workshop #1 August 26-28, 2004
>
> Dr. Vincent Carbone is coming to the DC area on August 26-28, 2004
> to present an Introduction to Verbal Behavior Workshop.
>
> The cost is $185 for this three day workshop.
>
> Below is more information on the workshop. If you are interested
> and have any questions, please email lnicklas at comcast.net or phone
> 703-715-2659.
>
>
> Workshop #1: Introduction to Verbal Behavior
>
> Teaching Communication Skills to Children with Autism and Other
> Developmental Disabilities
>
> A Three-day Workshop Presented by:
> Vincent J. Carbone, Ed.D., Board Certified Behavior Analyst
>
> Overview
> This workshop focuses on the behavioral approach to teaching
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Janna Hoskin | 22 Aug 2004 21:44
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Re: Anniversary

Tom Smith wrote:

> Congratulations on your anniversary and sharing the beginnings of your 
> career with us.  I know we have had our disagreements and some hard 
> feelings, but it is clear that you were called to the work for some 
> reason.  You are maturing in the work faster than most and will surely 
> make a contribution.  It's probably the most challenging human service 
> one could take on but it's apparent you are up to the challenge.

Thanks, Tom.  Regardless of what I think of a lot of the spewing you've 
done on the list, this particular post means a lot to me.

> Take thee to AUTCOM!!  Your brothers and sisters are there. 

Hey, you never know... maybe I'll make it to the next one.  :)

Read this quote today, and quite liked it.  I'm going to add it to my 
signature files and I've made a bunch of signs to hang all over my 
house, put in my car, and keep in my work binders:

"If you don't like the way the world is, you change it.  You have an 
obligation to change it.  You just do it one step at a time.  You really 
can change the world if you care enough." ~ Marian Wright Edelman

-Janna

--

-- 
Early Birds Program Facilitator (special needs 1:1 preschool)
Calgary, AB, Canada
BMus, BAPsych
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Tink | 22 Aug 2004 22:09
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RE: Anniversary

Congratulations on this anniversary, Janna.   A very informative and so honest post.  Thank you.  I read your post to Ben.  Here is his song for you:
 
From Stevie Nicks - Timespace:
 
Written by jon bon jovi and billy falcon.
 
Well I’ve run through rainbows and castles of candy
I cried a river of tears from the pain
I try to dance with what life has to hand me
My partner’s been pleasure my partner’s been pain
 
There are days when I swear I could fly like an eagle
And dark desperate hours that nobody sees
My arms stretched triumphant on top of the mountain
My head in my hands down on my knees
 
Sometimes it’s a bitch sometimes it’s a breeze
Sometimes love’s blind and sometimes it sees
Sometimes it’s roses and, sometimes it’s weeds
Sometimes it’s a bitch sometimes it’s a breeze
 
I’ve reached in darkness and come out with treasure
I’ve laid down with love and I woke up with lies
What’s it all worth only the heart can measure
It’s not what’s in the mirror but what’s left inside
 
Sometimes it’s a bitch sometimes it’s a breeze
Sometimes love’s blind and sometimes it sees
Sometimes it’s roses and, sometimes it’s weeds
Sometimes it’s a bitch sometimes it’s a breeze
 
You gotta take it as it comes
Sometimes it don’t come easy
 
I’ve run through rainbows and castles of candy
And I’ve cried a river of tears from the pain
I tried to dance with what life had to hand me
And if I could I’d do it all over again
 
Sometimes it’s a bitch sometimes it’s a breeze
Sometimes love’s blind and sometimes it sees
Sometimes it’s roses and, sometimes it’s weeds
Sometimes it’s a bitch sometimes it’s a breeze
Sometimes the picture just ain’t what it seems
You get what you want but it’s not what you need
Sometimes it’s a bitch sometimes it’s a breeze
Well it’s a breeze it’s a breeze it’s a breeze
 
Blessings to you and yours,
Ben & Tink
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Janna Hoskin [mailto:TreatAutism <at> shaw.ca]
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:03 AM
To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Autismlist] Anniversary

So today, August 21, 2004, is my five-year anniversary of beginning to work with autistic children.  Then, I was working solely within the ABA paradigm.  Five years later, I've added sensory integration and a lot more understanding to my tools.  I still love my work, and I have an attainable goal.

I’m definitely not a ‘radical behaviourist’.


I consider behaviourism to make the most sense out of all the theories of psychology that I’ve read (we do things because they give us something we like), but I recognise the variety of antecedents for our behaviours.

A lot of my behaviours occur due to belief.  Not just my religious belief in God (I am a Christian), but other beliefs.  I have odd phobias that doubtless could be turned around with the right application of behavioural techniques, but they don’t impact my life to a disabling extent, and I rarely have to even explain the things I do that help me work around these phobias.  I also have some odd behaviours that I suppose most people consider “anal”.  To me, they just make sense.  I eat everything in pairs or halves, with equal amounts chewed on each side of my mouth.  I eat all the broth out of a soup before I eat the noodles.  I take a piece of gum out of the packet and then “fix” the clear plastic casing and straighten the foil backing.


I have said, and I still say, that I would appreciate having my own personal ABA therapist to follow me around and help me with things like social skills.


When I began researching autism, at the age of seventeen, I thoroughly believed that autism was something that hid the real person within, and that if we could just break though that barrier, autistic people would be able to function normally.


Give it five years, I’ll change my mind – and I did.  When I began working in the field of ABA, at age twenty-two, I bought the behaviourist line that the autistic behaviours needed to be eliminated at all costs, and that this was the best way to normalize the children.  Oh, I absolutely recognized the humanity of the child I was working with then, and I loved being with him, but his inability to communicate effectively was frustrating (for both of us), and the assumption was still that if we could get rid of autism, he’d be fine.


Give it another five years, I’ll change my mind again – and, oh, look, I did!  I’ve been in the field for five years now, and researching autism for twice that time.  I am now convinced that autism is a part of who a person is, not a separate thing that needs to be modified out of existence.  I don’t even advocate the use of ABA in programs anymore – when parents come to me asking what they should do for their children, I might offer some different options that include ABA, but my personal opinion is always that they should get a speech therapist whose main focus is communication and not simply speech, an occupational therapist who knows how sensory processing differences can affect a person’s abilities, and an educational consultant who can assess the child’s academic level and learning style.  If a parent is bent on doing ABA, I strongly suggest the involvement of an SLP and an OT who does DPPT.

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Give it another five years, I might change my mind again.  We’ll see.

-Janna
-- Early Birds Program Facilitator (special needs 1:1 preschool) Calgary, AB, Canada BMus, BAPsych **************************************************************************** "Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you." - President John Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522) "Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your waves and breakers have swept over me." - Psalm 42:7 "Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water passes through..." - Nichole Nordeman, "river god" (wide eyed, 1998) "Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd like to be your hero, I am a mighty little man!" - Steve Burns, "Mighty Little Man" (Songs For Dustmites, 2003) http://members.shaw.ca/treatautism ****************************************************************************


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Janna Hoskin | 22 Aug 2004 22:19
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Tink wrote:
Congratulations on this anniversary, Janna.   A very informative and so honest post.  Thank you.  I read your post to Ben.  Here is his song for you:
Thank you, Ben!  It brought tears to my eyes as I read through the words.

Sometimes it IS really hard.  Sometimes it's easy.  But yeah, I'd do it all over again if I could.
And dark desperate hours that nobody sees
My arms stretched triumphant on top of the mountain
My head in my hands down on my knees
There are days when I swear I could fly like an eagle
This verse resonated with me.  There are days when it all seems too big, and what can I *really* do?  And there are days when everything is going so well, and I can see the difference I've made in the lives of so many children.
Sometimes it don’t come easy
You gotta take it as it comes
That's for sure!

-Janna
-- Early Birds Program Facilitator (special needs 1:1 preschool) Calgary, AB, Canada BMus, BAPsych **************************************************************************** "Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you." - President John Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522) "If you don't like the way the world is, you change it. You have an obligation to change it. You just do it one step at a time. You really can change the world if you care enough." - Mary Wright Edelman "Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your waves and breakers have swept over me." - Psalm 42:7 "Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water passes through..." - Nichole Nordeman, "river god" (wide eyed, 1998) "Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd like to be your hero, I am a mighty little man!" - Steve Burns, "Mighty Little Man" (Songs For Dustmites, 2003) http://members.shaw.ca/treatautism ****************************************************************************

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C.Pipped | 22 Aug 2004 22:39

Re: Anniversary

Janna, hate to be the damper but it isn't over yet! You might be sued by some 25 year old for abuse in ten-twenty  years or so - ABA and Lovaas won't be tolerated forever- Hitler lost eventually, so will Ivar et al. I know you think you're doing the right thing- so did the Hitler youth. BW's Liz
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Autismlist] Anniversary

Tink wrote:
Congratulations on this anniversary, Janna.   A very informative and so honest post.  Thank you.  I read your post to Ben.  Here is his song for you:
Thank you, Ben!  It brought tears to my eyes as I read through the words.

Sometimes it IS really hard.  Sometimes it's easy.  But yeah, I'd do it all over again if I could.
And dark desperate hours that nobody sees
My arms stretched triumphant on top of the mountain
My head in my hands down on my knees
There are days when I swear I could fly like an eagle
This verse resonated with me.  There are days when it all seems too big, and what can I *really* do?  And there are days when everything is going so well, and I can see the difference I've made in the lives of so many children.
Sometimes it don’t come easy
You gotta take it as it comes
That's for sure!

-Janna
-- Early Birds Program Facilitator (special needs 1:1 preschool) Calgary, AB, Canada BMus, BAPsych **************************************************************************** "Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you." - President John Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522) "If you don't like the way the world is, you change it. You have an obligation to change it. You just do it one step at a time. You really can change the world if you care enough." - Mary Wright Edelman "Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your waves and breakers have swept over me." - Psalm 42:7 "Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water passes through..." - Nichole Nordeman, "river god" (wide eyed, 1998) "Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd like to be your hero, I am a mighty little man!" - Steve Burns, "Mighty Little Man" (Songs For Dustmites, 2003) http://members.shaw.ca/treatautism ****************************************************************************


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C.Pipped | 22 Aug 2004 22:54

Lovaas/ABA UPDATE


 go to > www.celebrateautismtoday.org  for the ABA update 

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Janna Hoskin | 22 Aug 2004 23:08
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C.Pipped wrote:
Janna, hate to be the damper but it isn't over yet! You might be sued by some 25 year old for abuse in ten-twenty  years or so - ABA and Lovaas won't be tolerated forever- Hitler lost eventually, so will Ivar et al. I know you think you're doing the right thing- so did the Hitler youth. BW's Liz
Sorry, were you even paying attention to the first post I made in this thread?

Based on what you wrote here, I'd say no.

But thanks for coming out.

-Janna (who doesn't abuse anyone in her charge)
-- Early Birds Program Facilitator (special needs 1:1 preschool) Calgary, AB, Canada BMus, BAPsych **************************************************************************** "Home is not a place. It is wherever your passion takes you." - President John Sheridan, Babylon 5 (Objects At Rest, Production #522) "If you don't like the way the world is, you change it. You have an obligation to change it. You just do it one step at a time. You really can change the world if you care enough." - Mary Wright Edelman "Deep calls to deep in the roar of Your waterfall; all of your waves and breakers have swept over me." - Psalm 42:7 "Rolling river God, little stones are smooth, only once the water passes through..." - Nichole Nordeman, "river god" (wide eyed, 1998) "Nobody else is stronger than I am, today I moved a mountain! I'd like to be your hero, I am a mighty little man!" - Steve Burns, "Mighty Little Man" (Songs For Dustmites, 2003) http://members.shaw.ca/treatautism ****************************************************************************

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