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Anton Kazennikov | 1 Jul 2007 09:36
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Re: reviving sawfish development - conclusion

Janek Kozicki <janek_listy <at> wp.pl> writes:

> ================== FUTURE PLANS =================
>
> I certainly will NOT allow people to wreak havoc in the repository. 
> I think that we should proceed in following way:
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> 1. make a new sawfish release from current SVN, name it 2.0 since it
>    is a release after many years.
Maybe it's too early to release 2.0. It maybe be better to fix some existing
visible bugs, and release 1.4.

Do you plan to use the -mmc fork?
URL: http://michal.maruska.dyndns.org/comp/packages/sawfish-mmc-1.4.11.tar.gz 

Maybe there is some nice features to backport in the original sawfish.

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Andrea Vettorello | 1 Jul 2007 11:01
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Re: looking for wiki

On 6/30/07, Janek Kozicki <janek_listy <at> wp.pl> wrote:

[...]

 > > I'm only moving the wiki contents.
>
> > I've tried to port a couple of pages on the code.google wiki and for
> > sure the result is ugly considering the current wiki.
>
> Question: "moving" ? Was there any wiki about sawfish that I'm
> currently unaware of?

http://sawfish.endorphin.org

[...]

> - like and know mediawiki syntax
> - want anonymous edits
> - want a reputable hosting service

Ok, sounds reasonable to me. I'm going to open a request on wikia right now.

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sand | 1 Jul 2007 16:30

Re: reviving sawfish development - conclusion

Janek Kozicki writes:
> 1. make a new sawfish release from current SVN, name it 2.0 since it
>    is a release after many years.

How about merging the expanded documentation before the 2.0 release?

Derek

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Robert Personen | 1 Jul 2007 18:51
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Re: sawfish version numbres of next releases.

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> 3. version number for a new great sawfish, after adding some of the
>    new things. Should be a bigger jump IMO, even if it's just a
>    consolidated tab support into sawfish themes provided in the trunk,
>    or just a very basic compiz/xgl support.
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> Janek Kozicki                                                         |
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There are a number of different extensions that can/should be
implemented.  Off the top of my head: xrandr 1.2, XFixes, XDamage,
XComposite (and arguably Xrender then OpenGL for enhanced display
options).  An additional (and far more ambitious) change would be to
support XCB.

I will try to summarize what I have read so far.

xrandr 1.2:
http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/proto/randrproto.git;a=blob_plain;f=randrproto.txt
Out of all the changes in X, this is the only one that would need to
be changed directly in sawfish.  A quick reading of the spec suggests
that the current usage, rereading Xinerama data on the change event,
is sufficient.  What can be done here is to change from using Xinerama
to query to using xrandr which might result in a more finely tuned
event system.  A slightly separate concern would be to create a module
for using xrandr to control the screen placement and activity.

XFixes:
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Clemens Fruhwirth | 1 Jul 2007 21:02
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Re: Wiki maintainer wanted

At Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:32:30 +0200,
Clemens Fruhwirth wrote:

> Please step forward, if you have an interest in this resource being
> available, and you are interested in taking over the maintainer
> ship. http://sawfish.endorphin.org would then be configured to emit a
> redirect to your location.

Any news on the efforts to relocate the Wiki?
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Robert Personen | 1 Jul 2007 21:41
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Re: reviving sawfish development - conclusion

It is good that someone is willing to step up and be a project manager
(even if not a developer).

Is there any interest in taking over librep and rep-gtk maintenance?
librep might have some patches (and definitely needs documentation)
and rep-gtk could probably use some updates to support new gtk2
features.

mailing list, webpage and wiki seem to be covered, is there a desire
for a IRC channel?

> ================== FUTURE PLANS =================
>
> I certainly will NOT allow people to wreak havoc in the repository.
> I think that we should proceed in following way:
>
>
> 1. make a new sawfish release from current SVN, name it 2.0 since it
>    is a release after many years.

I would have to agree with what others have already said, there does
not seem to be enough changes in SVN or from other sources to warrant
a 2.0 release.  I would say a 1.3.1 release from SVN if it is stable
and then maybe a 1.4 release including any other patches that are
still out there.

>
> 2. this will direct attention towards sawfish from many different
>    distributions. And they will start talking about maintaining local
>    patches specific to each distribution. So we will stronly encourage
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GSR - FR | 1 Jul 2007 21:51

Re: reviving sawfish development - conclusion

Hi,
psyquark <at> gmail.com (2007-07-01 at 1541.05 -0400):
> mailing list, webpage and wiki seem to be covered, is there a desire
> for a IRC channel?

There is #sawfish on irc.freenode.net already.

GSR
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Andrea Vettorello | 2 Jul 2007 09:02
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Re: Wiki maintainer wanted

On 7/1/07, Clemens Fruhwirth <clemens <at> endorphin.org> wrote:
> At Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:32:30 +0200,
> Clemens Fruhwirth wrote:
>
> > Please step forward, if you have an interest in this resource being
> > available, and you are interested in taking over the maintainer
> > ship. http://sawfish.endorphin.org would then be configured to emit a
> > redirect to your location.
>
> Any news on the efforts to relocate the Wiki?

Sorry Clemens, i'm the one to blame for the delay.

I've not yet completed the relocation, but i've done a mirror on my HD
of the contents, so feel free to move it offline, if you need.

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Janek Kozicki | 2 Jul 2007 09:34
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Re: Wiki maintainer wanted

Clemens Fruhwirth said:     (by the date of Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:02:00 +0200)

> At Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:32:30 +0200,
> Clemens Fruhwirth wrote:
> 
> Any news on the efforts to relocate the Wiki?

Clemens, please register on wikia.com and write your {{support}}
comment that you want a sawfish wiki

   http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/Sawfish

Don't forget to sign with ~~~~

> http://sawfish.endorphin.org would then be configured to emit a
> redirect to your location.

If you want to be done with it now, you can configure the redirection
to point to http://sawfish.wikia.com (which doesn't exist yet).

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Janek Kozicki | 2 Jul 2007 10:03
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We are getting a new wiki website on wikia.com

Hello,

Andrea has opened a wiki request on site:

   http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/Sawfish

I strongly encourage everyone to do following:

 1. register an account on wikia.com

 2. write a {{support}} comment on the bottom of that request page,
    and sign it with ~~~~

The "{{support}}" will put a '+' sign which means that you are
supporting the request. Only comments from registered accounts are
being counted, because anonymous comments could be all written by the
same person that uses different IP numbers. The ~~~~ is automagically
converted into your signature.

And since you are on this mailing list, you are going to edit the
wiki anyway, so you will need the account, right? :)

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