Viraj Alankar | 5 Aug 01:33 2001

running another wm under ion

Hello,

Sometimes I'd like to use a standard window manager for certain apps. Is it
possible to run a barebones wm like twm in a workspace under ion? I'm not sure
if that makes sense, but is anyone doing something similar?

Viraj.
Kai Großjohann | 5 Aug 01:55 2001
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Re: running another wm under ion

Viraj Alankar <valankar <at> ifxcorp.com> writes:

> Sometimes I'd like to use a standard window manager for certain apps. Is it
> possible to run a barebones wm like twm in a workspace under ion? I'm not sure
> if that makes sense, but is anyone doing something similar?

You can run xnest in a frame, and run the twm in that xnest.

kai
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David B. Harris | 5 Aug 06:02 2001
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Re: running another wm under ion

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:33:40 -0400, Viraj Alankar <valankar <at> ifxcorp.com> wrote:
> Sometimes I'd like to use a standard window manager for certain apps. Is it
> possible to run a barebones wm like twm in a workspace under ion? I'm not sure
> if that makes sense, but is anyone doing something similar?

You could use Xnest(which would give a second X session within an Ion frame), and then run a window manager
within that. Should work, though I havn't tried it.

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Björn Lindström | 6 Aug 04:06 2001

Some comments on Ion

I have used Ion since may and have never been as satisfied with a
window manager before. There are a couple of things that annoy
me, though, so I thought I should speak out about them.

If one configures Ion to have frames around the, um, frames it
gives them frames along the screen borders too. That is a waste
of screen space and it makes the tabs at the top of the screen
lack the neat infinite size button feature of clickable things at
the borders of the screen. Talking about that, it would be neat
if frames bordering the bottom of the screens have their tabs
beneath them instead.

It should be possible to resize the frames with the mouse not
only on the tabs but also by dragging the vertical borders
between frames.

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Michael Bruce | 6 Aug 07:55 2001
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Re: Some comments on Ion

On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 04:06:27AM +0200, Björn Lindström wrote:
> I have used Ion since may and have never been as satisfied with a
> window manager before. There are a couple of things that annoy
> me, though, so I thought I should speak out about them.

Same here.  I started using Ion a couple weeks ago, and it has
been great, with just a few issues.

> If one configures Ion to have frames around the, um, frames it
> gives them frames along the screen borders too. That is a waste
> of screen space and it makes the tabs at the top of the screen
> lack the neat infinite size button feature of clickable things at
> the borders of the screen. Talking about that, it would be neat
> if frames bordering the bottom of the screens have their tabs
> beneath them instead.

I definitely agree with the first idea.  I was going to look at
the code and see how hard this would be to do myself, but I haven't
had time.

I'm not so sure about the second idea; it sounds like it could be
confusing.

> It should be possible to resize the frames with the mouse not
> only on the tabs but also by dragging the vertical borders
> between frames.

My main request would be to have more of the wm functions available
from the mouse.  Currently, I'm using gtk-menu from aewm to give
myself a menu of things to launch when I middle-click on the
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Sebastien Munch | 6 Aug 08:09 2001
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Re: Some comments on Ion


On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 04:06:27 Björn Lindström wrote:

> It should be possible to resize the frames with the mouse not
> only on the tabs but also by dragging the vertical borders
> between frames.

It IS possible ... I have made this before removing all the borders (takes
much less space).
Simply add
  mdrag "Button1", "p_resize"
(or with any other mouse button)
to your ion bindings !

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Geoffrey Simms | 6 Aug 18:52 2001

Re: Some comments on Ion

On Sunday August 05 2001 07:06 pm, Björn Lindström wrote:

> If one configures Ion to have frames around the, um, frames it
> gives them frames along the screen borders too. That is a waste
> of screen space and it makes the tabs at the top of the screen
> lack the neat infinite size button feature of clickable things at
> the borders of the screen. 

But if you bind the frame to something, you get an infinite button as well. I 
bind the frame thusly:

	set_mod ""

	mdrag "Button1", "p_resize"
	mclick "Button1", "switch_ws_prev"
	mclick "Button3", "switch_ws_next"

> It should be possible to resize the frames with the mouse not
> only on the tabs but also by dragging the vertical borders
> between frames.

See above.

Geoff
Valkonen Tuomo | 6 Aug 19:07 2001
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Re: Some comments on Ion

On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 04:06:27AM +0200, Björn Lindström wrote:
> the borders of the screen. Talking about that, it would be neat
> if frames bordering the bottom of the screens have their tabs
> beneath them instead.

I tried putting the tabs at the bottom (all of them, though), but
didn't like it.

> It should be possible to resize the frames with the mouse not
> only on the tabs but also by dragging the vertical borders
> between frames.

This action is bound to button 3 and not 1, by default. The rationale
for this is to increase the grab area by allowing the same button to
resize on the title bar to as well. Tab drag&drop is supposed to be
used more often so I bound it to button 1. But one could move this
action to button 2 as PWM does. 

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Valkonen Tuomo | 6 Aug 19:23 2001
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Re: running another wm under ion

On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 07:33:40PM -0400, Viraj Alankar wrote:
> Sometimes I'd like to use a standard window manager for certain apps. Is it
> possible to run a barebones wm like twm in a workspace under ion? I'm not sure
> if that makes sense, but is anyone doing something similar?

As already mentioned, Xnest and other similar solutions are currently
the only way. There have been quite a few requests for PWM workspaces,
infact. I did first oppose such, but having decided to write a quite
general window management library that both PWM and Ion could use (so
there much less work in maintaining them both) and make it quite abstract
so it might be possible to have such one day as a module without any
additional bloat to Ion. But I'm not promising anything at the moment.
First, I really need to get Ion to a state where it compiles again :-).

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Michael Bruce | 7 Aug 00:50 2001
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Re: Some comments on Ion

On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 09:52:34AM -0700, Geoffrey Simms wrote:
> On Sunday August 05 2001 07:06 pm, Björn Lindström wrote:
> 
> > If one configures Ion to have frames around the, um, frames it
> > gives them frames along the screen borders too. That is a waste
> > of screen space and it makes the tabs at the top of the screen
> > lack the neat infinite size button feature of clickable things at
> > the borders of the screen. 
> 
> But if you bind the frame to something, you get an infinite button as well. I 
> bind the frame thusly:

I think the idea is to be able to easily switch between programs with
tabs at the top of the screen.

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