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Carsten Haitzler | 4 Mar 2004 03:22
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[E-devel] Re: [e-users] E-based distro->build out of what?

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:35:40 -0800 (PST) Jonathan Charnas <goeland_86 <at> yahoo.fr>
babbled:

> I'm no expert about this, but I really like the idea. I was hoping to
> switch distros myself sometime soon (soon meaning within 4 months).
> As a mandrake user, I can tell you what I like and what I don't like:
> Likes:
> ease of installation
> frequent updates, whether security or just new version of a program
> urpmi tool (kinda like apt, but different, they have a gui for it too)
> ease to install E
> 
> Dislikes:
> configuration tools not really adequate for non newbie users
> difficulty to install new programs through rpms ( always have to be
> <blabla>.ix86.mdk.rpm, not any rpm, their names and deps are different)
> 
> sometimes hard to compile programs because libs in path have a version #
> to it, have to make simlinks to have a correct compile.
> 
> rpm based distro.
> 
> 
> All this to say that I would personally love see a distro of the same kind
> as gentoo, only a little easier to install (presets for various machines
> or hardware for instance). If I hadn't run into so many difficulties
> trying to install gentoo the first time, I would keep running it. The
> thing with gentoo is it installs only what you need, and compiled for your
> needs. In my opinion it's the best idea. What could make it easier would
> be a text configuration utility that asks for your hardware and sets the
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Felix Maibaum | 4 Mar 2004 14:31
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[E-devel] xrandr + epplet for DR 16 ?

Hi all.

I just searched the archives for xrandr, and up came nothing. Which is very 
unfortunate, because nothing beats using my two monitors with enlightenment, 
but whenever I want to stop using the second monitor, I have to log out and 
use a different WM, so I don't screw up my nicely arranged Iconboxes and 
desktop pagers.

Is anybody working on support for xrandr in enlightenment? e.g. remebering 
window-placements per desktop resolution and maybe writing an epplet to 
switch between them? 

my own programming skills are somewhat limited, I think I could manage the 
epplet with a bit of copy&paste from the corresponding GNOME applet, but I'm 
afraid the window placement stuff is beyond my abilities.

So is anybody willing to do it for the old release?
Or could someone give me some pointers into the right direction in case I try 
it on my own? Functions I need to look at, variables to be duplicated for 
each resolution, etc.

regards

Felix

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Valdis.Kletnieks | 4 Mar 2004 17:22
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Re: [E-devel] xrandr + epplet for DR 16 ?

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:31:26 +0100, Felix Maibaum <f.maibaum <at> web.de>  said:
> Hi all.
> 
> I just searched the archives for xrandr, and up came nothing. Which is very 
> unfortunate, because nothing beats using my two monitors with enlightenment, 
> but whenever I want to stop using the second monitor, I have to log out and 
> use a different WM, so I don't screw up my nicely arranged Iconboxes and 
> desktop pagers.

This sounds like 'xinerama' extension that allows 2 monitors to act as one large
piece of real estate.  'xrandr' is the 'rotate and render' extension, which shouldn't
have anything to do with number of monitors.....
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Felix Maibaum | 4 Mar 2004 20:35
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Re: [E-devel] xrandr + epplet for DR 16 ?

Am Donnerstag, 4. März 2004 17:22 schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks <at> vt.edu:
>  'xrandr' is the 'rotate and render' extension,

besides: xrandr stands for "rotate and resize" :-)

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Felix Maibaum | 4 Mar 2004 20:33
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Re: [E-devel] xrandr + epplet for DR 16 ?

Am Donnerstag, 4. März 2004 17:22 schrieb Valdis.Kletnieks <at> vt.edu:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:31:26 +0100, Felix Maibaum <f.maibaum <at> web.de>  said:

> This sounds like 'xinerama' extension that allows 2 monitors to act as one
> large piece of real estate.  'xrandr' is the 'rotate and render' extension,
> which shouldn't have anything to do with number of monitors.....

Sorry, on reading my post the second time, I realize that it was a bit 
misleading:

Yes, of course I use xinerama for my two monitors (well not really, I use 
nvidia twinview, but this also gives xinerama hints to the WM).

I created several possible resolutions: for example "1600x1200,1600x1200" 
which uses both monitors and is seen by the WM as 3200x1200, and simple 
"1600x1200".

The second mode is for when I want to use just one Monitor. There are everal 
reasons for wanting to do this: someone wants to work on the other monitor 
for example, which is also connected to anothe machine, or when I just want 
to save power for example. The switch can be easily accomplished without 
logging out of the current session by using xrandr. This makes it possible to 
resize not only the resolution but also to fit the virtual screen to that 
resolution.

Currently, enlightenment doesn't notice a resolution change at all, which 
results in several windows being inaccessible after the switch. A restart 
makes enlightenment aware of the new resolution, but then I have to setup all 
my carefully placed desktop pagers, epplets, gkrellm, icq, etc. again. Pagers 
for example not only change in position, but also in size.
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Kim Woelders | 4 Mar 2004 23:06
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Re: [E-devel] xrandr + epplet for DR 16 ?

Felix Maibaum wrote:
> aside from the usefulness for on-the-fly resolution switching, seperate setups 
> for different resolutions also have the advantage, that it would be possible 
> to regularly use the same home directory on several machines, e.g. laptop, 
> desktop, and thin X-client, which typically all have different resolutions.
> 
> This would tremendously increase enlightenments usefulness for me, and I think 
> I am not alone there.
> 
> I hope this clarified why xrandr is nice for a dual-screen setup.
> 
> So, back to the original question: will anyone do it?
> 
You may be able to achieve some of what you want by using separate
configuration directories, i.e. use the -econfdir command line option.

An intelligent on-the-fly handling of a resolution change will not
happen in E16 unless somebody sends a patch.

/Kim

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Kim Woelders | 5 Mar 2004 00:47
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[E-devel] E16 distribution split

Hi,

I have made a test with splitting up the E16 distribution.

I rearranged the directories:

The WM, dox, eesh, and epp, mostly in the usual places
e16/e
e16/e/config (was e16/e/src/themes/config)
e16/e/dox
e16/e/eesh
...
e16/e/src

Moved the dox data, i.e. the documentation pages to
e16/edox-data
e16/edox-data/E-docs

Moved the themes to
e16/ethemes/BlueSteel
   containing BlueSteel.etheme* autogen.sh configure.in ...
e16/ethemes/BrushedMetal-Tigert
   containing BrushedMetal-Tigert.etheme* autogen.sh configure.in ...
e16/ethemes/Ganymede
   containing Ganymede.etheme* autogen.sh configure.in ...
e16/ethemes/ShinyMetal
   containing ShinyMetal.etheme* autogen.sh configure.in ...

We had
11.9 Mbyte enlightenment-0.16.7.tar.gz
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Valdis.Kletnieks | 5 Mar 2004 17:47
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Re: [E-devel] xrandr + epplet for DR 16 ?

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:33:44 +0100, Felix Maibaum said:

> aside from the usefulness for on-the-fly resolution switching, seperate setups 
> for different resolutions also have the advantage, that it would be possible 
> to regularly use the same home directory on several machines, e.g. laptop, 
> desktop, and thin X-client, which typically all have different resolutions.

There's some tricky corner problems to deal with - for instance, what do you do
with a config that's designed for 2 1920x1400 monitors that includes 3 or 4
1200x1100 windows, and it's asked to squeeze that all into a 800x600 window? ;)

(Yes, it's an extreme case, but one you have to deal with.)
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Onur Kucuk | 6 Mar 2004 00:20
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Re: [E-devel] E16 distribution split


KW> We had
KW> 11.9 Mbyte enlightenment-0.16.7.tar.gz
KW> 
KW> The new packages are
KW>   1.6 Mbyte enlightenment-0.16.7.tar.gz (binaries are < 1 Mbyte)

 Maybe this can be called enlightenment-base, as it does not include
docs etc.

KW>   2.1 Mbyte edox-docs-0.16.7.tar.gz
KW> 
KW>   0.7 Mbyte etheme-BlueSteel-0.16-1.tar.gz
KW>   3.9 Mbyte etheme-BrushedMetal-Tigert-0.16-1.tar.gz
KW>   2.5 Mbyte etheme-Ganymede-0.16-1.tar.gz
KW>   1.2 Mbyte etheme-ShinyMetal-0.16-1.tar.gz

 Does the enlightenment-0.16.7.tar.gz package work, after compilation,
or should there be a theme installed in the system ?

 If a theme is a must to run, then I guess it would be better to include
the smallest (in size) theme in the base/main package, just to let
people see it work.

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Mike Frysinger | 6 Mar 2004 01:59
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Re: [E-devel] E16 distribution split

On Thursday 04 March 2004 06:47 pm, Kim Woelders wrote:
> Is there any reason not to go ahead and do this?
> Is there a better way (names, directory layout, ...)?
> Comments?

i dont know how other people feel but there any chance we could change 'dox' 
to 'edox' ?
i had to do so in Gentoo due to the fact it was clobbering the dox package, 
http://dox.berlios.de/ ...
-mike

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