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Ross Patterson | 3 Sep 2011 05:13
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Re: Today's meeting

Eric Steele <ems174@...> writes:

> Does anyone have items of significance for today's FWT meeting?
> Otherwise, we can just cancel and wait for new PLIPs to look at.

How long can we wait before we don't have enough time to help motivate
enought PLIPs such that the next release is kinda meaningless?  I guess
I'd like to see the next meeting go forward so at the very least we can
talk about what PLIPs or potential PLIPs we might be able to use our
pulpit to advocate for.  I think it's important that we don't start our
new release schedule with a stall of inertia.  It might take a little
active involvement from the FWT as we transition to a more fluid
schedule.

Ross
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Martin Aspeli | 3 Sep 2011 15:46
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Re: Today's meeting

Also - what's the policy on deferred PLIPs? For example, I'd still like the Dexterity PLIP to be considered in 4.3, and that will probably involve working with the FWT to define what the threshold is and what the timeframes are.


Martin

On 3 September 2011 04:13, Ross Patterson <me-5WM5oVD3klEBe96aLqz0jA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Eric Steele <ems174 <at> psu.edu> writes:

> Does anyone have items of significance for today's FWT meeting?
> Otherwise, we can just cancel and wait for new PLIPs to look at.

How long can we wait before we don't have enough time to help motivate
enought PLIPs such that the next release is kinda meaningless?  I guess
I'd like to see the next meeting go forward so at the very least we can
talk about what PLIPs or potential PLIPs we might be able to use our
pulpit to advocate for.  I think it's important that we don't start our
new release schedule with a stall of inertia.  It might take a little
active involvement from the FWT as we transition to a more fluid
schedule.

Ross

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<p>Also - what's the policy on deferred PLIPs? For example, I'd still like the Dexterity PLIP to be considered in 4.3, and that will probably involve working with the FWT to define what the threshold is and what the timeframes are.</p>
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<div>Martin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 3 September 2011 04:13, Ross Patterson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:me <at> rpatterson.net">me@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">

<div class="im">Eric Steele &lt;<a href="mailto:ems174@...">ems174 <at> psu.edu</a>&gt; writes:<br><br>
&gt; Does anyone have items of significance for today's FWT meeting?<br>
&gt; Otherwise, we can just cancel and wait for new PLIPs to look at.<br><br>
</div>How long can we wait before we don't have enough time to help motivate<br>
enought PLIPs such that the next release is kinda meaningless? &nbsp;I guess<br>
I'd like to see the next meeting go forward so at the very least we can<br>
talk about what PLIPs or potential PLIPs we might be able to use our<br>
pulpit to advocate for. &nbsp;I think it's important that we don't start our<br>
new release schedule with a stall of inertia. &nbsp;It might take a little<br>
active involvement from the FWT as we transition to a more fluid<br>
schedule.<br><br>
Ross<br><div>
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Ross Patterson | 5 Sep 2011 01:02
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Re: Today's meeting

Eric Steele <ems174@...> writes:

> On Sep 2, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Ross Patterson wrote:
>> Eric Steele <ems174@...> writes:
>> 
>>> Does anyone have items of significance for today's FWT meeting?
>>> Otherwise, we can just cancel and wait for new PLIPs to look at.
>> 
>> How long can we wait before we don't have enough time to help motivate
>> enought PLIPs such that the next release is kinda meaningless?  I guess
>> I'd like to see the next meeting go forward so at the very least we can
>> talk about what PLIPs or potential PLIPs we might be able to use our
>> pulpit to advocate for.  I think it's important that we don't start our
>> new release schedule with a stall of inertia.  It might take a little
>> active involvement from the FWT as we transition to a more fluid
>> schedule.
>> 
>> Ross
>
> A reminder -- you'd committed to sending a "hey, get your plips in!"
> mail to the dev list. That'd be a good first step. ;)

Right!  :-)  We discussed asking Mark Corum to draft something up so I
sent that message to Mark 3 weeks ago.  I never heard back and forgot to
follow up.  Sorry.

I just poked Mark again and if I don't hear from him I'll just write and
send it myself.

Sorry again and thanks for the reminder,
Ross
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Martijn Pieters | 6 Sep 2011 20:21
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No luck connecting tonight

Calliflower is not accepting my pincode tonight, it looks like only
Yiorgis and Craig managed to get in in the first place.

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Yiorgis Gozadinos | 6 Sep 2011 20:24
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Meetings...

Hey!
We did not manage to meet this time either and it's been a while since we had a meeting. Would it be possible to
let people know ahead whether we are having the meeting or not? Say for instance Eric or someone else asking
the day before? At the moment I have to wait for a few hours at the office to be present and it's frustrating
when it's for nothing :)

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Ross Patterson | 6 Sep 2011 20:36
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Re: Meetings...

Yiorgis Gozadinos <ggozad@...> writes:

> Hey!
> We did not manage to meet this time either and it's been a while since
> we had a meeting. Would it be possible to let people know ahead
> whether we are having the meeting or not? Say for instance Eric or
> someone else asking the day before? At the moment I have to wait for a
> few hours at the office to be present and it's frustrating when it's
> for nothing :)

I believe eric canceled the FWT meetings indefinitely until we have
PLIPs on this very list.  :-)

Ross
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Yiorgis Gozadinos | 6 Sep 2011 21:31
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Re: Meetings...



On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Ross Patterson <me <at> rpatterson.net> wrote:
Yiorgis Gozadinos <ggozad-RO3pXhTAhPc@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hey!
> We did not manage to meet this time either and it's been a while since
> we had a meeting. Would it be possible to let people know ahead
> whether we are having the meeting or not? Say for instance Eric or
> someone else asking the day before? At the moment I have to wait for a
> few hours at the office to be present and it's frustrating when it's
> for nothing :)

I believe eric canceled the FWT meetings indefinitely until we have
PLIPs on this very list.  :-)

Ross


Aha! My bad, I thought this only applied to the last meeting :-)

Yiorgis
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Ross Patterson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:me@...">me <at> rpatterson.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div class="im">Yiorgis Gozadinos &lt;<a href="mailto:ggozad@...">ggozad@...</a>&gt; writes:<br><br>
&gt; Hey!<br>
&gt; We did not manage to meet this time either and it's been a while since<br>
&gt; we had a meeting. Would it be possible to let people know ahead<br>
&gt; whether we are having the meeting or not? Say for instance Eric or<br>
&gt; someone else asking the day before? At the moment I have to wait for a<br>
&gt; few hours at the office to be present and it's frustrating when it's<br>
&gt; for nothing :)<br><br>
</div>I believe eric canceled the FWT meetings indefinitely until we have<br>
PLIPs on this very list. &nbsp;:-)<br><br>
Ross<br><br>
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<div>Aha! My bad, I thought this only applied to the last meeting :-)</div>
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Martin Aspeli | 7 Sep 2011 09:54
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plone.app.theming editor branch

Hi,



Basically, I'm trying to decide whether to put a bunch of effort into finishing it and getting it merged or not. I'd rather do that if it could make it into 4.2 final.

The changes basically provide a Plone UI for something you can do in the ZMI (edit in-ZODB themes) with a nice UI. They are fully backwards compatible, of course.

They introduce two new JavaScript components used on the editor page (only): ACE (http://ace.ajax.org/ - Mozilla license) and probably CoreFive FileManager (http://labs.corefive.com/projects/filemanager/ - MIT license).

Changes still to be made:

 - Integrate file manager to allow basic management of files in a theme
 - Allow any existing theme to be cloned as the starting point for a new theme
 - UI improvements (input welcome)

There's a thread on this on plone-dev where people are generally positive to the idea.

Martin
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<p>Hi,</p>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'd really like some FWT input on&nbsp;<a href="http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/plone.app.theming/branches/optilude-ace">http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/plone.app.theming/branches/optilude-ace</a>
</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>Basically, I'm trying to decide whether to put a bunch of effort into finishing it and getting it merged or not. I'd rather do that if it could make it into 4.2 final.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>

The changes basically provide a Plone UI for something you can do in the ZMI (edit in-ZODB themes) with a nice UI. They are fully backwards compatible, of course.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>They introduce two new JavaScript components used on the editor page (only): ACE (<a href="http://ace.ajax.org/">http://ace.ajax.org/</a> - Mozilla license) and probably CoreFive FileManager (<a href="http://labs.corefive.com/projects/filemanager/">http://labs.corefive.com/projects/filemanager/</a> - MIT license).</div>

<div><br></div>
<div>Changes still to be made:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>&nbsp;- Integrate file manager to allow basic management of files in a theme</div>
<div>&nbsp;- Allow any existing theme to be cloned as the starting point for a new theme</div>

<div>&nbsp;- UI improvements (input welcome)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>There's a thread on this on plone-dev where people are generally positive to the idea.</div>
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<div>Martin</div>
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Yiorgis Gozadinos | 7 Sep 2011 13:49
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Re: plone.app.theming editor branch


On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd really like some FWT input on http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/plone.app.theming/branches/optilude-ace
> 
> Basically, I'm trying to decide whether to put a bunch of effort into finishing it and getting it merged or
not. I'd rather do that if it could make it into 4.2 final.
> 
> The changes basically provide a Plone UI for something you can do in the ZMI (edit in-ZODB themes) with a
nice UI. They are fully backwards compatible, of course.
> 
> They introduce two new JavaScript components used on the editor page (only): ACE (http://ace.ajax.org/
- Mozilla license) and probably CoreFive FileManager
(http://labs.corefive.com/projects/filemanager/ - MIT license).
> 
> Changes still to be made:
> 
>  - Integrate file manager to allow basic management of files in a theme
>  - Allow any existing theme to be cloned as the starting point for a new theme
>  - UI improvements (input welcome)
> 
> There's a thread on this on plone-dev where people are generally positive to the idea.
> 
> Martin

I guess it IS time we had a meeting after all...
I can help with drafting that mail to plone-developers as well if Ross needs help so that we can get things
going a bit...

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Yiorgis Gozadinos | 7 Sep 2011 14:00
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Re: plone.app.theming editor branch


On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Yiorgis Gozadinos wrote:

> 
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'd really like some FWT input on http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/plone.app.theming/branches/optilude-ace
>> 
>> Basically, I'm trying to decide whether to put a bunch of effort into finishing it and getting it merged or
not. I'd rather do that if it could make it into 4.2 final.
>> 
>> The changes basically provide a Plone UI for something you can do in the ZMI (edit in-ZODB themes) with a
nice UI. They are fully backwards compatible, of course.
>> 
>> They introduce two new JavaScript components used on the editor page (only): ACE
(http://ace.ajax.org/ - Mozilla license) and probably CoreFive FileManager
(http://labs.corefive.com/projects/filemanager/ - MIT license).
>> 
>> Changes still to be made:
>> 
>> - Integrate file manager to allow basic management of files in a theme
>> - Allow any existing theme to be cloned as the starting point for a new theme
>> - UI improvements (input welcome)
>> 
>> There's a thread on this on plone-dev where people are generally positive to the idea.
>> 
>> Martin
> 
> I guess it IS time we had a meeting after all...
> I can help with drafting that mail to plone-developers as well if Ross needs help so that we can get things
going a bit...
> 

And just to avoid missunderstandings... I don't think that 4.2 is an option, but 4.3 is.

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