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Eric Steele | 9 Mar 2010 03:50
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Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.

I've just finished getting the last bits of 4.0b1 to wherever they need to be. I'll give it another 24 hours of
soft-release before handing it over to the installers folks to make sure everything is there. If I
understand this whole Plone process correctly (and I'm not at all sure I do), this means it's the end of the
line for the 4.0 Framework Team.

I want to thank all of you; you've done an amazing job. You took what was supposed to be a very boring release
and turned it into something that everyone is excited about. We gave you heavy workloads and horrible
deadlines and and you came through. Well done, all! 

So... now that those bums are out the door, how do we go about appointing a 4.x team for me to abuse?

Eric
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Jon Stahl | 9 Mar 2010 16:20
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A suggestion to egg on add-on product authors

Bravo!

Eric, can I suggest that you take the opportunity of the beta release
to send out an email from "The Release Manager" to the wider Plone
community in which you specifically remind add-on product developers
to test and update their add-on products, provide a link to the
upgrade docs (which already exist, right?) and celebrate the
significant number of add-on products that are already Plone
4-compatible?

Here's some rough-draft text to get you started -- I just think that
you're the most "authoritative" (read: shame-inducing) messenger. ;-)
This should probably go to developers, users, product-developers.
Maybe even plone.org/news.

best,
jon
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Plonistas-

Plone 4 beta 1 is now out.  It's the culmination of months of hard
work by dozens of Plone developers -- what we'd originally envisioned
as a "boring" release is now without question the most exciting
release of Plone ever: faster, more beautiful and easier to use than
ever before.  Thanks to all of you who've made it happen!

As we enter the beta stage of our release cycle, our focus shifts,
splits and widens.  We need everyone -- not just core developers and
framework team members -- to start testing the beta in as many routine
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Hanno Schlichting | 9 Mar 2010 20:27
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Re: Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Eric Steele <ems174@...> wrote:
> I've just finished getting the last bits of 4.0b1 to wherever they need to be. I'll give it another 24 hours
of soft-release before handing it over to the installers folks to make sure everything is there. If I
understand this whole Plone process correctly (and I'm not at all sure I do), this means it's the end of the
line for the 4.0 Framework Team.
>
> I want to thank all of you; you've done an amazing job. You took what was supposed to be a very boring release
and turned it into something that everyone is excited about. We gave you heavy workloads and horrible
deadlines and and you came through. Well done, all!

Thank you Eric for managing the impossible!

Thank you Alec, Calvin, David, Erik, Laurence, Matthew, Raphael and
Ross for being an outstanding framework team!

Thank you all guest reviewers, thank you PLIP authors and
implementers, thank you community at large!

There's so many people involved in this, it's amazing.

Totally excited about Plone 4,
Hanno
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Eric Steele | 12 Mar 2010 02:00
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Re: A suggestion to egg on add-on product authors

Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :)

Eric

On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Jon Stahl wrote:

> Bravo!
> 
> Eric, can I suggest that you take the opportunity of the beta release
> to send out an email from "The Release Manager" to the wider Plone
> community in which you specifically remind add-on product developers
> to test and update their add-on products, provide a link to the
> upgrade docs (which already exist, right?) and celebrate the
> significant number of add-on products that are already Plone
> 4-compatible?
> 
> Here's some rough-draft text to get you started -- I just think that
> you're the most "authoritative" (read: shame-inducing) messenger. ;-)
> This should probably go to developers, users, product-developers.
> Maybe even plone.org/news.
> 
> best,
> jon
> =====
> 
> Plonistas-
> 
> Plone 4 beta 1 is now out.  It's the culmination of months of hard
> work by dozens of Plone developers -- what we'd originally envisioned
> as a "boring" release is now without question the most exciting
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Matthew Wilkes | 12 Mar 2010 02:24
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Re: Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.


On 2010-03-09, at 0250, Eric Steele wrote:

> So... now that those bums are out the door, how do we go about  
> appointing a 4.x team for me to abuse?

Well, on a more general note, I think we need a bit better separation  
between the 4.x and 5.x teams to avoid conflicts between the needs of  
4.x and 5.0.

I'm not sure the best way to do that, however, as I'm excited by both  
releases.  I honestly couldn't say if I'd prefer to be part of the 4.x  
team or the 5.0 team if I could only pick one.

Matthew
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Eric Steele | 12 Mar 2010 03:24
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Re: Re: A suggestion to egg on add-on product authors

On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Eric Steele wrote:
Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :)

Eric

On second thought, I'll hold off on this until we have installers available.

Eric
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<div>On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Eric Steele wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div>Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :)<br><br>Eric<br>
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<div>On second thought, I'll hold off on this until we have installers available.</div>
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Alexander Limi | 12 Mar 2010 04:12
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Re: Re: A suggestion to egg on add-on product authors

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Eric Steele <ems174-8DAjSxpRXgY@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Eric Steele wrote:
Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :)

Eric

On second thought, I'll hold off on this until we have installers available.

Good move. Nothing is more frustrating to people than not having installers. :)

--
Alexander Limi · http://limi.net
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Eric Steele <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ems174@...">ems174@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
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<div>On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Eric Steele wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div>Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :)<br><br>Eric<br>
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<div>On second thought, I'll hold off on this until we have installers available.</div>
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<br>Good move. Nothing is more frustrating to people than not having installers. :)<br>
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<br>-- <br>Alexander Limi &middot; <a href="http://limi.net">http://limi.net</a><br>
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Jon Stahl | 12 Mar 2010 04:54
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Re: Re: A suggestion to egg on add-on product authors

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Alexander Limi <limi@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Eric Steele <ems174@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Eric Steele wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jon! I'll take care of this tonight. :)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On second thought, I'll hold off on this until we have installers
>> available.
>
> Good move. Nothing is more frustrating to people than not having installers.
> :)

Agreed, this is wise.

:jon
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Laurence Rowe | 12 Mar 2010 11:14
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Re: Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.

On 12 March 2010 01:24, Matthew Wilkes
<matthew@...> wrote:
>
> On 2010-03-09, at 0250, Eric Steele wrote:
>
>> So... now that those bums are out the door, how do we go about appointing
>> a 4.x team for me to abuse?
>
> Well, on a more general note, I think we need a bit better separation
> between the 4.x and 5.x teams to avoid conflicts between the needs of 4.x
> and 5.0.
>
> I'm not sure the best way to do that, however, as I'm excited by both
> releases.  I honestly couldn't say if I'd prefer to be part of the 4.x team
> or the 5.0 team if I could only pick one.

How do they conflict? I don't want to hold back changes for 5.0, but
equally I don't want anything too major in 4.x. My main aim over the
4.x series would be to see the z3cform packages become part of the
distribution so we can get p.a.discussion and p.a.registry in. It's
also a stepping stone to 5.0.

What happened in the 3.x series, I thought the 3.0 team stayed on.

Laurence
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Hanno Schlichting | 12 Mar 2010 15:36
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Re: Beta 1 is (essentially) out! FWT, your job is done.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Laurence Rowe <l <at> lrowe.co.uk> wrote:
> What happened in the 3.x series, I thought the 3.0 team stayed on.

No. One member of the team stayed on from the 3.0 team for the 3.1
team. The 3.1 team then stayed the same for the 3.2 and 3.3 releases.

The main idea here was that the x.0 release requires a huge time
investment and we don't want to stretch the same persons too much.
We've also had some drop-outs from overworked members late in the
process, so we cannot just take the existing team.

For the "official" process, the secret society of emeritus framework
team members would now put out a call for new applications for the 4.1
team. This same group will then select the new team. As a formality
the new framework team would then confirm the release manager or
suggest a new one to the Foundation Board.

Hanno
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