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Eric Steele | 1 Jun 2009 21:11
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Re: congratulations, Eric Steele: release manager for "the new" Plone 4!

Jon,

Thank you. It's an honor to serve, though I'll readily admit that I'm  
still a tad freaked about the whole thing.

Now that our symposium is over, I can start to actually focus on what  
we'll need to accomplish. This is the one and only Plone-related thing  
I'm doing today -- my brain is full. So, as the week goes on, I'll be  
getting in touch with the Plone 4 framework team to figure out when we  
can sit down to talk about what this release will do and how we're  
going to approach it. The one thing I can tell you right now is that  
I'm determined to get us on Zope 2.12; everything else, I'm open. I'll  
also get us a branch to start working on; I know several of you have  
been champing at the bit to get started.

As far as the stipend is concerned, Mike Halm at WebLion has been  
fantastic enough to allow me to devote 20% of my work week to taking  
on Plone 4, the remainder coming out of my personal time. Since this  
is now a part of my job, it'll likely be Penn State sending the  
invoice, but we'll get that all worked out over the coming months. The  
great thing about this is that we've already earmarked what funds come  
in to help pay for myself and other WebLion staff to get to as many  
Plone events as possible.

Mark was kind enough to sit down with me for a few minutes on Sunday  
to conduct an interview for the press release. We'll get a draft  
circulating as soon as possible.

Thank you,
Eric
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Hanno Schlichting | 1 Jun 2009 21:30
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Re: Plone 4 dependencies

David Glick wrote:
> We'll also
> have to consider what happens with the version numbers of the various
> plone.* packages which Hanno has been calling 2.x for use with Plone
> trunk...in most cases the changes are probably fine for Plone 4 and we
> can just keep using 2.x, but if there is a package with some changes on
> trunk that we don't want, we'll have to make a 2.x branch without the
> undesirable change and move that package's trunk up to 3.x)

My main reason to call all these trunk version 2.x was to allow for many
more minor-feature-upgrades aka. 1.2, 1.3, ... to happen for these
packages before the grand-overhaul-breaking-backwards-compatibility
thing. I think we should branch of the last 1.x branch of a package to a
new 1.x+1 branch for the packages where we need to do this.

Hanno
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Hanno Schlichting | 1 Jun 2009 21:42
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Re: Plone 4 dependencies

Matthew Wilkes wrote:
> Perhaps the question we should be asking is, "What do we want the new
> features for Plone 5 to be?".  I think moving to browser views for
> default templates would be useful, if not just so it unifies our
> customisation story.
> 
> On the concrete example given, quite high-up on my list of wishlist
> features for Plone 4 would be ditching portal_skins and having a
> layer-aware analogue for browser views, with an exporter.  TTW editing
> is sorely missing in 3.x, and I think it's a pain point.

+1 for it being a pain point. But ;)

I think we can move all the admin-UI stuff like preference screens,
folder_copy, object_rename and author pages and the like from CMFPlone
to browser views in Plone 4, as these tend not to be customized that often.

I wouldn't want to see document_view, folder_listing and the more
commonly customized templates to be changed in Plone 4, though. Changing
these will break lots of customizations out there and I only want to do
that once we have figured out the complete story for TTW editing and
new-style default theming.

As long as we have Archetypes and any AT-based add-on, we won't be able
to ditch portal_skins anyways. It's whole widget machinery and base_*
are too tightly based on nested skin layers and lots of magic.

Hanno
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Martin Aspeli | 2 Jun 2009 02:46
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Re: congratulations, Eric Steele: release manager for "the new" Plone 4!

Eric Steele wrote:

> As far as the stipend is concerned, Mike Halm at WebLion has been  
> fantastic enough to allow me to devote 20% of my work week to taking  
> on Plone 4, the remainder coming out of my personal time. Since this  
> is now a part of my job, it'll likely be Penn State sending the  
> invoice, but we'll get that all worked out over the coming months. The  
> great thing about this is that we've already earmarked what funds come  
> in to help pay for myself and other WebLion staff to get to as many  
> Plone events as possible.

This is really great! Thank you WebLion! :)

I'm very excited about Plone 4 now. :)

Martin

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Eric Steele | 5 Jun 2009 04:21
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[Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

Alright folks... now that I'm officially official, it's time we sat  
down and talked. I'd like to get some sort of phone/iChat/Skype  
conference together.

We're never going to get 11 geographically-diverse people together at  
the same time, but it'd be great to find something that works for the  
majority of us. Can I get a volunteer to get this organized?

I know that the trunk team had a "regular" time they'd set up and only  
used once. Since, er... more than half...I think... of you are on that  
team as well, is that still an option? I definitely don't want to cut  
in on Hanno's time with you, but if it's there and not being used, I'm  
inclined to make a grab at it. ;)

Eric
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Calvin Hendryx-Parker | 5 Jun 2009 04:56
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Re: [Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

Here is the link we used to start this process:

http://www.doodle.com/ucb3w2fcqieken28

Based on the responses, generally folks are available Monday and  
Tuesday at 2:00PM US/Eastern time.  This works for me, how about the  
rest?

Others can feel free to still add their preferences into that doodle  
calendar so we can find the optimal times.

Cheers,
Cal

On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Eric Steele wrote:

> Alright folks... now that I'm officially official, it's time we sat  
> down and talked. I'd like to get some sort of phone/iChat/Skype  
> conference together.
>
> We're never going to get 11 geographically-diverse people together  
> at the same time, but it'd be great to find something that works for  
> the majority of us. Can I get a volunteer to get this organized?
>
> I know that the trunk team had a "regular" time they'd set up and  
> only used once. Since, er... more than half...I think... of you are  
> on that team as well, is that still an option? I definitely don't  
> want to cut in on Hanno's time with you, but if it's there and not  
> being used, I'm inclined to make a grab at it. ;)
>
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Ross Patterson | 5 Jun 2009 05:19
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Re: [Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

Calvin Hendryx-Parker <calvin@...>
writes:

> Here is the link we used to start this process:
>
> http://www.doodle.com/ucb3w2fcqieken28
>
> Based on the responses, generally folks are available Monday and
> Tuesday at 2:00PM US/Eastern time.  This works for me, how about the
> rest?

Good by me.

Ross

> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Eric Steele wrote:
>
>> Alright folks... now that I'm officially official, it's time we sat
>> down and talked. I'd like to get some sort of phone/iChat/Skype
>> conference together.
>>
>> We're never going to get 11 geographically-diverse people together
>> at the same time, but it'd be great to find something that works for
>> the majority of us. Can I get a volunteer to get this organized?
>>
>> I know that the trunk team had a "regular" time they'd set up and
>> only used once. Since, er... more than half...I think... of you are
>> on that team as well, is that still an option? I definitely don't
>> want to cut in on Hanno's time with you, but if it's there and not
>> being used, I'm inclined to make a grab at it. ;)
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Alec Mitchell | 5 Jun 2009 06:38
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Re: [Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Calvin
Hendryx-Parker<calvin@...> wrote:
> Here is the link we used to start this process:
>
> http://www.doodle.com/ucb3w2fcqieken28
>
> Based on the responses, generally folks are available Monday and Tuesday at
> 2:00PM US/Eastern time.  This works for me, how about the rest?

These times should generally be OK for me as well.

Alec
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Raphael Ritz | 5 Jun 2009 09:40
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Re: [Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote:
> Here is the link we used to start this process:
>
> http://www.doodle.com/ucb3w2fcqieken28
>
> Based on the responses, generally folks are available Monday and  
> Tuesday at 2:00PM US/Eastern time.  This works for me, how about the  
> rest?
>   

Sould be OK on my side as well (except that Monday
around that time I tried to establish a regular meeting
with Matthew Lange in the course of mentoring him for
GSoC but I'm confident we can live with that as it's just
the two of us)

Raphael

> Others can feel free to still add their preferences into that doodle  
> calendar so we can find the optimal times.
>
> Cheers,
> Cal
>
> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Eric Steele wrote:
>
>   
>> Alright folks... now that I'm officially official, it's time we sat  
>> down and talked. I'd like to get some sort of phone/iChat/Skype  
>> conference together.
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Erik Rose | 5 Jun 2009 19:44
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Re: [Plone 4] Framework team, let's talk...

> Based on the responses, generally folks are available Monday and   
> Tuesday at 2:00PM US/Eastern time.  This works for me, how about  
> the  rest?

Good for me.
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