Re: Installing Plone on Windows XP

LKB wrote:
> 
> Ok, I tried turning off my existing (prePlone) Apache server, and then I
> used the Plone Controller to say "Start Plone", and then clicked on the
> button "View Plone..." and THEN I got this page called Zope QuickStart. Is
> this progress? I can't even tell. Should I be able to see some kind of
> very basic Plone instance? If so, how do I get there?
> 

A novice myself, but I do think/agree that Apache and Zope were in
contention for port :80

IF you are not getting to Zope, I think you could add /Plone to the URL and
get to the plone site. When I ran the Plone3.0 installer, it did something
to redirect any requests to the root (Zope) to the default Plone instance in
/Plone. Sounds like you do not have this. (It caused some other problems
anyway when I tried to have multiple Plone instances onthe one Zope
instance.)
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Re: Installing Plone on Windows XP

Deb --

When I tried adding /plone to the URL, I got a browser containing the
following cryptic text:

<Products.Five.metaclass.Plone object at 0x06022F70>

Great.

I am getting close to writing this product off, particularly given the
vaporware nature of the documentation. There is a lot of documentation, but
very little of the very basic, very specific, "here is how to set this up
and get started from the most basic level" type information.

I could be persuaded not to bail if I could get more information,
particularly from someone who is more experienced than us flailing newbies.
Sigh.

deb193 wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> LKB wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I tried turning off my existing (prePlone) Apache server, and then I
>> used the Plone Controller to say "Start Plone", and then clicked on the
>> button "View Plone..." and THEN I got this page called Zope QuickStart.
>> Is this progress? I can't even tell. Should I be able to see some kind of
>> very basic Plone instance? If so, how do I get there?

plone.app.blob wiht plone 3.1.1

public web site config

I wrote to this mailing list before, but got no response to my questions.

How does one set "public_website" configuration to go directly to
'my.website.org'  whereby visitors are not required to type 
'my.website.org/Plone'?

I have looked at Plone site setup, but the instructions are not understood,
especially  if 'public_website'  setting are the correct ones for such task.

I also wish to understand how I can take my 'complete' web site and move 
to another
computer with "exact same" operating system  and "Unified Plone 3.11 
Installer"
setup.

W. Anderson
wanderson@...

Re: public web site config

W. Anderson wrote:
> 
> I wrote to this mailing list before, but got no response to my questions.
Sorry to hear that, but it happens to just about all of us.

How does one set "public_website" configuration to go directly to
> 'my.website.org'  whereby visitors are not required to type 
> 'my.website.org/Plone'?
> 
> I have looked at Plone site setup, but the instructions are not
> understood,
> especially  if 'public_website'  setting are the correct ones for such
> task.
This depends on your setup: are you planning to use only Plone and Zope to
serve your site?  If so, have a look at Virtual Host Monster configuration:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Virtual+Host+Monster+configuration
If you're also using Apache (or IIS), you'll need to set up a proxy or
rewrite rule to get this working:
http://www.google.com/search?q=plone+apache+rewrite
You might also try the "RewriteRule Witch":
http://betabug.ch/zope/witch

I also wish to understand how I can take my 'complete' web site and move 
> to another computer with "exact same" operating system  and "Unified Plone
> 3.11 
> Installer" setup.
If you truly have the same exact setup on another machine, including the
Products installed in your Plone site, this is as simple as copying your
Data.fs database file (in common Plone installations) and moving it to your
"new" machine:
http://www.google.com/search?q=move+plone+site+data.fs

~John
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Re: Installing Plone on Windows XP

LKB wrote:
> 
> Deb --
> 
> When I tried adding /plone to the URL, I got a browser containing the
> following cryptic text:
> 
> <Products.Five.metaclass.Plone object at 0x06022F70>
> 
This sounds like a bad installation.  Can you please check your Zope/Plone
logs and post any errors that happen to occur simultaneously with this
message?

Great.
> 
> I am getting close to writing this product off, particularly given the
> vaporware nature of the documentation. There is a lot of documentation,
> but very little of the very basic, very specific, "here is how to set this
> up and get started from the most basic level" type information.
Calling the documentation "vaporware" and then claiming "There is a lot of
documentation" is a bit of an oxymoron.  If anything, there may be *too
much* documentation, which (I believe) is one of the things that Plone's
documentation team (which are all volunteers, by the way; this is
open-source) is working to clean up and streamline.

That said, is there something missing from this section of the
documentation:
http://plone.org/documentation/phc_topic_area?topic=Basic+Use

If so, letting people know what you think is missing would be a good start
toward fixing the problem.

I could be persuaded not to bail if I could get more information,
particularly from someone who is more experienced than us flailing newbies.
Sigh.
Bailing is your decision.  I've been using Plone for 1.5 years.  Does that
classify me as a "newbie"?  I've certainly suffered my share of flailing,
and still do in some cases, especially in the realm of customization.  But
I'm still trying, and I'm also trying to answer your questions, though I'm
far from being an "expert".  Maybe that counts for something.

~John

deb193 wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> LKB wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I tried turning off my existing (prePlone) Apache server, and then I
>> used the Plone Controller to say "Start Plone", and then clicked on the
>> button "View Plone..." and THEN I got this page called Zope QuickStart.
>> Is this progress? I can't even tell. Should I be able to see some kind of
>> very basic Plone instance? If so, how do I get there?
>> 
> 
> A novice myself, but I do think/agree that Apache and Zope were in
> contention for port :80
> 
> IF you are not getting to Zope, I think you could add /Plone to the URL
> and get to the plone site. When I ran the Plone3.0 installer, it did
> something to redirect any requests to the root (Zope) to the default Plone
> instance in /Plone. Sounds like you do not have this. (It caused some
> other problems anyway when I tried to have multiple Plone instances onthe
> one Zope instance.)
> 

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Re: Installing Plone on Windows XP

LKB wrote:
> Deb --
> 
> When I tried adding /plone to the URL, I got a browser containing the
> following cryptic text:
> 
> <Products.Five.metaclass.Plone object at 0x06022F70>
> 
> Great.

and what if you go to /Plone instead of /plone?
(or the other way around)

> 
> I am getting close to writing this product off, particularly given the
> vaporware nature of the documentation.

??????????????????????????????????

> There is a lot of documentation, but
> very little of the very basic, very specific, "here is how to set this up
> and get started from the most basic level" type information.
> 
> I could be persuaded not to bail if I could get more information,
> particularly from someone who is more experienced than us flailing newbies.
> Sigh.
> 

Have you seen

   http://www.plonebook.info/

Raphael

> 
> 
> 
> 
> deb193 wrote:
>>
>>
>> LKB wrote:
>>> Ok, I tried turning off my existing (prePlone) Apache server, and then I
>>> used the Plone Controller to say "Start Plone", and then clicked on the
>>> button "View Plone..." and THEN I got this page called Zope QuickStart.
>>> Is this progress? I can't even tell. Should I be able to see some kind of
>>> very basic Plone instance? If so, how do I get there?
>>>
>> A novice myself, but I do think/agree that Apache and Zope were in
>> contention for port :80
>>
>> IF you are not getting to Zope, I think you could add /Plone to the URL
>> and get to the plone site. When I ran the Plone3.0 installer, it did
>> something to redirect any requests to the root (Zope) to the default Plone
>> instance in /Plone. Sounds like you do not have this. (It caused some
>> other problems anyway when I tried to have multiple Plone instances onthe
>> one Zope instance.)
>>
> 

Re: Installing Plone on Windows XP

Raphael Ritz wrote:
> 
> and what if you go to /Plone instead of /plone?
> (or the other way around)
> 

when I try /Plone, I get:

Site Error

An error was encountered while publishing this resource.

Resource not found
Sorry, the requested resource does not exist.

Check the URL and try again.

Resource: Plone GET

Troubleshooting Suggestions

    * The URL may be incorrect.
    * The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect.
    * A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error.

For more detailed information about the error, please refer to the error
log.

If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your
patience. 

As for Plonebook, 

   http://www.plonebook.info

I just downloaded and skimmed it, and it had NO installation information. It
coyly mentions, on page 205, that an installation manual is provided "with
the software package", but neglects to say where that manual is located. No
sign of it in the Plone folders that I can see. ????

Thanks. 

Raphael

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Re: Installing Plone on Windows XP

deesto wrote:
> 
> 
> LKB wrote:
>> 
>> When I tried adding /plone to the URL, I got a browser containing the
>> following cryptic text:
>> 
>> <Products.Five.metaclass.Plone object at 0x06022F70>
>> 
> This sounds like a bad installation.  Can you please check your Zope/Plone
> logs and post any errors that happen to occur simultaneously with this
> message?
> 
> 

And I would find these logs WHERE exactly? Are there both Zope and Plone
logs? 

> I am getting close to writing this product off, particularly given the
> vaporware nature of the documentation. There is a lot of documentation,
> but very little of the very basic, very specific, "here is how to set this
> up and get started from the most basic level" type information.

Calling the documentation "vaporware" and then claiming "There is a lot of
documentation" is a bit of an oxymoron.  

 very little of the very basic, very specific, "here is how to set this up
and get started from the most basic level" type information

Um, read for meaning. Not an oxymoron at all. I can't figure out:

1) Specific and precise installation instructions for the windows XP
installer. 
2) Where to find log files
3) If it matters WHAT LOCATION i install the product in
4) How to view my local installation, and how to tell what is wrong with it
if it's not running properly. 

If anything, there may be *too much* documentation, which (I believe) is one
of the things that Plone's documentation team (which are all volunteers, by
the way; this is open-source) is working to clean up and streamline.

That said, is there something missing from this section of the
documentation:
http://plone.org/documentation/phc_topic_area?topic=Basic+Use

If so, letting people know what you think is missing would be a good start
toward fixing the problem.

See above!

Also, is there an 'uninstaller', or a recommended method for uninstalling
and re-installing the Windows XP kit?

I think I've been quite specific. 
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Problem with Workflow/WorkingCopy

version information:
Plone 3.0.0-3.1.1
plone.app.iterate 1.0-1.1.0 (working copy support)

my problem (traceable on a blank Plone site, installed "Working Copy 
Support" via control-panel):
I have a user who can add documents to my site. I don't want to trust 
him so much, that i am willing to give him the "publish" right.
All items must go throught the review cycle, and he isn't allowed to 
modify published documents. Now i need working copy support, to check 
out the document, review it an publish the new version. Until then i 
want the old version online.
The problem is, that he can't check out documents without the 
"modify_portal_contents" right.
The problem is open in the issue tracker 
(http://plone.org/products/iterate/issues/24)
Any suggestions?

regards,
Benjamin Bauer