Plone i18n discussions

Minor LinguaPlone changes

Hi:

I have a couple of changes to merge into LinguaPlone trunk, but I
wanted to comment them here, in case someone has any objection:

1. Show the language list in "translate into" menu in its native form:
Currently the menu shows the language names with its english name what
is many times weird for users. Moreover the language change viewlet
already shows the language name in its native form.

2. Mark current content's translations for search engines: Google
published in december a way to mark the translations of the current
content with HTML <link> tags. This change adds a viewlet in the
header section with this URLs. More information about Google's
suggestions:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2011/12/new-markup-for-multilingual-content.html

These changes are in my current fork of LinguaPlone in GitHub, if
there's no objection I merge them into the trunk (or master or
whatever... I am not yet used to the github workflow... ;))

Best,

Mikel

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Ed Manlove | 7 Feb 17:42

Re: Minor LinguaPlone changes

On 02/07/2012 09:58 AM, Mikel Larreategi wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have a couple of changes to merge into LinguaPlone trunk, but I
> wanted to comment them here, in case someone has any objection:
>
> 1. Show the language list in "translate into" menu in its native form:
> Currently the menu shows the language names with its english name what
> is many times weird for users. Moreover the language change viewlet
> already shows the language name in its native form.
>

Mikel,

I think the language list under Site Setup->Language should have both 
the language name within the current set langauge and its native tongue, 
showing the format as

Language name in current language (native language)

For example, if the current language is English, the language setting 
list should look like

...
French (français)
German (Deutsch)
Hebrew (עברית)
...

or if the current language is français,

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Mikel Larreategi | 8 Feb 08:06

Re: Minor LinguaPlone changes

2012/2/7 Ed Manlove <devPyPlTw <at> verizon.net>:
> On 02/07/2012 09:58 AM, Mikel Larreategi wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> I have a couple of changes to merge into LinguaPlone trunk, but I
>> wanted to comment them here, in case someone has any objection:
>>
>> 1. Show the language list in "translate into" menu in its native form:
>> Currently the menu shows the language names with its english name what
>> is many times weird for users. Moreover the language change viewlet
>> already shows the language name in its native form.
>>
>
> Mikel,
>
> I think the language list under Site Setup->Language should have both
> the language name within the current set langauge and its native tongue,
> showing the format as
>
> Language name in current language (native language)
>
> For example, if the current language is English, the language setting
> list should look like
>
> ...
> French (français)
> German (Deutsch)
> Hebrew (עברית)
> ...
>

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Jean Jordaan | 8 Feb 08:11

Re: Minor LinguaPlone changes

> 1. Show the language list in "translate into" menu in its native form:
> Currently the menu shows the language names with its english name

Be careful with this. I struggle to switch Google back to English in
Thai internet cafes, because the list of languages is in Thai, which I
can't read.

Ed Manlove's suggestion (to show both forms) is good.

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Eric Steele | 8 Feb 13:37

Plone 4.1.4/4.2b2

Hi all,

I'd like to make releases of 4.1.4 and 4.2b2 on Friday of this week. Could I have a new release of plone.app.locales?

Thanks,

Eric

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Vincent Fretin | 9 Feb 09:24

Re: Plone 4.1.4/4.2b2

Hi everyone,

You have 2 new messages in plone.app.ldap domain
and 4 new messages in plone domain for Plone 4.2b2

Eric, I did a fix in plone.app.collection.

Argh and I cannot commit on plone.app.locales because the plone svn is now read only.
What do I do?
plone.app.locales uses svn externals to collective. I don't think it's a good idea to move it to github.

Vincent

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Eric Steele <ericsteele47-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Hi all,

I'd like to make releases of 4.1.4 and 4.2b2 on Friday of this week. Could I have a new release of plone.app.locales?

Thanks,

Eric

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Eric Steele | 10 Feb 02:36

Re: Plone 4.1.4/4.2b2

Thanks.

I'll check with the AI team to see if we can unlock that.

plone.app.collection 1.0.2 is released.

Eric

On Thursday, February 9, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Vincent Fretin wrote:

Hi everyone,

You have 2 new messages in plone.app.ldap domain
and 4 new messages in plone domain for Plone 4.2b2

Eric, I did a fix in plone.app.collection.

Argh and I cannot commit on plone.app.locales because the plone svn is now read only.
What do I do?
plone.app.locales uses svn externals to collective. I don't think it's a good idea to move it to github.

Vincent

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Eric Steele <ericsteele47 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I'd like to make releases of 4.1.4 and 4.2b2 on Friday of this week. Could I have a new release of plone.app.locales?

Thanks,

Eric

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Vincent Fretin | 10 Feb 08:56

Re: Plone 4.1.4/4.2b2

Hi,

I couldn't wait, I'm not available today.
So I imported the structure of the plone.app.locales package to svn collective to be able to make the release.
plone.app.locales 4.0.11 released and plone-coredev buildout 4.1 and 4.2 updated.

We can keep the plone.app.locales empty package to svn collective or
in the long-term migrate both plone.app.locales and PloneTranslations to github. The question is github plone or github collective?
What translators think about it?

Vincent

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Eric Steele <ericsteele47-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Thanks.

I'll check with the AI team to see if we can unlock that.

plone.app.collection 1.0.2 is released.

Eric

On Thursday, February 9, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Vincent Fretin wrote:

Hi everyone,

You have 2 new messages in plone.app.ldap domain
and 4 new messages in plone domain for Plone 4.2b2

Eric, I did a fix in plone.app.collection.

Argh and I cannot commit on plone.app.locales because the plone svn is now read only.
What do I do?
plone.app.locales uses svn externals to collective. I don't think it's a good idea to move it to github.

Vincent

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Eric Steele <ericsteele47-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Hi all,

I'd like to make releases of 4.1.4 and 4.2b2 on Friday of this week. Could I have a new release of plone.app.locales?

Thanks,

Eric

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Mikel Larreategi | 10 Feb 09:32

Re: Plone 4.1.4/4.2b2

2012/2/10 Vincent Fretin <vincent.fretin@...>:
> Hi,
>
> I couldn't wait, I'm not available today.
> So I imported the structure of the plone.app.locales package to svn
> collective to be able to make the release.
> plone.app.locales 4.0.11 released and plone-coredev buildout 4.1 and 4.2
> updated.
>
> We can keep the plone.app.locales empty package to svn collective or
> in the long-term migrate both plone.app.locales and PloneTranslations to
> github. The question is github plone or github collective?
> What translators think about it?
>

There two points here:

1. Plone/Collective

Until now translations were not 'Plone core" I continued editing
through collective... I think that the choice should be made by the
Foundation, to consider translations as "plone core" and thus require
a contributor agreement or not.

2. SVN -> Github

Should this package also be migrated to Github? Are the translators
confortable with Github? It's not the same to work on a plone product
and to translate PO files... I don't know... I prefer to use SVN for
this case, but i wouldn't mind moving to github. I'm +-0 on this :)

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Vincent Fretin | 14 Feb 11:26

Re: Plone 4.1.4/4.2b2

Hi,

I propose to migrate both plone.app.locales and PloneTranslations to github collective.
So you will have a package plone.app.locales on github collective and the actual PloneTranslations/trunk will be in plone.app.locales/plone/app/locales/locales. No more svn external. The PloneTranslations/trunk/i18n/kupu will be moved to Products.kupu/i18n on collective svn where it belongs.
But I think we can't easily keep the history of both package. I suggest to import PloneTranslations as plone.app.locales on github so we have the history of translations, then import the structure of plone.app.locales package. We will lose the previous tags of plone.app.locales. svn tags of plone.app.locales have svn externals set to a specific collective svn revision, it will be useless to git anyway.

There is some advantage to github.
You can fix a typo online.
A lambda user can propose a better translation just by adding a comment to a commit for example,

Vincent

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