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L'oiseau2nuit (ex- Zzz. | 1 Dec 14:51
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I would have posted the same but Gilles did it faster :)

First of all : what do you think about the current way to find any
documentation on Spip ?

- Would you like to get a single point to download/get informed/whatever
you need/... about spip and how do you think it should be organised

- if ever : would you like to contribute to such project ?

- or maybe you think the current situation is good enough to do what you
need with Spip.

I'm ready to bring help to such development too. I'm just waiting for any
idea and feedback : debate is open :)

Have all a nice day.

Etienne B.

On Fri, November 30, 2007 7:34 pm, Gilles Vincent wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On IRC has been recently discussed the opportunity of creating an
> English-only website. It would be simple, easy to use. It's objective
> would be for example to find rapidly the information for
> documentation, plugins. But not only, it's just an idea..
>
> Actually there is a lot of official websites for SPIP, each of them
> related to a more or less specific part of our preferred CMS ;)
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George Kandalaft | 1 Dec 15:16
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Hi

Before deciding on a dedicated English site, I think we better stress on 
translating as many French articles as possible in the existing 
sites.That way, when the original sites decide to re-organise we can 
decide either to stick with them since translations are taken into 
account in those sites or dedicate new sites for English.

George

Gilles Vincent wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On IRC has been recently discussed the opportunity of creating an
> English-only website. It would be simple, easy to use. It's objective
> would be for example to find rapidly the information for
> documentation, plugins. But not only, it's just an idea..
>
> Actually there is a lot of official websites for SPIP, each of them
> related to a more or less specific part of our preferred CMS ;)
>
> Because we must start with something, which aspects best interest you ?
>
> I would really enjoy helping to develop such a site.
>
>
> .Gilles
>
> PS.:
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Simon Schneebeli | 2 Dec 00:00
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Hmm. I really like the idea of an English only spip-site. But I very 
much agree with George that it would be really important to do a very 
good planning, and not just ad a new website (and make it even more 
difficult to find up to date and accurate information).

There is another point that I'm somehow worried about: Spip started as a 
French project. Now it's quite international and multilingual (although 
the development team is still quite French, right George?). Now, a new 
English only webpage would somehow break with this multilingual 
tradition. So how will this affect on the very long term the evolution 
of SPIP and the SPIP community? I'd say that the positive effects would 
probably predominate, but we should still try to limitate negative effects.

Simon

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George Kandalaft wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Before deciding on a dedicated English site, I think we better stress on 
> translating as many French articles as possible in the existing 
> sites.That way, when the original sites decide to re-organise we can 
> decide either to stick with them since translations are taken into 
> account in those sites or dedicate new sites for English.
>
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Gilles Vincent | 2 Dec 04:02
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Hi,

the idea isn't to integrate such a website to the officials :
it's basically a portal that would sump up the principal information
concerning Spip.

The objective is to find rapidly the information (like the glossary*)
and to identify what isn't enough detailled elsewhere
(in order to contribute to spip-contrib by translating such articles, for ex.)

A lot of french websites are speaking about Spip and it's plugin.
Such information is missing imho for english speaking people.

An option is to build it with gribouille like
http://www.spip-contrib.net/-Carnet-SPIP-

.Gilles
France
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On Dec 2, 2007 12:41 AM, Brian Walker <bwalker@...> wrote:
> I believe the concept of an English (only) web site to be, a priori,
> defective.
>
> The objectives deducible from the correspondence to date, have nothing to do
> with the language. They do, however, identify defects and short-comings in
> the present sites dedicated to SPIP.
>
> What is needed is a multilingual site embracing all aspects of developing,
> using and learning and promoting  SPIP.
>
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L'oiseau2nuit (ex- Zzz. | 2 Dec 13:05
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Hi Georges,

You're right ! And the reasons you mentioned are exactly the ones who
pushed me in the idea of launching this debate on irc last week.

I"m not speaking about spip.net who is allready well organised concerning
translated articles, but the site on which i'm currently working on
translating wh

On Sat, December 1, 2007 3:16 pm, George Kandalaft wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Before deciding on a dedicated English site, I think we better stress on
> translating as many French articles as possible in the existing
> sites.That way, when the original sites decide to re-organise we can
> decide either to stick with them since translations are taken into
> account in those sites or dedicate new sites for English.
>
>
> George
>
>
> Gilles Vincent wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On IRC has been recently discussed the opportunity of creating an
>> English-only website. It would be simple, easy to use. It's objective
>> would be for example to find rapidly the information for
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L'oiseau2nuit (ex- Zzz. | 2 Dec 13:14
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> Hi Georges,
>
> You're right ! And the reasons you mentioned are exactly the ones who
> pushed me in the idea of launching this debate on irc last week.
>
> I"m not speaking about spip.net who is allready well organised concerning
> translated articles, but the site on which i'm currently working on,
> translating whatever i can (Spip-contrib.net) is currently reorganising
itself in a way I'm not sure it will be easy to find what you need in
english.

That's why I spoke about this idea on irc to launch a new website, english
dedicated.

For the moment we are not so much people involved in translations on
Spip-contrib. So maybe a new website oriented toward english-speaking
users will generate a new motivation around this translation work.

Etienne.

PS : I'm sorry for my first uncompleted mail,
I've done a little mistake on my keyboard ;)

>
> On Sat, December 1, 2007 3:16 pm, George Kandalaft wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> Before deciding on a dedicated English site, I think we better stress on
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L'oiseau2nuit (ex- Zzz. | 2 Dec 13:25
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Hello, you are also right Simon,

That's why I do not want to launch anything, untill I have any
"validation"  from the french developers team.

What I mean is that i'd like this possibly new english-site would be
validated by the current french community as a new project to follow and
work on commonly.

I know that in this french developpers/users community, there are a lot of
people speaking english as well as french. So If we can get their support
on this project, that would break your fears around this community long
term evolution, wouldn't it ?

On my own, my contributions for this english website would be only
translations of what existing currently on french websites. currently that
is the best I can do.

Etienne.

On Sun, December 2, 2007 12:00 am, Simon Schneebeli wrote:
> Hmm. I really like the idea of an English only spip-site. But I very
> much agree with George that it would be really important to do a very
> good planning, and not just ad a new website (and make it even more
> difficult to find up to date and accurate information).
>
> There is another point that I'm somehow worried about: Spip started as a
> French project. Now it's quite international and multilingual (although
> the development team is still quite French, right George?). Now, a new
> English only webpage would somehow break with this multilingual
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L'oiseau2nuit (ex- Zzz. | 2 Dec 13:32
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Hi Brian,

I'm afraid i did not understand so well your opinion. May you please
precise it a bit ?

>> The future of this excellent application relies on the contributions of
>> the
>> best minds available. These "best minds" are unlikely to be found
>> exclusively in the Francophone or the Anglophone sub communities.
>>

Fact is that currently, There are some lingual sub communities, the
principal goal is to transform them in a part of the global spip
community. I don't really like this concept of "sub-community" for me you
are part of The Community as well as we, french people, are !

And that's why I've thought of this website, as a prolongation of what
exists currently.

Regards ;)

Etienne.

On Sun, December 2, 2007 4:02 am, Gilles Vincent wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> the idea isn't to integrate such a website to the officials :
> it's basically a portal that would sump up the principal information
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George Kandalaft | 2 Dec 13:47
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I didn't know that SPIP-contrib is having a facelift (I am not much of a 
chatty sort of bloke and I never used a chat tool before). Perhaps, I 
have a different perspective on the matter b4ecause I may be the only 
one in the multilingual community who has to deal with two languages 
(English and Arabic). That is why I like to see everything centralised 
(French and all other languages in on space).

If SPIP-Contrib is being re-organised, why don't we add to it a 
translation monitor like the one on spip.net 
(http://www.spip.net/trad.php3) but with a better structure such as 
sorting the articles by sections and sub-sections?

George

L'oiseau2nuit (ex- Zzz.) wrote:

>> Hi Georges,
>>
>> You're right ! And the reasons you mentioned are exactly the ones who
>> pushed me in the idea of launching this debate on irc last week.
>>
>> I"m not speaking about spip.net who is allready well organised concerning
>> translated articles, but the site on which i'm currently working on,
>> translating whatever i can (Spip-contrib.net) is currently reorganising
>>     
> itself in a way I'm not sure it will be easy to find what you need in
> english.
>
> That's why I spoke about this idea on irc to launch a new website, english
> dedicated.
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L'oiseau2nuit (ex- Zzz. | 2 Dec 14:21
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The idea is not bad (adding to S-C a Translation interface as on Spip.net)

Spip-Contrib is currently organised like following :

-Lang Section
|- contrib-section

It means, in every language root section, there are as much section than
contributions. They want to centralise in one dedicated section, all
relating to a single contribution. Untill now that was not the case on the
english section, but now it seems that they also want to get all lingual
contributions in the same global tree system.

I'm not sure that's the best way to find what we need but maybe i'm wrong.

Rgds,
Etienne

On Sun, December 2, 2007 1:47 pm, George Kandalaft wrote:
> I didn't know that SPIP-contrib is having a facelift (I am not much of a
> chatty sort of bloke and I never used a chat tool before). Perhaps, I
> have a different perspective on the matter b4ecause I may be the only
> one in the multilingual community who has to deal with two languages
> (English and Arabic). That is why I like to see everything centralised
> (French and all other languages in on space).
>
>
> If SPIP-Contrib is being re-organised, why don't we add to it a
> translation monitor like the one on spip.net
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