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Elisa | 1 Sep 2004 04:14

RE: [Sigia-l] challenging users vs. revealing that content/products are unavailable

Samantha -

If it is any help, banks do this all of the time.  I know that when I went
to
open my online account at my bank, the first thing that they asked was
what state I was in.... nothing else. Particularly in banking, regulations
vary so much from state-to-state that they have to screen that way.

I would prefer not to be shown options for which I am not eligible.

just my thoughts...

elisa

Elisa Miller
elisa <at> txmillers.com
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Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. "
                                                                 Goethe

On Aug 27, 2004, at 3:29 PM, Samantha Bailey wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to poll the group to get some input/feedback on a situation
> we've
> encountered.
> I'm interested to hear from you whether you've encountered this
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Katrin Gehrke | 1 Sep 2004 16:52
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[Sigia-l] Accessibility guidelines in Great Britain

Hi,

maybe someone is familiar with this issue:
We are checking the current law regarding accessibility in Great Britain. 
The "Code of Practice" (2002) by the Disability Rights Commission 
regulates that "reasonable adjustments" for disabled persons have to be 
carried out.
This regulation includes web sites, even if the web site is maintained by 
a private enterprise.

Now my question: What exactly are "reasonable adjustments" in regard to 
web sites? 
We are familiar with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) by 
the W3C. 
Are "reasonable adjustments" conform with priority 1 (must), 2 (should) or 
3 (may) of the WCAG?

Thanks in advance,
Katrin Gehrke

Proximity Group Germany GmbH (GWA)
Dorotheenstrasse 64
22301 Hamburg

tel. +49 (0)40/27852-385
fax +49 (0)40/27852-401

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Dave Collins | 1 Sep 2004 17:49

RE: [Sigia-l] Accessibility guidelines in Great Britain

>Now my question: What exactly are "reasonable adjustments" in regard to

web sites? 
We are familiar with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) by 
the W3C. 
Are "reasonable adjustments" conform with priority 1 (must), 2 (should)
or 
3 (may) of the WCAG?

I've no experience with such matters but,

I'm betting that, since it's not well-defined, it's not legally
enforceable, thus the intent is really more a matter of voluntary
compliance - get ahead of game and no one will have to get heavy about
enforcing in the future. It also means the level of compliance is at
your discretion.

IMO, certainly, the 'must' would be included. The 'should' would be
matter of whether your org wants to be proactive or just minimally
compliant.

Dave

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michel.milano | 1 Sep 2004 19:42
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Re: [Sigia-l] challenging [cheese]


not to be critical,
but in the interest of this particular topic thread and with respect 
to the inviolable hilarity of pythonalia,
i could not let this stand quite as it was:
the sketch is such that after beginning, and after the customer has 
been guessing for some time,
the shop owner *attempts to offer* some cheesy comestible suggestions 
- but the customer insists
that he is keen to guess, and continues to inquire. the customer 
never asks the proprietor to
offer a suggestion.

cheese guess follows cheese guess, all without satisfaction.
when the shop owner finally admits that he is deliberately wasting 
the customer's time,
the customer shoots him.

draw what analogous conclusions you may.

(episode 33, season 3)
/m/milano

by the way, the skit was written with a theasurus only. check roget's 
entry for 'cheese.'

>At 20:48 -0700 30/08/2004, Dwayne King wrote:
>...
>I don't know if there are any Monty Python fans out there, but when 
>I read this post I was immediately reminded of one of the Flying
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Boniface Lau | 2 Sep 2004 03:16
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RE: [Sigia-l] Accessibility guidelines in Great Britain


> From: Katrin Gehrke
>  
> Now my question: What exactly are "reasonable adjustments" in regard
> to web sites?

For a building, reasonable adjustment is often adding ramps for
wheelchair access. For a web site, it can be adding capability to
allow users adjust absolute size text, use a higher contrast color
scheme, navigate menus using keyboards, etc.

> We are familiar with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG)
> by the W3C. Are "reasonable adjustments" conform with priority 1
> (must), 2 (should) or 3 (may) of the WCAG?

It depends on the affected area. For example, if a reasonable
adjustment allows users to access an area otherwise inaccessible, then
such adjustment is a priority 1.

 
Boniface

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Webindexing | 2 Sep 2004 08:13
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[Sigia-l] Tilde for synonym search in Google

Hello,

Google now allows the use of the tilde sign (~) before a search term to
expand the search to include synonyms of the term. They give the example
of searching for '~food ~facts' to also find information on nutrition
and cooking(http://www.google.com/help/refinesearch.html). 

As I understand it this should EXPAND a search, thus retrieving more
hits. Has anyone used it, and does anyone see the logic behind a search
for '~odor' retrieving LESS hits than a search for 'odor'?

Glenda.

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> On Behalf Of michel.milano
> Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2004 3:43 AM
> To: SIGIA-L
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] challenging [cheese]
> 
> 
> 
> not to be critical,
> but in the interest of this particular topic thread and with respect 
> to the inviolable hilarity of pythonalia,
> i could not let this stand quite as it was:
> the sketch is such that after beginning, and after the customer has 
> been guessing for some time,
> the shop owner *attempts to offer* some cheesy comestible suggestions 
> - but the customer insists
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Jonathan Baker-Bates | 2 Sep 2004 10:42
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RE: [Sigia-l] Accessibility guidelines in Great Britain

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sigia-l-admin <at> asis.org [mailto:sigia-l-admin <at> asis.org] 
> On Behalf Of Boniface Lau
> Sent: 02 September 2004 02:17
> To: sigia-l <at> asis.org
> Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] Accessibility guidelines in Great Britain
> 
> 
> > From: Katrin Gehrke
> >  
> > Now my question: What exactly are "reasonable adjustments" 
> in regard 
> > to web sites?
> 
> For a building, reasonable adjustment is often adding ramps 
> for wheelchair access. For a web site, it can be adding 
> capability to allow users adjust absolute size text, use a 
> higher contrast color scheme, navigate menus using keyboards, etc.
> 
> 
> > We are familiar with the Web Content Accessibility 
> Guidelines (WCAG) 
> > by the W3C. Are "reasonable adjustments" conform with priority 1 
> > (must), 2 (should) or 3 (may) of the WCAG?
> 
> It depends on the affected area. For example, if a reasonable 
> adjustment allows users to access an area otherwise 
> inaccessible, then such adjustment is a priority 1.
>
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Melissa Riesland | 2 Sep 2004 17:30
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[Sigia-l] Job: Information Architect II

NOTE: Respond to JOBS <at> ONVIA.COM

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Information Architect II

Opportunity:
The Information Architect II serves as a member
of the Information Architecture team, whose goal
is to improve indexing, data quality, and
information retrieval for both internal users and
external recipients. Possible projects would
include taxonomy development and data cleanup.
The Information Architect II will work closely
with the research, development, and database
teams. 

Core Responsibilities and Deliverables: 
•	Developing, testing, and implementing
taxonomies and other information organization and
retrieval tools
•	Participating in both automated and manual
cleanup of “dirty” data, including working with
developers and DBAs to develop tools and
implement changes

Position Qualifications:
•	Experience with taxonomies and classification
theory
•	Experience with database querying, schemas, and
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Peter Boersma | 2 Sep 2004 19:12

[Sigia-l] RE: Accessibility guidelines in Great Britain

Katrin Gehrke <Katrin.Gehrke <at> proximity.de> wrote:
> We are checking the current law regarding accessibility in Great Britain.
[snip]
> Now my question: What exactly are "reasonable adjustments" in regard to
> web sites?

There's a good article on this exact subject on Out-Law.com (www.outlaw.com)
called "Disabled access to web sites under UK law". You need to register
(for free) to see the article. Some quotes:

"To be safe, your site should satisfy Priority 1 (or Level A). Although
there is no relevant case law on the UK Act, a case was brought in Australia
which did refer to the W3C conformance levels. This case was based on an
Australian law which is very similar to the UK law, so a UK court might be
persuaded to follow it."

"The consensus is that we will soon see a [..] case against a [..] company.
Accordingly, you should make sure your site complies at least with Level A
of the W3CÂ’s WAI guidelines."

Read the article and, for details, contact Struan Roberton (see contacts
section). He gave a presentation about the subject at a presentation of the
so-called DRC findings (www.drc-gb.org/), organized by Bunnyfoot
(www.bunnyfoot.com) in May of this year.

Peter
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Peter Boersma - Senior Information Architect - EzGov
Rijnsburgstraat 11 - 1059AT Amsterdam - The Netherlands
t: +31(0)20 7133881 - f: +31(0)20 7133799 - m: +31(0)6 15072747
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Subir Kumedan | 2 Sep 2004 19:53
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[Sigia-l] A $1000 un-usable remote control

Should make for some interesting reading - well written...

The King of Remotes, but Try to Grasp It - The Pronto Pro
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/02/garden/02REMO.html?8hpib

Highlights:
The ProntoPro requires a manual to understand the Pronto manual- the 138-page "Ultimate Pronto
Guide" 

"Creating a configuration in the Pronto is not an event," the author writes. "It is a journey."

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