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Jursa, Jan (init | 2 Dec 2003 14:38
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[Sigia-l] information in cartography symbols


> Hi list,
> 
> i am looking for theories and concepts regarding symbols used in
> cartography.
> 
> i have questions like:
> many maps present information about quantity by scaling a distinct symbol.
> obviously this can become a problem when one has to combine different
> symbols which are in close neighborhood.
> wouldn't it be better to keep the size of an symbol constant but alter
> instead it's "decoration" (that is, one could have a simple box, a box
> with one star, a box with two stars...)  ?
> 
> cheers from berlin,
> 
> jan
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Hankinson, Jody | 2 Dec 2003 21:47

RE: [Sigia-l] Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts

I'm a little late to the thread, but I'm surprised by what wasn't posted...

Have you shared your motivations for wanting the navigation a certain way? I
have learned through trial and error that tension arises between the
Designers and the IAs, because there isn't enough sharing of the project
goals, interface goals and the *usability* goals, i.e. "I'd like the
navigation on the left because proximity better illustrates relationships
between the categories, but it also gives us room to grow the navigation in
the future without subjecting everyone to a new design."

If that approach isn't successful, ask for one of the design treatments to
be a reflection of your goals. Three treatments seems to be the norm and
I've yet to have anyone balk at trying to prove me wrong by poorly designing
the approach they don't like. The process can be illuminating for the
designer, but it also gives me something I can use for a friends & family
test. Amazing what a quick test around the office can prove even if the
color pallet looks like vomit.

Lastly, designers breathe life into our work the same way a developer does.
Sometimes you just have to let go and wait for round two.

- Jody

Jody Hankinson | Information Architect
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Brett-Luxaco | 2 Dec 2003 22:13

Re: [Sigia-l] Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts

Hi,

I think you are right about IAs not working with designers or even the
developers. I have been in a firm where rarely they interacted and it did
lead to bits of struggle, even though each were really cool people. Usually
once the IA is finished their work they leave the project, what happens when
things happen and changes have to be made, who is left making them, the
designer?

Not too sure where this independent attitude is coming from? I work for
myself so know how one effects the other and all are equally as important as
the other.

Brett
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> I'm a little late to the thread, but I'm surprised by what wasn't
posted...
>
> Have you shared your motivations for wanting the navigation a certain way?
I
> have learned through trial and error that tension arises between the
> Designers and the IAs, because there isn't enough sharing of the project
> goals, interface goals and the *usability* goals, i.e. "I'd like the
> navigation on the left because proximity better illustrates relationships
> between the categories, but it also gives us room to grow the navigation
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Dave Collins | 2 Dec 2003 23:36

RE: [Sigia-l] Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts


>I think you are right about IAs not working with designers or even the
>developers. I have been in a firm where rarely they interacted and it did
>lead to bits of struggle, even though each were really cool people. Usually
>once the IA is finished their work they leave the project, what happens
when
>things happen and changes have to be made, who is left making them, the
designer?

Leave the project??? Not till its rolled out! That's whjat iterative
development is all about. (At least that's true for usability/UI. Is it true
for IA?)
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Alexander Johannesen | 2 Dec 2003 23:40
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Re: [Sigia-l] Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts

Brett-Luxaco <brett <at> luxaco.com> wrote:

> I think you are right about IAs not working with designers or even the
> developers. I have been in a firm where rarely they interacted and it did
> lead to bits of struggle, even though each were really cool people.

In my last three years in one of Norways most successful consultancy
companies, my experiences are the reverse; the IA's were involved in
every part of the projects, from specification to deployment, so it
is not a universal constant. This applied to not only IA's working
in my company, but also external consultants (IA's) working on various
projects.

...

> Not too sure where this independent attitude is coming from?

 From your own experiences, I would guess. There is no "such and such
are what IA's are like." They come in all shapes and sizes, just like
any other fellow out there.

The conclusion might be that you've had similar experiences, though,
but that hardly makes it a universal constant.

Alexander
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Michael Rabjohns | 3 Dec 2003 15:36
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[Sigia-l] IA, Metrics & org structure

Our firm is considering restructuring its web team, and I'm curious to know
which org structures other firms have chosen, and whether or not they're
working. In particular, we're debating how the IA and Metrics (aka
Measurement & Analytics) teams should relate - both on same level, one
reporting to the other, etc.)

Where did IA fit in the organizations you've worked at? Here are a few
options: 

IA, Usability and Metrics report to higher-level manager responsible for
entire web team

IA reports to Metrics

IA reports to Creative

IA reports to IT

Other

Please respond to me offlist at michael_rabjohns <at> hotmail.com. I'll post the
results (without giving company names) by the end of the week.

Thanks!
Michael

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Donna M. Fritzsche | 3 Dec 2003 15:43

Re: [Sigia-l] IA, Metrics & org structure

What are the responsibilities of your metrics team? I have never 
heard of this as a separate group.

Thanks!

Donna

At 9:36 AM -0500 12/3/03, Michael Rabjohns wrote:
>Our firm is considering restructuring its web team, and I'm curious to know
>which org structures other firms have chosen, and whether or not they're
>working. In particular, we're debating how the IA and Metrics (aka
>Measurement & Analytics) teams should relate - both on same level, one
>reporting to the other, etc.)
>
>Where did IA fit in the organizations you've worked at? Here are a few
>options:
>
>IA, Usability and Metrics report to higher-level manager responsible for
>entire web team
>
>IA reports to Metrics
>
>IA reports to Creative
>
>IA reports to IT
>
>Other
>
>
>Please respond to me offlist at michael_rabjohns <at> hotmail.com. I'll post the
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Sean Lawrence | 3 Dec 2003 17:44

Re: [Sigia-l] IA, Metrics & org structure

I think it's pretty normal for M&A to be their own group in a Marketing 
agency.  They usually report in to a Strategy group.  I think IA 
reporting into M&A could be potentially disastrous personally.  IA 
should definitely be co-equal reporting into a higher level managerial 
structure as IA's use M&A's deliverables to inform their own work. 

Metrics normally are the data crunchers, the folks who sift through vast 
databases to perform statistical, OLAP and other forms of analysis to 
determine consumer/user behavior.

Donna M. Fritzsche wrote:

> What are the responsibilities of your metrics team? I have never heard 
> of this as a separate group.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Donna
>
> At 9:36 AM -0500 12/3/03, Michael Rabjohns wrote:
>
>> Our firm is considering restructuring its web team, and I'm curious 
>> to know
>> which org structures other firms have chosen, and whether or not they're
>> working. In particular, we're debating how the IA and Metrics (aka
>> Measurement & Analytics) teams should relate - both on same level, one
>> reporting to the other, etc.)
>>
>> Where did IA fit in the organizations you've worked at? Here are a few
>> options:
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Pablo Lerner | 3 Dec 2003 18:10
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[Sigia-l] RE: Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts (Lerner, Pablo)

I've been reading the issue, about the "tension" between the IA and the
designers. I'm sure that here in Argentina, we have a different way for
work, for management, for seeing the IA. At the UBA (University of Buenos
Aires) since we started with the project of our website (4 years ago), we
joined with graphic designers, web programmers, editors. We strongly believe
in a multidisciplinary work, an interaction space, as a learning oportunity.
When Microsoft supported the Risk Model Management,  that push us to work
separated, we choosed the strategic planning for management with the
critical thinking as a valuable source. In conclusion, that tension that u
mention we doesnt have.

Pablo Lerner
www.uba.ar

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Hankinson, Jody | 3 Dec 2003 18:37

RE: [Sigia-l] Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts

I think the practice comes from a couple of different things. Cost is
probably the biggest - for so long projects have been using the waterfall
approach to project management so they see the roles as a step instead of a
continuous process. As part of that, the iterative development approach
looks messy on paper and is often perceived as hard to manage - too many
overlapping pieces. It lacks the efficiency of line work. The challenge then
becomes to change the comparison and explain why things should NOT be
compared to line work.

Also, silos happen in organizations where people feel as though they need to
protect their own. I've been doing some reading around organizational
structures and the implications of influence and power within an
organization. It has left me wondering if there are two big challenges
facing IAs: the first is to find a management style and philosophy that
enables an IA to practice, and the second is to establish the practice
(whatever that may be).

- Jody

Jody Hankinson | Information Architect
212.852.5051 | jhankinson <at> girlscouts.org
GSUSA | Where Girls Grow Strong | 420 Fifth Avenue, NY, NY 10018

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