Dan Brickley | 23 Jul 2003 09:58
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Re: seeAlso

copying foaf list for interest (and non-yahoo archival :)

* Julian Bond <julian_bond@...> [2003-07-23 08:00+0100]
> One of the powerful ideas in FOAF is the widespread use of rdfs:seeAlso
> 
> Could this be usefully applied in RSS?

It can be used in any RDF-based format whenever you've mentioned
something and want to reference more (typically machine-processable, RDF) 
info about it elsewhere in the Web. 

In non-RDF formats, you could copy the basic idea, just as you could 
copy aspects of RDF's approach to namespace composition and
extensibility. The idea is of course little more than the old-fashioned 
notion of a hyperlink, so no rocket science here.

If you wanted to use it in RSS, you could do it this way:

Starting with a Movable Type RSS 1.0 feed, http://rdfweb.org/index.rdf

<item rdf:about="http://rdfweb.org/mt/foaflog/archives/000043.html">
<title>nearestAirport documentation in Japanese</title>
<link>http://rdfweb.org/mt/foaflog/archives/000043.html</link>
<description>From kota&apos;s weblog, details on using
&apos;nearestAirport&apos; in FOAF files. Thanks kota! The
&apos;contact:nearestAirport&apos; property is a way of
indicating...</description>
<dc:subject>Documentation</dc:subject>
<dc:creator>danbri</dc:creator>
<dc:date>2003-07-13T11:54:58+00:00</dc:date>
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Andy Powell | 23 Jul 2003 13:00
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Re: seeAlso

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Dan Brickley wrote:

> * Julian Bond <julian_bond@...> [2003-07-23 08:00+0100]
> > One of the powerful ideas in FOAF is the widespread use of rdfs:seeAlso
> >
> > Could this be usefully applied in RSS?
>
> It can be used in any RDF-based format whenever you've mentioned
> something and want to reference more (typically machine-processable, RDF)
> info about it elsewhere in the Web.

I assume that the semantics of seeAlso are pretty loose - i.e. you can use
it to point to anything, some more RDF, some XML, an HTML page, a PDF file
or whatever?  I.e. in some cases you are getting something
machine-readable, in other cases you aren't.

I have never understood why, in a semantically rich environment like RDF,
one would want to use such semantically fuzzy properties.  Why not use a
more precise property like 'additionalRDF' (a sub-property of seeAlso) if
that is what you mean?

Andy
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Kevin A. Burton | 23 Jul 2003 23:26

Re: seeAlso

Andy Powell wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Dan Brickley wrote:
* Julian Bond <julian_bond <at> voidstar.com> [2003-07-23 08:00+0100]
One of the powerful ideas in FOAF is the widespread use of rdfs:seeAlso Could this be usefully applied in RSS?
It can be used in any RDF-based format whenever you've mentioned something and want to reference more (typically machine-processable, RDF) info about it elsewhere in the Web.
I assume that the semantics of seeAlso are pretty loose - i.e. you can use it to point to anything, some more RDF, some XML, an HTML page, a PDF file or whatever? I.e. in some cases you are getting something machine-readable, in other cases you aren't. I have never understood why, in a semantically rich environment like RDF, one would want to use such semantically fuzzy properties. Why not use a more precise property like 'additionalRDF' (a sub-property of seeAlso) if that is what you mean?
That is the problem I try to solve with the mod_link spec for RSS 1.0.  It is hard to use ad hoc URLs in a distributed system without knowing what the document represents.  There are of course hacks to this system but if you don't have the media relationships "this if a FOAF file in RDF and in English" then it becomes hard to determine if you should use the resource.

Kevin
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