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Mitchell L Model | 1 Mar 2006 01:13
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What are non-current workspaces doing?

 From time to time OmniWeb pops a dialog box about some certificate 
needing approval or
a login & password for some domain or something like that which has 
nothing to do with
any of the windows open in the current workspace.  I had assumed that 
OW does nothing
with non-current workspace pages until their workspace becomes the 
current one, but
apparently there is some background activity checking the status of the pages.

Is this what is controlled by the preference about how frequently, if 
at all, pages in
workspaces are checked for changes?

What is the best way to stop this activity?

I work with many different projects, interests, and technologies, and 
I use a separate OW
workspace for each.  And of course I don't tend to clean up a 
workspace until the next time
I use it, which might be weeks later.  Since I use  the 
autosave-while-browsing feature, I
end up with a lot of tabs in a lot of windows in a lot of workspaces. 
The OW icon on my Dock
currently shows a checkmark and "465".  I'm not sure exactly what 
that means, but my
guess is that it's the number of tabs it found and checked in all 
windows of all my workspaces.
(I don't know what it does with the sites whose check fails.)
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Trevor Harmon | 1 Mar 2006 02:09

Re: What are non-current workspaces doing?

On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Mitchell L Model wrote:

> From time to time OmniWeb pops a dialog box about some certificate  
> needing approval or
> a login & password for some domain or something like that which has  
> nothing to do with
> any of the windows open in the current workspace.  I had assumed  
> that OW does nothing
> with non-current workspace pages until their workspace becomes the  
> current one, but
> apparently there is some background activity checking the status of  
> the pages.

This is most likely the web site doing a JavaScript pop-up. My bank  
does this if I'm logged on without any activity for about 10 minutes.  
Very annoying. It would be nice if OmniWeb could disable JavaScript  
alerts or at least make sure that an alert box doesn't grab the focus  
if the page that popped it up doesn't have the focus.

> Is this what is controlled by the preference about how frequently,  
> if at all, pages in
> workspaces are checked for changes?

I don't think so.

> What is the best way to stop this activity?

Contact the web site owner and tell them to stop their annoying pop- 
up messages.
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Beth Katz | 1 Mar 2006 02:11

Re: What are non-current workspaces doing?

Hmmmm. I thought that those non-active workspaces were not
doing anything. Not even state saving.

That's why it was good to start OW while holding down the
shift key to get a fresh workspace if your current one was
crashing.

But there could be a bug ...

Beth Katz

On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Mitchell L Model wrote:

> So, would someone please articulate for all of us aggressive  
> Workspace users just
> what is going on with the pages of non-current workspaces other  
> than state saving?
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Clytie Siddall | 1 Mar 2006 05:35
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Re: What are non-current workspaces doing?


On 01/03/2006, at 11:39 AM, Trevor Harmon wrote:

> This is most likely the web site doing a JavaScript pop-up. My bank  
> does this if I'm logged on without any activity for about 10 minutes.

My bank login just times out. I thought it wasn't a good idea,  
security-wise, to keep a login like online-banking open for any  
longer than necessary for use?

from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm  
Việt hóa phần mềm tự do)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN
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Trevor Harmon | 1 Mar 2006 06:15

Re: What are non-current workspaces doing?

On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Clytie Siddall wrote:

>> This is most likely the web site doing a JavaScript pop-up. My  
>> bank does this if I'm logged on without any activity for about 10  
>> minutes.
>
> My bank login just times out. I thought it wasn't a good idea,  
> security-wise, to keep a login like online-banking open for any  
> longer than necessary for use?

My bank (Washington Mutual) times out, as well. The problem is that  
two minutes before timing out, it issues a warning that my session is  
about to expire. This warning is in the form of a JavaScript alert  
box, so even if OmniWeb is in the background, its dock icon begins  
bouncing and bouncing and bouncing until I do something about it.  
Very annoying.

Trevor
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Jonathan Tyzack | 1 Mar 2006 14:58
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Re: What are non-current workspaces doing?

Hi, responses intermingled with your post below.

Cheers,

Jonathan

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On 1 Mar 2006, at 00:13, Mitchell L Model wrote:

> From time to time OmniWeb pops a dialog box about some certificate  
> needing approval or
> a login & password for some domain or something like that which has  
> nothing to do with
> any of the windows open in the current workspace.  I had assumed  
> that OW does nothing
> with non-current workspace pages until their workspace becomes the  
> current one, but
> apparently there is some background activity checking the status of  
> the pages.

Workspaces don't do anything unless they are open. The only checking  
for changes in the status of pages that occurs is the bookmark check
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Trevor Harmon | 2 Mar 2006 05:37

Re: Open Safe in Safari (and OW?)

On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Trevor Harmon wrote:

> On Feb 20, 2006, at 9:33 PM, Clytie Siddall wrote:
>
>> I hope Apple know about this:
>>
>> http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2006-02-20
>>
>> I've always distrusted the idea of automatically opening anything  
>> from the Net, but if that behaviour is the default setting, this  
>> vulnerability will affect a lot of people.
>
> Wow, this is insane. I just tried it with Safari, and it definitely  
> shows a wide-open security hole. Safari will automatically extract  
> AND OPEN whatever file is inside a downloaded .zip, and if that  
> file happens to be a shell script, kaboom!

I just installed the 2006-001 Security Update that was released  
today, and it seems this hole has been plugged. Safari no longer  
automatically executes the shell script, even when Open Safe Files  
After Downloading is enabled. OmniWeb is still safe, of course.

Trevor
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Clytie Siddall | 2 Mar 2006 07:15
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Re: Open Safe in Safari (and OW?)


On 02/03/2006, at 3:07 PM, Trevor Harmon wrote:

> I just installed the 2006-001 Security Update that was released  
> today, and it seems this hole has been plugged. Safari no longer  
> automatically executes the shell script, even when Open Safe Files  
> After Downloading is enabled. OmniWeb is still safe, of course.

Does this fix the whole vulnerability in the Finder, or just for Safari?

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303382

I'm not quite clear on that, after reading the info. above.

I'm going to hang on to Marvin, anyway. I like the way he tells me  
what the system/app. is trying to open.

Also, can someone tell me what activates Software Update? I've got it  
set to update Daily (the most frequent choice), and our G4 desktop  
always gets the update news before my iBook. Today I had to activate  
Software Update manually, because I didn't want to wait until it felt  
like telling me about the Security Update.

We're both on the same Ethernet network, and my laptop is always  
connected.

I think I'm having one of my more confused days...

from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm  
Việt hóa phần mềm tự do)
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Jonathan Tyzack | 2 Mar 2006 11:00
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Re: Open Safe in Safari (and OW?)

Hi Clytie,

the time of day that Software Update runs automatically is determined  
by when you last did a manual update, so if you did a manual update  
at e.g. 12pm, when it next runs automatically on a daily schedule, it  
will then always check at 12pm. If you want both your macs to be  
"synchronous" wrt Software Update, do a manual run on each at the  
same time.

Cheers,

Jonathan

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and landscape:

http://www.thelandgallery.com

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On 2 Mar 2006, at 06:15, Clytie Siddall wrote:

>
> On 02/03/2006, at 3:07 PM, Trevor Harmon wrote:
>
>> I just installed the 2006-001 Security Update that was released  
>> today, and it seems this hole has been plugged. Safari no longer  
>> automatically executes the shell script, even when Open Safe Files
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Josh Heyer | 2 Mar 2006 15:23

Tracking Next Release?

Hey all, I'm new to the list. How do I track the development of OW  
and/or get on beta testers list for the next release? I'm really  
interested in making OW my default browser but I don't feel like I  
can do that until they begin using webkit.

Josh
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