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Scott J. Kramer | 1 Jan 2004 02:00
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Re: OmniWeb 5 tabs in action

--On Wednesday, December 31, 2003 17:59 -0500 Steve Dieringer 
<skd <at> columbus.rr.com> wrote:

> Big thumbs up for workspaces!

Yep!

> I use an applescript in Safari to achieve something similar but it's
> awkward.

Same experience here.

> On Dec 31, 2003, at 5:46 PM, Ken Case wrote:
>
>> Hopefully we'll post a movie like this to our OmniWeb 5 web site soon,
>> but in the meantime you want to see
>> <http://mikematas.com/omniweb5/ScreenSnapz.mp4>.

Looks that's been superseded with:

  <http://mikematas.com/omniweb5/omniwebtabs.mp4>
  <http://mikematas.com/omniweb5/shortcuts.mov>

Those are as fun as some of the Exposé videos. :-)

>> (Of course, I rarely use tabs now that we have workspaces.)

Workspaces could quickly become my favorite new feature.  And the ability
to share workspace files should be interesting.
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Andreas Åkre Solberg | 1 Jan 2004 02:51
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Omniweb5

Juhu!
Happy new year.
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shrubberies | 1 Jan 2004 04:07
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5.0 tease

Thanks for the news, and all the work and creativity.

How are the bookmarks stored? Will there be one file or can there be 
separate files? If the later, can they be located in any directory?

I'm looking forward to the beta and a little sad that they days of the 
sometimes dysfunctional sneakypeaks are over. It was fun, but OW is an 
adult now and won't come out to play.

Hat's off!

-Paul
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Andrew Dunning | 1 Jan 2004 06:42
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OmniWeb 5

The OmniWeb 5 stuff looks amazing! I'm at a loss for words.

That said, there's just a few things I'd be interested in …
• Could the RSS reader really be a full replacement for NetNewsWire 
Lite?
• Can downloads be resumed now?
• Does it use the latest WebCore available on the machine (probably 1.2 
by the time it comes out), rather than bundling it?

Happy New Year! Here's to another year of phenomenal software.
--
Andrew Dunning
Brantford, Ontario, Canada
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Michael Sheets | 1 Jan 2004 10:04

Re: OmniWeb 5

> • Could the RSS reader really be a full replacement for NetNewsWire 
> Lite?

In this vain... I use NetNewsWire religously, doubt I'd switch my RSS to
Omniweb. (But feel free to impress me :) Is there any pref available to
have the RSS button forward to NNW?

Also in that vain, you might not want to make the button say RSS.
Because hopefully you'll be supporting Atom as well, which will
hopefully be replacing RSS sometime next year.
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Phill R Kenoyer | 1 Jan 2004 18:10

Re: The Omni Group Announces OmniWeb 5.0

All I wanted from Omniweb was a fast, stable browser.  I wanted 
tool-tips for titles (like other browsers), I wanted a way to turn 
cookies on for the site I'm looking at via hot key, and I wanted the 
settings to be sane like other browsers (IE borders default to 1 for 
anchor tags).  What I bought was a buggy browser that I can't even use. 
  4.5 is terrible.  It crashes way way too much and it's the slowest of 
all browsers.  There are things I really love about it, and I bought it 
for those reasons.  But I can't use it because it crashes left and 
right.

Now version 5 is coming out.  I have to pay again if I want to use it.  
I don't think I'm going to pay for v5 after getting burned on v4.5.  
I'm done.  I'll just use Safari if I have to.  I even bought a copy for 
my wife, who will not even use it because she uses eBay and OW4.5 is 
useless for eBay.  So I have two copies of OW that I don't use.

What a shame.  I'm very disappointed.

On Dec 31, 2003, at 2:32 PM, Ken Case wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry this message didn't arrive sooner (before this news hit the 
> forums), we had a hiccough in our mailing list server.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> 				Ken
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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Karl Kuehn | 1 Jan 2004 20:06
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Re: The Omni Group Announces OmniWeb 5.0

	I understand that you are a bit unhappy, and that is really to bad. 
But, I disagree with your generalizations, and think you missed the 
point in several areas:

	I too have found OmniWeb a bit crash-happy on eBay. Having looked at 
the mess of code that is behind that site, I am not surprised, but I 
agree that it would have been nice if OmniWeb 4.5 handled it better. If 
eBay was your primary goal out of web browser, then I can understand 
your disappointment in the tool.
	But, many people on this list such as myself (and even more not on 
this list) have found OmniWeb a wonderful primary browser. I do not 
feel that it is generically slower than other browsers, especially not 
when it comes to my productivity. Your comment makes it sound like this 
speed difference is glaring. It is not.

	As to "having to buy" new copies, I would suggest doing what you 
should have done before: Try OmniWeb out for a while, and then 
purchase. It is not cripple-ware, and only asks you (with some humor) 
to purchase it. Try out OW 5 for a while, and then see if you feel it 
is worth the $10/copy upgrade fee. As you seem to be a bit sensitive to 
bugs, I would personally suggest skipping the public beta in February 
and waiting for the final release.

	Now on your comparisons to other browsers: I am not sure what you mean 
by "sane settings" on other browsers, but as a web developer I can say 
that OmniWeb does a good job on this. (Other than Safari) It does a 
good job of not following a specific browser (IE is what I think you 
are thinking of), and instead tries to write to the standards (such as 
they are).
	The tool-tips were initially just an IE thing, but more recently have
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Steven Canfield | 1 Jan 2004 20:23

Omniweb 5 -- Can we have it now?

What if we register today or something (even sneakypeaks!)? We wants 
it, my precious.

I'm so gung-ho to try this out but I'm not lucky enough to go to MWSF, 
and February 2nd seems SO far away =]

-Steven Canfield
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Phill R Kenoyer | 1 Jan 2004 20:29

Re: The Omni Group Announces OmniWeb 5.0

On Jan 1, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Karl Kuehn wrote:
> I do not feel that it is generically slower than other browsers, 
> especially not when it comes to my productivity. Your comment makes it 
> sound like this speed difference is glaring. It is not.

It is four times slower than Safari and two times slower than 
Mozilla/Camino.  You should test it.

> 	As to "having to buy" new copies, I would suggest doing what you 
> should have done before: Try OmniWeb out for a while, and then 
> purchase. It is not cripple-ware, and only asks you (with some humor) 
> to purchase it. Try out OW 5 for a while, and then see if you feel it 
> is worth the $10/copy upgrade fee. As you seem to be a bit sensitive 
> to bugs, I would personally suggest skipping the public beta in 
> February and waiting for the final release.

I did try OmniWeb 4.5 when it was in beta.  It was a lot better then.  
It did not start crashing until the RC's were released.  I complained 
about it, but they released it anyway.  I will try out 5, but it will 
have to be a _lot_ better before I buy it.

> 	Now on your comparisons to other browsers: I am not sure what you 
> mean by "sane settings" on other browsers, but as a web developer I 
> can say that OmniWeb does a good job on this. (Other than Safari) It 
> does a good job of not following a specific browser (IE is what I 
> think you are thinking of), and instead tries to write to the 
> standards (such as they are).

If you were a web developer you would know what I'm talking about.  All 
other browsers set the default for borders on image links to 1.  When
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Scott M. | 1 Jan 2004 20:31

Re: The Omni Group Announces OmniWeb 5.0


Instability when surfing eBay has been corrected in version 5 and we 
will be including that fix in an update to 4.5.  If you are 
experiencing frequent crashes that do not seem to be related to eBay, 
please contact us using the 'Send Feedback...' item in OmniWeb's Help 
menu.  For the fastest possible diagnosis of the problem, it would be 
useful if you could include the text of one or more CrashCatcher 
reports.

Regarding cookies, OmniWeb 5.0 includes a completely new cookies 
interface including a 'passive cookie prompt' in the new browser status 
bar that allows you to manage cookies for a particular site without 
having to open preferences or have prompting turned on all the time.

I am sorry that you are so disappointed with OmniWeb.  Hopefully 
OmniWeb 4.5.1 will address some of the issues that you have, and I hope 
that you will also give version 5 a try when it is released.

Sincerely,

Scott M.
The Omni Group

On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 09:10  AM, Phill R Kenoyer wrote:

> All I wanted from Omniweb was a fast, stable browser.  I wanted 
> tool-tips for titles (like other browsers), I wanted a way to turn 
> cookies on for the site I'm looking at via hot key, and I wanted the 
> settings to be sane like other browsers (IE borders default to 1 for 
> anchor tags).  What I bought was a buggy browser that I can't even
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