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Francois Zbinden | 1 Jun 12:40
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AW: Workflow

Hello

Did you forgot that we already have a workflow solution
created by david? We are testing it actually and it seems
to work nice. 

Regards 

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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Henri Bergius [mailto:henri.bergius@...] 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Mai 2003 22:23
> An: dev@...
> Betreff: [midgard-dev] Workflow
> 
> 
> Martin mentioned of Midgard workflow addon developed by a New 
> Zealand company. In addition, from #oscom:
> 
> <RogerBX> there are standards
> <RogerBX> workflow standards
> <brentmh> standards != easy to use workflow system.   
> <marclaporte> Shameless plug: TikiWiki has a GPL business 
> workflow. (the
> first PHP business worklow). It's based on OpenFlow.it   We'd like to
> partner with other PHP CMSs
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Henri Bergius | 1 Jun 18:34
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Re: AW: Workflow

On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 13:40, Francois Zbinden wrote:
> Hello

Greetings!

> Did you forgot that we already have a workflow solution
> created by david? We are testing it actually and it seems
> to work nice. 

No, I did not forget that.

The problem is, I don't know practically anything about the
solution -- is it available, does it have an UI, what capabilities
does it have, etc.

What I would like to see, is to standardize behind one workflow
solution and make it available as a default part of Midgard
install.

> Francois Zbinden - zbinden@...

/Bergie

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Henri Bergius | 1 Jun 19:41
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Midgard into Apache Incubator

Greetings!

We have been talking about getting a "common good" organization to
own the copyrights of Midgard. Apache Software Foundation would be a
good match, and "Apache Midgard" would certainly have a nice ring
to it.

ASF has already created a process for donations like this, called
Apache Incubator: http://incubator.apache.org/

Being part of the Apache project would provide many advantages:

  * Permanence
    ASF aims to guide the projects in the way that they will continue
    to be available and functioning still 5-10 years from now
  * Hosting
    ASF provides mailing list, web, CVS and downloads hosting for
    all Apache projects
  * Legal protection
    ASF will protect individual developers against possible legal
    problems with the project
  * Prestige
    Being part of Apache project would make Midgard seem a lot more
    viable

The Incubator process would start by having agreement here on the dev
list that we would like to do this. Then we need to send in a proposal
(draft attached).

After the proposal the Apache community starts a discussion about the
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Henri Bergius | 1 Jun 20:12
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Re: Midgard into Apache Incubator

On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 20:41, Henri Bergius wrote:
> Then we need to send in a proposal
> (draft attached).

I will keep an updated version of the proposal at:
http://users.nehmer.net/~bergie/midgard-apache-incubator.html

/Bergie

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Emiliano | 1 Jun 21:41
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Re: Midgard into Apache Incubator

On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 08:41:40PM +0300, Henri Bergius wrote:

> Comments? Should we do this?

It'd be worthwhile to try.

> I spoke with Michael Wechner whose Lenya CMS project was recently
> included to Apache. He emphasized the importance of sponsors.
> Their Incubator draft is at http://www.wyona.org/lenya.html
> 
> BTW, Torben, can you mail me a list of people with CVS accounts?
> 
> Does anybody know Rasmus Lerdorf, he is the VP of the PHP Apache
> project?

I've met him once over beer. I wouldn't say that qualifies as 'know
him', though.

Emile
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Henri Bergius | 1 Jun 21:51
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Re: Midgard into Apache Incubator

On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 22:41, Emiliano wrote:
> > Comments? Should we do this?
> It'd be worthwhile to try.

I think so too, it would clarify a lot of things and make
Midgard more viable to many users.

Also, Greg Stein, the chairman of ASF seemed quite positive
about the idea.

> > Does anybody know Rasmus Lerdorf, he is the VP of the PHP Apache
> > project?
> I've met him once over beer. I wouldn't say that qualifies as 'know
> him', though.

That is a good start. We should flesh out the proposal a bit and
then maybe email him about this.

> Emile

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Sergei Dolmatov | 2 Jun 08:33
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Re: php_midgard_select

On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:26:24AM +0200, pp wrote:
> Emiliano <emile@...> wrote:
>
> this is it :)
> 
> > The nice thing about the mgd_str functions is that even if you do forget
> > to deallocate the pool, they will be automatically released at the end
> > of the request.
> 
> So maybe all queries should be passed with that? 
> 
> I am thinking now about all future "dynamic" methods and functions for 
> objects , and looks like objects definition is  _indispensable_.
> If I am thinking wrong , please correct me. Basic object's definition 
> should be defined in midgard-lib , which allows use midgard objects 
> with PHP or Ruby. This definition could also be helpfull with creating 
> one global object's functions repository and manage objects according to 
> this definition.

I even think about moving almost all logic from midgard-php4 to
libmidgard.

So basic object looks like:

typedef struct __mgd_object {
  int id;
  char *name;
  char *title;
  ...
} MGD_OBJECT;
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Alexander Bokovoy | 2 Jun 07:07

Re: Midgard into Apache Incubator

On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 08:41:40PM +0300, Henri Bergius wrote:
> Comments? Should we do this?
Probably.

My main objection to the proposal you've posted is the change of
licensing discussed there. Though Apache license v.1.1 qualifies as 'free software
license', its GPL-incompatible nature makes me worry. I see no need to go
away from LGPL in core components for a license which incompatible with
GNU GPL. 

Switching to Apache license effectively limits our freedom with
integration spread in future -- eventually we probably would not limit
ourselves to Apache only.  Particulary, Repligard is GPLed and thus,
making libmidgard under GPL-incompatible license will require to relicense
it too. Another example is more tight integration with other -- non-Apache
-- projects, like Samba or GNOME. I'm planning to make a VFS module for
Samba that represents file-based view of (versioned) Midgard storage
transparently to user.

In conclusion, I'm for ASF route, it is worth to try as Emile said. But we
really need to think more seriously about licensing terms and do we
actually need to change them for core components.

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Francois Zbinden | 2 Jun 12:40
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AW: AW: Workflow

Hello

> > Did you forgot that we already have a workflow solution created by 
> > david? We are testing it actually and it seems to work nice.
> 
> No, I did not forget that.
> 
> The problem is, I don't know practically anything about the 
> solution -- is it available, does it have an UI, what 
> capabilities does it have, etc.

Ok, here some features:
- Will be released as OpenSource
- Improved versioning based on cvs 
- You can commit and update objects with childerns and dependencies
- Use of CVS Tags and branches 
- Workflow is based on a XML File describing the workflow steps (who has
  to approve object)
- Locking of midgard objects
- You can define auto-approves in xml (both ways staging -> live and
live->staging)
- It's possible to setup multiple server (for example staging - alpha -
beta- live)
- minimal UI is avaiable, but should be includet in aegir

As said testing is complex. So if some of you have time to test it, you
will be welcome. David can give you docs and sources..

Francois
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Torben Nehmer | 2 Jun 12:57
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MidCOM 1.2.0 Prerelease 2 available

Hi Guys,

I've just created another preview of what is to be MidCOM 1.2.0, you can
find it (along with a ChangeLog Excerpt) here:

  http://www.nathan-syntronics.de/midgard/midcom/1.2.0-pre2.html

Live long and prosper!
Torben Nehmer

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