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Glenn Jones | 14 Feb 14:04
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microformats and seo - numbers

Hi All

I am going to be doing a presentation on microformats at a SEO
conference in a few weeks. Last time I did this talk the Q&A was full of
question asking for figures on the effectiveness of rich snippets at
increasing site traffic. 

Does anyone know of any quantitative research on this subject.  I have
had a quick look on the web and cannot find anything.

Cheers
Glenn Jones

PS old version of the tal, if your interested -
http://www.slideshare.net/glennjones/microformats-and-seo
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Mathias Panzenböck | 13 Feb 16:42
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hAudio and HTML5 audio element

Hi.

I'm new here and hope to have done everything like it is meant to be. I've added a new issue to the 
hAudio issues:
http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio-issues#D10:_2012-02-13__hAudio_sample_and_enclosure_should_support_HTML5_audio

What do you think? I think it would make sense to add the option to write the sample/enclosure as 
audio element with a special class instead of a link with a special rel attribute.

Another thing I noticed, but for which I haven't written an issue (yet) is the "position":
http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio#Position

The spec says it describes the position of the hAudio item in a list. "Examples of hAudio lists can 
include album track listings, music top 10 lists, playlists, and podcast chapters." So it is 
ambiguous to what position it actually describes. I want to generate playlists in which I add to 
each hAudio item *not* the position it has in the playlist (this I want to be inferred from the 
position in the HTML file), but explicitly the position the song has in its associated album.

How would I do that? If it's not possible with the current schema I would propose a new element 
"trackNum" taken from XSPF:
http://www.xspf.org/orig-xspf-v1.html#rfc.section.4.1.1.2.14.1.1.1.9

Also I'd like to be able to put several playlists into a single HTML file and give each playlist a 
name. Maybe something like this?:

<div class="hplaylist">
   <h2 class="fn">Some Songs from Magnatune.com</h2>

   <ol>
     <li class="haudio">
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Robin Winslow | 23 Dec 14:23
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Semantic naming of HTML document layout elements

Hi. I was wondering if there are standards in marking-up layout
elements for common regions in HTML documents.

I know HTML5 defines <header>, <footer>, <nav> and <article>, and
that's very helpful. But also many websites have a <div
class="container"> that encloses everything, to squeeze the content
into the middle of the page, and I'm never sure if I should, put the
<nav> inside the <header> or after it, and how should left and right
columns be marked-up? Should they be within the <article> element? Or
not? And I thought of using <aside> to denote left and right columns,
with classes like "pre" and "post" but I don't know if this is
standard either.

Does anyone know if anyone has come up with any standards for this
sort of thing?

I did post this question on stackoverflow.com, but thought you guys
might know more than the people that have answered so far:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8615464/standards-for-html-layout-element-class-names

Thanks,
Robin.
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Edward O'Connor | 15 Dec 19:41
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[microformats-2] e-* values and the JSON serialization

Hi,

The Microformats 2 page doesn't yet contain a definition of the JSON
serialization algorithm. When it does get written down, the algorithm
should specify that e-* properties (whose value is the DOM desendents
of the element) get serialized using the Serializing HTML Fragments
algorithm in the HTML spec:

  http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-end.html#serializing-html-fragments

Ted
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André Luís | 12 Dec 15:59
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Anyone knows of an hcalendar-to-ical service that supports simple RRULEs?

Hello everyone,

Anyone knows any hCalendar-to-iCal service that supports simple RRULEs?

Test page (am I doing something wrong?)
http://jsbin.com/imuniz/5/edit

I've looked on the wiki, searched the web, tried all I could think of:
Brian's X2V & H2VX (including dev. subdomain), Optimus (XML), ...

The only one that picked it up was Glenn's http://ufxtract.com/ but it
doesn't provide .ics output. ;)

If anyone remembers something I don't, send me in the right direction.

Thanks a lot in advance,
--
André Luís
http://id.andr3.net
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ion ion | 2 Nov 10:48
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make microformat class's invisible

Hi!

regarding the FAQ

Q. Given that Google now looks at hidden content as potential spam,
will invisible microformats be considered spam?

to make microformat data invisible is bad practice. But in my case
there is no another choice
I already have a page and insert microdata with all it's field will
damage the view
so
how exactly I can mark the class invisible for view but completely OK
for search engine
what's the downside of this practice?

Thanks!
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Tantek Çelik | 7 Oct 23:40
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Re: Curriculum Vitae (resumé) schema

That's quite a good list of resources Dan!

Specifically, you mentioned:

> As usual, the Microformats community have already been quite active in
> researching this topic; you should check out
> http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-formats and if you prefer to keep
> notes in their (public domain licensed) wiki, that's great; just drop
> in a link from the W3C page. Or add to both.

I'd like to reiterate that invitation to everyone, please feel free to
add any known/previous formats for resumes to existing public domain
microformats research on the subject, and use existing research as you
see fit - that's what it's there for as a community resource:

http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-formats

But there's one big link that Dan surprisingly missed: hResume

http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume

Developed using aforementioned research in combination with research
on actual resume publishing practices on the web.

Two key things here:

1. hResume is the most published resume format on the web (for several
years now)

http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-examples-in-wild
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Glenn Jones | 22 Aug 09:43
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hRecipe support ufxtract

Had a request to add hRecipe support to ufXtract, which is now in place

Example using API
http://ufxtract.com/api/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fallrecipes.com%2FRecipe%2Fslow-cooker-chicken-and-dumplings%2Fdetail.aspx&format=hrecipe&output=json&callback=

Test Suite
http://ufxtract.com/testsuite/hrecipe/

Source Code for library
https://github.com/glennjones/ufxtract

Also fixed a couple of bugs with JSON output at the same time.

Cheers  Glenn
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Rohit Khare | 14 Jul 09:45
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Migrating microformats.org may interrupt mailing list operation


Hi — I'm in the process of planning to complete our migration to a new hosting
sponsor by the end of this weekend.

As part of that migration, we may experience a temporary interruption of service
as we bring down the list server and change DNS to point at our new mailers.

Thanks in advance for your patience,
  Rohit Khare
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thomas lörtsch | 29 Jun 11:55

schema.org, microformats.org, hRecipe

Hi all,

I don't want to discuss the schema.org effort in general here, although there surely is a lot to discuss
about it. My question is how collaboration between Google.com and microformats.org is organized, where
it's taking place, who is involved. I'm sure there is and has always been some informal exchange, since
people happen to know each other, meet at confernces or other events etc, and of course that's fine with me.
I was wondering though when I read the following statement in a transcript of the Schema.org BOF at SemTech
2011 <http://www.w3.org/2011/06/semtech-bof-notes.html>:

> [...]
> Kevin Marks: Microformats says have a discussion first. You did that with hRecipe, so I'm surprsed to see
you didnt go through that here. That'a the difference in phsilophy
> Tantek Çelik: Google (Kavi in particular!) successfully worked with the open community on both
hReview-aggregate and hRecipe - openly.
> [...]
> Kevin Marks: hRecipe was a great example of how Google can do this.
> [...]

This sounds like quite some conversations, discussions and thorough work. Now I wonder: how specifically
did that "great" and "successfull" work "with the open community" go? Where did it take place? Who was
involved? And what exactly was worked out?
I won't hesitate to admit that I wasn't a very good editor of hRecipe since summer 2009 but I still am the
editor as indicated on the hRecipe wikipage. I wasn't contacted by anyone regarding Rich Snippets,
Schema.org or any other Google activity. Also I couldn't find any mention on the mailinglists or on the
wiki. So, please: what's going on, what did I miss? Or how is this "open"? 

Since Schema.org now promotes a recipe vocabulary that is slightly different from hRecipe and also more
elaborated I would like to discuss what to do about that: maybe analyze the differences, observe uptake,
then align hRecipe where appropriate etc. But before I start to work on that I'd like to understand what
happened until now.
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Edward O'Connor | 11 May 19:51
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What to do about SEO abuse of hcard-examples-in-wild?

Hi.

Lately there have been lots of questionable edits to the
hcard-examples-in-wild page. I don't mean outright spam edits, which
happen there about as often as on the rest of the wiki. The linked pages
do technically have hCards on them. But there are many links from
hcard-examples-in-wild to pages of dubious utility. Some examples:

* http://www.newtosandiego.com/Ocean-Beach-People's-Organic-Foods-Co-op/
* http://howdoyouknowifyouhavebedbugs.com/
* and many more along those lines.

I suspect some "SEO specialists" have adopted hCard on spammy pages like
these precisely so they can link to them from our (high PageRank) wiki.

Personally, I think we should more heavily curate, or maybe even remove,
this page. Back when hCard was new, having real-world examples was
helpful to implementors. These days, hCards are on hundreds of millions
of web pages. We can meet the needs of implementors by having a much
smaller list of examples.

Thoughts?

Ted
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