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Mike Wilcox | 2 Mar 2009 22:26

[ClubAJAX] TUESDAY: Club AJAX - The JavaScript Debugging Smackdown

Club AJAX
Tuesday, March 3, 2009
The JavaScript Debugging Smackdown!!!
with Firebug and other Debugging Tools
Mike Wilcox vs. Bob Byron

We're too big, we have to move!!!  But don't be concerned its not too far.  Sun Microsystems is hosting our next event and they are in the building next door.  Thank you Improving Enterprises for so generously hosting our first two meetings and buying the pizza.  

If you are a web designer, AJAX specialist, you need a web front end for your Java back end, or just dabble in creating web pages, you will be interested in the Club AJAX users group.  Mike Wilcox and Bob Byron started Club AJAX to focus on all things browser related, AJAX, JavaScript, JSON, XML, debugging and jobs too.  Our meetings will be held on the first Tuesday of the month.  So, check us out!


Before the evening's main event...  Bob Byron will be discussing the latest news in the AJAX community and show some quick snippets on what AJAX can do for you.  Mike Wilcox will wrap up his presentation from last month showing the details of closures and other JavaScript details.

When:    Tuesday, March 3, 2009
         7:00 PM to 9:00 PM  (Social: 6:30 PM)
Where:   The north side twin building where the JavaMUG meets.
         15950 Dallas Parkway, Suite 700
         Dallas, TX
Map:     http://clubajax.org/#page= directions

AJAX News and Quick Code Segments by Bob Byron

TOPIC:
The JavaScript Debugging Smackdown!
I can hear the dueling banjos now.  This meeting is going to go into the down and dirty of debugging.  Two seasoned warriors will battle head to head in the ancient art of debugging web apps.  You have a ring side seat as Mike Wilcox and Bob Byron square off against each other in hopes of winning the ever coveted elixir of the ancient programming gurus (that's a six pack of Mountain Dew).  Watch these two parry with Firebug, pummel with the console, and draw down with Net transactions.  Who will be the victor?  You get to decide.  It will be your vote that chooses the winner!

SPEAKER:  
Mike Wilcox is an employee of one of the top Ajax companies in the United States,  SitePen Inc., which is an active contributor to the Open Web and the Dojo Toolkit. 


As one of their more versatile software engineers, Mike not only codes for their biggest clients, but designs user interfaces. As a Dojo committer, he is a key developer for the new Deft project that implements Flash components and most of the new multi-media features in DojoX as he continually works to bridge the gap between JavaScript and the Flash environment. Previously, at Nexplore Corporation as Project Director for their search engine, Mike wrote two patents, and implemented Dojo for their base code. Mike graduated college from the Art Institute of Dallas where he studied 3D Animation and Game Programming. 


Mike shows a special interest in debugging, and has maintained the Dojo variation of Firebug Lite, introducing many new features, bringing it close to the functionality of Firebug. Mike currently belongs to the Firebug Working Group, along with well known members of the JavaScript community, like Douglas Crockford and John Resig.



Bob Byron works for NeXplore Corporation, a corporation dedicated to radically improve the online experience. 

Bob has been using AJAX technology in development of NeXplore's innovative social search engine. A veteran of client and server side development, Bob has an extensive background in the various techniques involved in bringing an application through the entire life cycle to get it to market.


Bob is a current contributor to the Dojo Toolkit. He has been coding in Java since soon after its release in the mid 1990's. In 2006, Bob was the President of the Java Metroplex Users Group in Dallas, preceding that by two years as Vice President. He ran the Java Developer's Group for 5 years bringing bringing the latest techniques and expertise to attendees.


FUTURE MEETING TOPICS:
Creating Widgets
Build an RSS Application
Charts and Data Presentation
Really cool animations

If you have any topics you would like to discuss, please send them to Mike or Bob.  Likewise, if you would like to present at a meeting, just email us.

Hope to see you there!

Mike Wilcox
work: 650.968.8787 x218
cell:   214.697.4872
 

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Shane O'Sullivan | 2 Mar 2009 22:49
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Dojox.help broken?

Hi,

I've been trying to use dojox.help, but it keeps getting back empty
results.  Is the JSONP service that it hits down?

Thanks

Shane
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John Cartwright | 3 Mar 2009 01:38
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show/hide widget

Hello All,

I've created a custom widget that extends dijit._Widget.  I'd expected 
to find some inherited methods for showing/hiding the widget on the 
page, but don't see anything like that.  Can someone please recommend a 
best practice here? Should I just add my own method which modify the 
style directly?

Thanks!

--john

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Gustavo Damián Stefani | 3 Mar 2009 01:58
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Re: show/hide widget

hide and show methods are not available since, if I remember well, 0.9 dojo
version
Just execute this.domNode.style.display = none for hidding or
this.domNode.style.display = "" for showing.
Or add some effects if you want

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[mailto:dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org] En nombre de John
Cartwright
Enviado el: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:38 PM
Para: dojo interest
Asunto: [Dojo-interest] show/hide widget

Hello All,

I've created a custom widget that extends dijit._Widget.  I'd expected 
to find some inherited methods for showing/hiding the widget on the 
page, but don't see anything like that.  Can someone please recommend a 
best practice here? Should I just add my own method which modify the 
style directly?

Thanks!

--john

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Mattew Shirey | 3 Mar 2009 02:00
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Re: show/hide widget

Couldn't this be considered a bug?  I mean "show/hide" functionality  
is so basic, shouldn't it be built into Widget?

-- Matthew

On Mar 2, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Gustavo Damián Stefani wrote:

> hide and show methods are not available since, if I remember well,  
> 0.9 dojo
> version
> Just execute this.domNode.style.display = none for hidding or
> this.domNode.style.display = "" for showing.
> Or add some effects if you want
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
> [mailto:dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org] En nombre de John
> Cartwright
> Enviado el: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:38 PM
> Para: dojo interest
> Asunto: [Dojo-interest] show/hide widget
>
> Hello All,
>
> I've created a custom widget that extends dijit._Widget.  I'd expected
> to find some inherited methods for showing/hiding the widget on the
> page, but don't see anything like that.  Can someone please  
> recommend a
> best practice here? Should I just add my own method which modify the
> style directly?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --john
>
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Peter E Higgins | 3 Mar 2009 02:18
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Re: show/hide widget

Mattew,

It is not as basic as it really seems. Yes, toggling display none/block
on a widget's .domNode is a very basic task .. but the pattern doesn't
fit all Dijits, nor does it work for all Dijits. It is easy enough to do
either manually, or mixin to _Widget if you are only using (and not
redistributing and explaining the api):

dojo.extend(dijit._Widget, {
    myshow: function(){
       dojo.style(this.domNode, "display", "block");
    },
    myhide: function(){
       dojo.style(this.domNode, "display", "none");
    }
});

But I had to name that myshow because dijit.Dialog.show() does an
elaborate fadeIn/position sequence, and I would have changed that.

By not implementing the basics, you are free to do whatever is
necessary. The API is: A widget has a .domNode property. That is the
containing domNode (.containerNode is the content node where existing
content goes when using _Templated, so that is another thing to consider).

To fade a widget in:

dojo.fadeIn({
    node: mywidget.domNode
}).play()

I actually created plugd because of this question, and implemented
dojo.show/dojo.hide/dojo.toggle:

http://code.google.com/p/plugd/

and blogged about the 'why' initially:

http://higginsforpresident.net/2008/10/dojoshow-hide-toggle-and-more/

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Peter

Mattew Shirey wrote:
> Couldn't this be considered a bug?  I mean "show/hide" functionality  
> is so basic, shouldn't it be built into Widget?
>
> -- Matthew
>
> On Mar 2, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Gustavo Damián Stefani wrote:
>
>   
>> hide and show methods are not available since, if I remember well,  
>> 0.9 dojo
>> version
>> Just execute this.domNode.style.display = none for hidding or
>> this.domNode.style.display = "" for showing.
>> Or add some effects if you want
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
>> [mailto:dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org] En nombre de John
>> Cartwright
>> Enviado el: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:38 PM
>> Para: dojo interest
>> Asunto: [Dojo-interest] show/hide widget
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I've created a custom widget that extends dijit._Widget.  I'd expected
>> to find some inherited methods for showing/hiding the widget on the
>> page, but don't see anything like that.  Can someone please  
>> recommend a
>> best practice here? Should I just add my own method which modify the
>> style directly?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --john
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq
>> Book: http://dojotoolkit.org/docs/book
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>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest
>>
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>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest
>>     
>
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>   

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Gustavo Damián Stefani | 3 Mar 2009 02:53
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Re: show/hide widget

Peter, just for curiosity, Which widget wouldn't work by toggling the
display property?

Mattew, In my opinion, it doesn't make sense to implement a method for doing
something that you can do with 1 line of code.

Gustavo.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
[mailto:dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org] En nombre de Peter E
Higgins
Enviado el: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:18 PM
Para: dojo-interest <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
Asunto: Re: [Dojo-interest] show/hide widget

Mattew,

It is not as basic as it really seems. Yes, toggling display none/block
on a widget's .domNode is a very basic task .. but the pattern doesn't
fit all Dijits, nor does it work for all Dijits. It is easy enough to do
either manually, or mixin to _Widget if you are only using (and not
redistributing and explaining the api):

dojo.extend(dijit._Widget, {
    myshow: function(){
       dojo.style(this.domNode, "display", "block");
    },
    myhide: function(){
       dojo.style(this.domNode, "display", "none");
    }
});

But I had to name that myshow because dijit.Dialog.show() does an
elaborate fadeIn/position sequence, and I would have changed that.

By not implementing the basics, you are free to do whatever is
necessary. The API is: A widget has a .domNode property. That is the
containing domNode (.containerNode is the content node where existing
content goes when using _Templated, so that is another thing to consider).

To fade a widget in:

dojo.fadeIn({
    node: mywidget.domNode
}).play()

I actually created plugd because of this question, and implemented
dojo.show/dojo.hide/dojo.toggle:

http://code.google.com/p/plugd/

and blogged about the 'why' initially:

http://higginsforpresident.net/2008/10/dojoshow-hide-toggle-and-more/

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Peter

Mattew Shirey wrote:
> Couldn't this be considered a bug?  I mean "show/hide" functionality  
> is so basic, shouldn't it be built into Widget?
>
> -- Matthew
>
> On Mar 2, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Gustavo Damián Stefani wrote:
>
>   
>> hide and show methods are not available since, if I remember well,  
>> 0.9 dojo
>> version
>> Just execute this.domNode.style.display = none for hidding or
>> this.domNode.style.display = "" for showing.
>> Or add some effects if you want
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
>> [mailto:dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org] En nombre de John
>> Cartwright
>> Enviado el: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:38 PM
>> Para: dojo interest
>> Asunto: [Dojo-interest] show/hide widget
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I've created a custom widget that extends dijit._Widget.  I'd expected
>> to find some inherited methods for showing/hiding the widget on the
>> page, but don't see anything like that.  Can someone please  
>> recommend a
>> best practice here? Should I just add my own method which modify the
>> style directly?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --john
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq
>> Book: http://dojotoolkit.org/docs/book
>> Forums: http://dojotoolkit.org/forum
>> Dojo-interest <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq
>> Book: http://dojotoolkit.org/docs/book
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>> Dojo-interest <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest
>>     
>
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>   

-- 
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Dojo Project Lead : SitePen Support Lead
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Matthew Shirey | 3 Mar 2009 03:12
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Re: show/hide widget

I agree, and for myself, and it would seem for you as well, it is  
overkill to create a method to do what can be done in one line.

For my group though it is more about consistency and clarity of code.   
I'll be following Peter's recommendations to make things a little  
easier and clearer for the other developers here.

Thanks all,

-- Matthew

On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Gustavo Damián Stefani wrote:

> Peter, just for curiosity, Which widget wouldn't work by toggling the
> display property?
>
> Mattew, In my opinion, it doesn't make sense to implement a method  
> for doing
> something that you can do with 1 line of code.
>
> Gustavo.
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
> [mailto:dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org] En nombre de  
> Peter E
> Higgins
> Enviado el: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:18 PM
> Para: dojo-interest <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
> Asunto: Re: [Dojo-interest] show/hide widget
>
> Mattew,
>
> It is not as basic as it really seems. Yes, toggling display none/ 
> block
> on a widget's .domNode is a very basic task .. but the pattern doesn't
> fit all Dijits, nor does it work for all Dijits. It is easy enough  
> to do
> either manually, or mixin to _Widget if you are only using (and not
> redistributing and explaining the api):
>
> dojo.extend(dijit._Widget, {
>    myshow: function(){
>       dojo.style(this.domNode, "display", "block");
>    },
>    myhide: function(){
>       dojo.style(this.domNode, "display", "none");
>    }
> });
>
> But I had to name that myshow because dijit.Dialog.show() does an
> elaborate fadeIn/position sequence, and I would have changed that.
>
> By not implementing the basics, you are free to do whatever is
> necessary. The API is: A widget has a .domNode property. That is the
> containing domNode (.containerNode is the content node where existing
> content goes when using _Templated, so that is another thing to  
> consider).
>
> To fade a widget in:
>
> dojo.fadeIn({
>    node: mywidget.domNode
> }).play()
>
> I actually created plugd because of this question, and implemented
> dojo.show/dojo.hide/dojo.toggle:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/plugd/
>
> and blogged about the 'why' initially:
>
> http://higginsforpresident.net/2008/10/dojoshow-hide-toggle-and-more/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
>
> Mattew Shirey wrote:
>> Couldn't this be considered a bug?  I mean "show/hide" functionality
>> is so basic, shouldn't it be built into Widget?
>>
>> -- Matthew
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Gustavo Damián Stefani wrote:
>>
>>
>>> hide and show methods are not available since, if I remember well,
>>> 0.9 dojo
>>> version
>>> Just execute this.domNode.style.display = none for hidding or
>>> this.domNode.style.display = "" for showing.
>>> Or add some effects if you want
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
>>> [mailto:dojo-interest-bounces <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org] En nombre de  
>>> John
>>> Cartwright
>>> Enviado el: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:38 PM
>>> Para: dojo interest
>>> Asunto: [Dojo-interest] show/hide widget
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I've created a custom widget that extends dijit._Widget.  I'd  
>>> expected
>>> to find some inherited methods for showing/hiding the widget on the
>>> page, but don't see anything like that.  Can someone please
>>> recommend a
>>> best practice here? Should I just add my own method which modify the
>>> style directly?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> --john
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq
>>> Book: http://dojotoolkit.org/docs/book
>>> Forums: http://dojotoolkit.org/forum
>>> Dojo-interest <at> mail.dojotoolkit.org
>>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq
>>> Book: http://dojotoolkit.org/docs/book
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>>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> -- 
> Peter E Higgins
> Dojo Project Lead : SitePen Support Lead
> http://dojotoolkit.org : http://sitepen.com
>
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Peter E Higgins | 3 Mar 2009 03:27
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Re: show/hide widget


Gustavo Damián Stefani wrote:
> Peter, just for curiosity, Which widget wouldn't work by toggling the
> display property?
>   
Lots might not work, as all work on the assumption they can reliably
calculate their size at some point in their lifecycle (postCreate and/or
startup) ... The issue is more on of clarity:

What does .show()/hide()/toggle() on a TitlePane do? versus
open()/close()/toggle(). How do you toggle() the overall visibility of a
TitlePane without complicating the open/close api?

Is it meaningful to hide() a Menu? A Tree?

I am not dismissing the idea Dijit has some inconsistent naming
patterns, but show/hide are far to ambiguous to implement on a global
level, especially when the .domNode is designated on each instance for
such operations as you see fit.  Even my plugd show/hide feels
convoluted to me (as the implementation locks you to choosing
visibility:hidden/visible versus display:block/""/node at runtime)

Regards,
Peter

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Muskovics Gábor | 3 Mar 2009 09:31
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dijit-all hungarian translation

Hi!

 

I’m using the DateTextBox component, and months and days are not translated to Hungarian. (It apperas only numbers). Is there a Hungarian translator, or may I translate this file?

 

Thanks!

-MG

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