George Farris | 2 Jan 19:09 2008
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Re: [PiTiVi] (no subject)


On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 01:01 -0800, brandon_lewis@... wrote:
> I'm on winter vacation for the next month. I'm willing to devote a portion
> of that to PiTiVi, and i'm wondering what the best use of my time would
> be? I could resume work on my gstreamer tutorials, or I could  go back to
> work on file load/save support.

Any chance on adding the ability to load jpeg images so one could build
up a slide show?  I'd love to see Pitivi do both video and static
images.

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George Farris | 22 Jan 17:09 2008
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[PiTiVi] [Fwd: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive vs Pitivi]

This was on the Ubuntu list and I was wondering if there was any
movement here in regards to Pitivi.  Brandon mentioned he had some time
over Christmas to work on it.  Seems a shame that we would loose this
opportunity to be in the Ubuntu Studio distro.

I do understand it is an awful lot of work ...

Cheers all

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> Subject: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive.
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:52:54 -0500
> 
> Ok. We need a serious technical look at these two to replace PiTiVi in
> Ubuntu Studio-Hardy.
> 
> Open Movie Editor - http://openmovieeditor.sourceforge.net
> 
> KDEnlive - http://www.kdenlive.org
> 
> I'd also like to reference -
> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/consortium/2008-January/001842.html
> as having some good points. ie: OME has JACK support.
> 
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Brandon Lewis | 22 Jan 22:33 2008
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Re: [PiTiVi] [Fwd: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive vs Pitivi]

George Farris wrote:
> This was on the Ubuntu list and I was wondering if there was any
> movement here in regards to Pitivi.  Brandon mentioned he had some time
> over Christmas to work on it.  Seems a shame that we would loose this
> opportunity to be in the Ubuntu Studio distro.
> 
> I do understand it is an awful lot of work ...
> 
> Cheers all

I wasn't able to get anything done over winter break, and school has 
just started. Unfortunately, I haven't got much direction at this point. 
The documentation for GStreamer just isn't there, and while I did make 
some progress learning it on my own, I have a long way to go before I 
can apply what I have learned to PiTiVi. There are too many subtleties 
with GStreamer itself, and there's too much of the PiTiVi application 
code that I don't understand. Edward just doesn't seem to have the time 
to walk me through it, and he is pretty much the only one who can.

I'd hate to think the project is dying, but we have lost a lot of ground 
to competing projects which are starting to offer usable features. I get 
the feeling that there are capable people waiting on the sidelines, but 
are prevented from contributing because what has been done isn't 
well-documented. If those people are moving on to other projects, then, 
PiTiVi is trouble. Open source projects thrive on network effects from a 
large community of users. The first project to  become usable and build 
such a community has a significant advantage in this respect, often 
despite significant technical limitations. For example, XMMS still 
continues to be popular, even though other projects like Rhythmbox and 
Amarok could be considered superior by a majority of users.
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Brett Alton | 22 Jan 23:19 2008
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Re: [PiTiVi] [Fwd: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive vs Pitivi]

On Jan 22, 2008 4:33 PM, Brandon Lewis <brandon_lewis@...> wrote:
> George Farris wrote:
> > This was on the Ubuntu list and I was wondering if there was any
> > movement here in regards to Pitivi.  Brandon mentioned he had some time
> > over Christmas to work on it.  Seems a shame that we would loose this
> > opportunity to be in the Ubuntu Studio distro.
> >
> > I do understand it is an awful lot of work ...
> >
> > Cheers all
>
> I wasn't able to get anything done over winter break, and school has
> just started. Unfortunately, I haven't got much direction at this point.
> The documentation for GStreamer just isn't there, and while I did make
> some progress learning it on my own, I have a long way to go before I
> can apply what I have learned to PiTiVi. There are too many subtleties
> with GStreamer itself, and there's too much of the PiTiVi application
> code that I don't understand. Edward just doesn't seem to have the time
> to walk me through it, and he is pretty much the only one who can.
>
> I'd hate to think the project is dying, but we have lost a lot of ground
> to competing projects which are starting to offer usable features. I get
> the feeling that there are capable people waiting on the sidelines, but
> are prevented from contributing because what has been done isn't
> well-documented. If those people are moving on to other projects, then,
> PiTiVi is trouble. Open source projects thrive on network effects from a
> large community of users. The first project to  become usable and build
> such a community has a significant advantage in this respect, often
> despite significant technical limitations. For example, XMMS still
> continues to be popular, even though other projects like Rhythmbox and
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George Farris | 23 Jan 17:14 2008
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Re: [PiTiVi] [Fwd: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive vs Pitivi]

On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 17:19 -0500, Brett Alton wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2008 4:33 PM, Brandon Lewis <brandon_lewis@...> wrote:

> > I'd hate to think the project is dying, but we have lost a lot of ground
> > to competing projects which are starting to offer usable features. I get
> > the feeling that there are capable people waiting on the sidelines, but
> > are prevented from contributing because what has been done isn't
> > well-documented. 

> I know this isn't adding much, but I can become the full-time Web
> Developer if need be. Take some stress off everyone's hands is always
> a good thing I think...
> 

So we have someone that could put docs up on the web. Great, thanks
Brett.

Is there anyway we can get a short TODO list with low hanging fruit at
the top that would boost this project into a usable application?

I really would not like to see this project die and I will do what I can
to whip up some support but we need some up front help.  I'm not a real
strong coder but I can do some work with glade and UI stuff if I have
direction.

Edward if you are around could you see yourself giving up a small amount
of time for some mentoring.  I'll see what I can do to find people that
can and are interested in developing.

If anyone has any ideas, throw them out here now.
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Edward Hervey | 23 Jan 17:35 2008
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Re: [PiTiVi] [Fwd: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive vs Pitivi]

Hi,

On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 08:14 -0800, George Farris wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 17:19 -0500, Brett Alton wrote:
> > On Jan 22, 2008 4:33 PM, Brandon Lewis <brandon_lewis@...> wrote:
> 
> > > I'd hate to think the project is dying, but we have lost a lot of ground
> > > to competing projects which are starting to offer usable features. I get
> > > the feeling that there are capable people waiting on the sidelines, but
> > > are prevented from contributing because what has been done isn't
> > > well-documented. 
> 
> 
> > I know this isn't adding much, but I can become the full-time Web
> > Developer if need be. Take some stress off everyone's hands is always
> > a good thing I think...
> > 

  All help is fully appreciated :)

> 
> So we have someone that could put docs up on the web. Great, thanks
> Brett.
> 
> Is there anyway we can get a short TODO list with low hanging fruit at
> the top that would boost this project into a usable application?
> 
> I really would not like to see this project die and I will do what I can
> to whip up some support but we need some up front help.  I'm not a real
> strong coder but I can do some work with glade and UI stuff if I have
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Brandon Lewis | 23 Jan 20:32 2008
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Re: [PiTiVi] [Fwd: Open Movie Editor vs. Kdenlive vs Pitivi]

> 
> I know this isn't adding much, but I can become the full-time Web
> Developer if need be. Take some stress off everyone's hands is always
> a good thing I think...
> 

Yeah, maybe that's not a bad idea. Maybe you can help me migrate my 
tutorials from the custom markup I came up with to a standard format. I 
don't like the idea that I'm preventing other people from enhancing my 
work by being different.

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