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Christian Thaeter | 1 Mar 2011 01:01

Re: Announcement: New Lumiera website is online

Am Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:10:20 +0100
schrieb Francesco Siddi <francesco.siddi@...>:

> >
> > >- can we exclude Caching as a reason? (can you somehow cause a
> > >"hard"
> > reload)
> > I'm not sure. I reloaded the pages, and had the problem at my
> > computer at home as well as my computer at work. Don't know if my
> > computer at work had the staging site cached before.
> > But the more I try the menu, the more it seems to behave the way it
> > should. I'm lost, no idea what the problem might be or have been.
> > I'll try it more often later tomorrow at different PC's to see
> > whether the issue re-appears.

i can confirm odd behaviour with chromium, the iframe menu gets
completely lost. Also on staging.

Btw we need a plan/agreement how to progress further now.

Proposal:
Bugfixes and content go to the official website, new development (styles
and so on) go to staging. The one who commits to the main page
is responsible for getting it merged into staging too (he/she does not
need to do that, just ask me or ichthyo or someone who knows git well
enough would be enouhg)

Any objections? there are already some fixes which need to taken over
to staging.
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Christian Thaeter | 1 Mar 2011 04:45

Re: Announcement: New Lumiera website is online

Am Tue, 1 Mar 2011 01:01:11 +0100
schrieb Christian Thaeter <ct@...>:

> Am Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:10:20 +0100
> schrieb Francesco Siddi <francesco.siddi@...>:
> 
> > >
> > > >- can we exclude Caching as a reason? (can you somehow cause a
> > > >"hard"
> > > reload)
> > > I'm not sure. I reloaded the pages, and had the problem at my
> > > computer at home as well as my computer at work. Don't know if my
> > > computer at work had the staging site cached before.
> > > But the more I try the menu, the more it seems to behave the way
> > > it should. I'm lost, no idea what the problem might be or have
> > > been. I'll try it more often later tomorrow at different PC's to
> > > see whether the issue re-appears.
> 
> i can confirm odd behaviour with chromium, the iframe menu gets
> completely lost. Also on staging.

adblock on chromium is the sucker! (at least here)

> 
> Btw we need a plan/agreement how to progress further now.
> 
> Proposal:
> Bugfixes and content go to the official website, new development
> (styles and so on) go to staging. The one who commits to the main page
> is responsible for getting it merged into staging too (he/she does not
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Ichthyostega | 1 Mar 2011 07:38
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Re: Announcement: New Lumiera website is online

Wouter Verwijlen schrieb:
> Anyway, I'm still experiencing the fully unfolded menu on these pages: 
> http://lumiera.org/documentation/user/outerSpace/lumiera_from_outer_space.html
>  http://lumiera.org/documentation/technical/innerCore/the_inner_core.html

thanks for pointing those out
... this counts as a 'different' problem and isn't related to JavaScript;
these pages aren't in the menu yet for some reason (I know more, yet
have to investigate in detail)

> But the more I try the menu, the more it seems to behave the way it should. 
> I'm lost, no idea what the problem might be or have been.

I made similar observations when trying it from several computers at my work
site today. I hope it's really just caching, but of course and observations
will be helpful

Cheers,
Hermann
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Ichthyostega | 1 Mar 2011 07:42
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Re: Announcement: New Lumiera website is online

Christian Thaeter schrieb:
> Btw we need a plan/agreement how to progress further now.
> 
> Proposal: Bugfixes and content go to the official website, new development
> (styles and so on) go to staging. The one who commits to the main page is
> responsible for getting it merged into staging too (he/she does not need to
> do that, just ask me or ichthyo or someone who knows git well enough would be
> enouhg)

Hi Christian,

agreed. I proceeded already along those lines.
- synced the staging with master
- picked Francesco's fix immeditately to master.

Currently I have some experimental change to the menu on staging (see my other
mail); thus new content is preferable on master (but no reason to worry much,
we have Git)

Cheers,
Hermann

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Ichthyostega | 1 Mar 2011 07:51
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Re: Announcement: New Lumiera website is online

Francesco Siddi schrieb:
>> the "+" signs are in a <SPAN> which got float:right, but for some reason it
>>  wraps into the next line.....

> I "fixed" that in the staging website like this:

> #menu ul>li>a { }

Hello Francesco,

cool, that fix is a huge improvement. I picked that immediately to master.

>> Ichthyo:... better solution: also do the hiding/unfolding just by adding a 
>> class, in the same way as we do the highlighting of the current element. 
>> Because then it could be directed always to the menu entry as active
>> element (and the children are contained in that element anyway). Using this
>> approach, the actual display:hidden would be given through the CSS with a
>> so called "contextual selector", i.e. only applying to the child elements 
>> directly within the styled menu entry.

> That would be good (and also reusable in my second proposal for a vertical
> menu in lumiera documents)

I've implemented now these changes on the staging website. The menu folding
works now entirely based on classes and CSS, the JavaScript just adds and
removes a class on the <li> entry to be collapsed.

Moreover, I went through the stylesheet and tried to remove some redundancy
and make the usage of colours / borders a bit more consistent. IMHO it's now
less confusing and more obvious where the current selection is.
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Wouter Verwijlen | 1 Mar 2011 10:42
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Re: Announcement: New Lumiera website is online



----- Original Message -----
> From:Ichthyostega <prg-vhE0xzMaJLylxi2N03spHA@public.gmane.org>
>
> I've implemented now these changes on the staging website. The menu folding
> works now entirely based on classes and CSS, the JavaScript just adds and
> removes a class on the <li> entry to be collapsed.
>
> Moreover, I went through the stylesheet and tried to remove some redundancy
> and make the usage of colours / borders a bit more consistent. IMHO it's now
> less confusing and more obvious where the current selection is.
> Anyway, this is just a 'demonstration' state for now and ma ybe a
> starting point
> for the real design :)
>
>
> Please try out this change on the staging website and tell me if it works for
> you and is an improvement (and thus should go to master)
>
> Cheers,
> Hermann

The colors are a lot clearer now.
But I just tried the menu on a PC that hadn't had anything cashed before, and again on Google Chrome it unfolds randomly when clicking a link.
Multiple reloads are then needed before the menu folds the way it should.
It happens on staging as well as the main website.

-Wouter

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Ichthyostega | 7 Mar 2011 00:38
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ANNOUNCE: Lumiera Developer Meeting, March 2011


Hi Lumi hackers,

According to our usual habits, the next regular Lumiera developer meeting
should take place next

Wednesday, March 9, 2011 -- starting 20:00 UTC

The meeting will be on Freenode.net in #lumiera
Please speak up if this schedule doesn't work for you.

Any proposals for Topics to discuss...
Website graphics design...?
Everyone is welcome!

	Hermann Vosseler
	(aka "Ichthyo")

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Francesco Siddi | 7 Mar 2011 00:41
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Lumiera Developer Meeting, March 2011

Hello!


According to our usual habits, the next regular Lumiera developer meeting
should take place next

Any proposals for Topics to discuss...
Website graphics design...?


I'll definitely try to be there and show the coded layout previews!

Francesco

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Ichthyostega | 7 Mar 2011 01:04
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[CodingStatus] Winter 10/11 Quaterly news


Winter is (almost) gone (hopefully).
collecting some pieces of information for the "coding news"...

the most obvious improvement is that we finally managed to get the
reworked website structure online. The final rush included some cleanup
of existing text content, adjusting of links and a script solution to
maintain the navigation menu of the website automatically.

On the concept & planning frontier, last fall I concentrated on several
aspects of output handling and routing at the session level. This includes
a initial concept how to handle the "output designation" of a media object,
especially when nested sequences are involved. The implementation of an
output mapping element allowed me to fill some gaps regarding the flexible
binding of a sequence element into a timeline or virtual clip.

Prompted by Stefan's work on including the existing Timecode widget from
Ardour into the Lumiera GUI, as next topic I concentrated on time handling
and time / timecode representation in the model. Here the tricky part is
how to represent grid aligned time values (e.g. frame quantised time);
as Lumiera doesn't use a single session-wide fixed frame rate, but rather
derives the frame rate from the output to be generated, building a somewhat
more general framework was required.

Besides that I worked on improving the general infrastructure: I defined
what is necessary to execute the Lumiera Application, either directly
or installed through a package. After implementing the necessary adjustments
for build system and startup sequence, I defined a debian packaging for
the Lumiera Application.

	Hermann Vosseler
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Lars Knickrehm | 7 Mar 2011 02:51
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Build / Compile (Ubuntu 10.10)

Hello guys,

I just want to tell you, that 
http://staging.lumiera.org/documentation/user/tutorials/building.html 
seems to have two mistakes...

1) To install NoBug I truely need to use "sudo" infront of "make 
install". This is missing on that page.
2) In prior to run ./configure before installing GDL I need to install 
intltool from the Ubuntu repositories.

Using these two changes everything works for me.

About my system: It's nearly a default Ubuntu installation with just 
some application installations in a VirtualBox for testing software.

Bestregards,
Lars
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