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Christian Thaeter | 3 Feb 10:50

nobug bugfix release, update lumiera

I just made a new NoBug release, there leaped a nasty race condition in.
Ichthyo, please pull from my 'backend_devel' there are some things
pending for you. For anyone else: the current development stuff is
little bumpy, don't update we'll push a fixed master soon.

	Christian

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Ichthyostega | 4 Feb 12:37
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Re: nobug bugfix release, update lumiera


Christian Thaeter schrieb:
> I just made a new NoBug release, there leaped a nasty race condition in. 
> Ichthyo, please pull from my 'backend_devel' there are some things pending
> for you. For anyone else: the current development stuff is little bumpy,
> don't update we'll push a fixed master soon

Just pushed out the Debian package nobug_201002.1-1 at

git://git.lumiera.org/nobug

Note: Lumiera master still uses 201001.1-2

Christian: due to the ABI change, I bumped the library version.
Please pull also the "upstream" branch into your master in the
nobug repository. Maybe we should even move up the tag "201002.1"
to include this bumped lib version.

Strictly speaking, the changes seemed to be downward compatible
(only added symbols in the lib). But, I think actually we don't
want anyone to link against the old library version anymore, right?

Cheers,
Hermann
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Christian Thaeter | 4 Feb 13:00

Re: nobug bugfix release, update lumiera

Ichthyostega wrote:
> Christian Thaeter schrieb:
>> I just made a new NoBug release, there leaped a nasty race condition in.
>> Ichthyo, please pull from my 'backend_devel' there are some things pending
>> for you. For anyone else: the current development stuff is little bumpy,
>> don't update we'll push a fixed master soon
> 
> Just pushed out the Debian package nobug_201002.1-1 at
> 
> git://git.lumiera.org/nobug
> 
> 
> Note: Lumiera master still uses 201001.1-2
> 
> 
> Christian: due to the ABI change, I bumped the library version.
> Please pull also the "upstream" branch into your master in the
> nobug repository. Maybe we should even move up the tag "201002.1"
> to include this bumped lib version.
> 
> Strictly speaking, the changes seemed to be downward compatible
> (only added symbols in the lib). But, I think actually we don't
> want anyone to link against the old library version anymore, right?

i didnt bumped it because there was no change in a working abi, as in
the broken functions from the release before will not enter production
because they just dont work :P. Strictly speaking one should always bump
versions when somethings changes but since the nobug user community is
small and no end-users are affected i'd rather aim to keep the library
version numbers small. Of course this breaks apps which using the
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Ichthyostega | 4 Feb 16:40
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Re: nobug bugfix release, update lumiera


> Ichthyostega wrote:
>> Christian: due to the ABI change, I bumped the library version.

>> Strictly speaking, the changes seemed to be downward compatible (only added
>> symbols in the lib). But, I think actually we don't want anyone to link
>> against the old library version anymore, right?

Christian Thaeter schrieb:
> i didnt bumped it because there was no change in a working abi, as in the
> broken functions from the release before will not enter production because
> they just dont work :P. Strictly speaking one should always bump versions
> when somethings changes but since the nobug user community is small and no
> end-users are affected i'd rather aim to keep the library version numbers
> small.

Agreed.
Following this argument, I've now re-issued the deb package
thereby brushing the commits from this morning under the carpet :-P

	Hermann
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Aaron Newcomb | 4 Feb 17:36
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Re: testers needed for NoBug (*BSD, MacOS X, OpenSolaris, ...)

Well, after getting no response from any solaris folks I tried this
myself. Granted I have never tried to compile anything on Solaris.

After making seemingly unnecessay symbolic links for aclocal and
automake I get the following after running autoreconf -f -i ...

autoreconf -f -i
/usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of
AM_PATH_AUDIOFILE
/usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12:   run info '(automake)Extending aclocal'
/usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12:   or see
http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal
configure.ac:32: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
      If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
      See the Autoconf documentation.
configure.ac:35: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE
configure.ac:52: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_NOTICE
autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1

I am sure that I am missing some bit of information that you would
normally know if you compiled on Solaris often.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, rc <rcspam@...> wrote:
> On 12/01/2010 18:08, Christian Thaeter wrote:
>>
>> rc wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
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Christian Thaeter | 5 Feb 06:56

Re: testers needed for NoBug (*BSD, MacOS X, OpenSolaris, ...)

Aaron Newcomb wrote:
> Well, after getting no response from any solaris folks I tried this
> myself. Granted I have never tried to compile anything on Solaris.
> 
> After making seemingly unnecessay symbolic links for aclocal and
> automake I get the following after running autoreconf -f -i ...
> 
> autoreconf -f -i
> /usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of
> AM_PATH_AUDIOFILE
> /usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12:   run info '(automake)Extending aclocal'
> /usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12:   or see
> http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal
> configure.ac:32: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
>       See the Autoconf documentation.
> configure.ac:35: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE
> configure.ac:52: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_NOTICE
> autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
> 
> I am sure that I am missing some bit of information that you would
> normally know if you compiled on Solaris often.

Thanks for trying, looks like the autoconf is missing somthing there,
maybe just an older version?

Anyways you may try from the tarball version:
 http://www.pipapo.org/nobug-releases/nobug-201002.1.tar.gz.gpg

This comes with 'configure' and you dont need to bootstrap it see:
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Ichthyostega | 7 Feb 00:17
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Re: New Open Source Video Editor

Lorenzo schrieb:
> BTW I can't recall if there was already some discussion about screenshots.. I
> think that there should be some cool screenshots even of the 'mockup'
> version...

the only problem is: you won't see a visible difference to the last screenshot
published, as all work done meanwhile is happening rather well below the surface
:-)

Cheers
Hermann

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Ichthyostega | 7 Feb 17:37
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[ANNOUNCE] (monthly) Lumiera Developers meeting


Hello all,

according to our usual habits, the next Lumiera developer meeting
will happen in the second week of February. Currently, it seems
that Saturday is good for everyone, right?

Thus, the schedule would be:

Saturday February 13, 2010  20:00 UTC

The meeting will be held on IRC: freenode.net in #lumiera

Please speak up if this schedule doesn't work for you.
Not much official topics on the agenda this time, but still some
details to discuss. Please feel free to propose topics or just
join the meeting.

	Hermann Vosseler
	(aka "Ichthyo")
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Lorenzo | 7 Feb 19:59
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Re: New Open Source Video Editor

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Lumiera] New Open Source Video Editor
From: Ichthyostega <prg-vhE0xzMaJLylxi2N03spHA@public.gmane.org>
To: General Discussion about Lumiera <lumiera-aLEFhgZF4x639dL7tAm8iNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
Date: 02/07/2010 12:17 AM
Lorenzo schrieb:
BTW I can't recall if there was already some discussion about screenshots.. I think that there should be some cool screenshots even of the 'mockup' version...
the only problem is: you won't see a visible difference to the last screenshot published, as all work done meanwhile is happening rather well below the surface :-)
Sure :-). What I meant is have some screenshots (even if they are slightly mockups) they don't need to be updated each week ;) but a video editor is such a 'visual' software that I'm sure anyone curious about Lumiera (be it developer or user) will be curious to have an idea of what it (will) look like.

Lorenzo
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Ichthyostega | 10 Feb 01:43
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Re: New Open Source Video Editor

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Lumiera] New Open Source Video Editor
> From: Ichthyostega <prg@...>
> To: General Discussion about Lumiera <lumiera@...>
> Date: 02/07/2010 12:17 AM
>> Lorenzo schrieb:
>>   
>>> BTW I can't recall if there was already some discussion about screenshots.. I
>>> think that there should be some cool screenshots even of the 'mockup'
>>> version...
>>>     
>> the only problem is: you won't see a visible difference to the last screenshot
>> published, as all work done meanwhile is happening rather well below the surface
>> :-)

Lorenzo schrieb:
> Sure :-). What I meant is have some screenshots (even if they are
> slightly /mockups/) they don't need to be updated each week ;) but a
> video editor is such a 'visual' software....

...as said, we /have/ these screenshots. They aren't even a mockup.
http://git.lumiera.org/gitweb?p=lumiera-propaganda;a=blob;f=lumiera_screenshot.png

What we really need is volunteers working on the website,
re-arranging the existing already asciidoced pages, writing summary pages, etc.

Of course, in addition it would also be helpful if the "workflow" related
things could be picked up. There is a started minimal workflow by Nikola,
there is the proposed TOC of a user manual (which is helpful as an outline),
there are some detail discussions etc.

No one is currently blocked by these things missing, but it would be certainly
of benefit for the project (i.e. to do this discussions and planning work) and
also for the visibility (because it could lead to more detailed mockups).
While I'd like to work on this, I'll refrain from doing so personally,
because my contribution is much more needed some levels below ;-)

Cheers,
Hermann

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