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Remy Blank | 1 Jan 2011 14:53
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[Trac-dev] Spam filtering on t.e.o

I just wanted to express a quick "thank you!" to Dirk Stöcker for
recently enhancing the spam filter and tuning it here on t.e.o. There's
hardly any spam getting through lately, and we haven't had any angry
comments from users about our spam filter either. Which of course could
also mean that they can't post at all, but looking at the logs this
doesn't seem to be the case :)

So, thank you Dirk and keep up the good work!

-- Remy
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Steffen Hoffmann | 1 Jan 2011 20:21
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Re: [Trac-dev] Spam filtering on t.e.o


Remy Blank wrote:
> I just wanted to express a quick "thank you!" to Dirk Stöcker for
> recently enhancing the spam filter and tuning it here on t.e.o. There's
> hardly any spam getting through lately, and we haven't had any angry
> comments from users about our spam filter either. Which of course could
> also mean that they can't post at all, but looking at the logs this
> doesn't seem to be the case :)
> 
> So, thank you Dirk and keep up the good work!

After I've got the chance to see inside the SPAM filter queue, I was
impressed as well, how much is going on behind the scene. And keeping
ticket comments clean and tickets usable is a certainly important. This
is really well done here. I thank you too.

Steffen Hoffmann
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Christian Boos | 4 Jan 2011 09:47
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On 1/4/2011 1:03 AM, Steffen Hoffmann wrote:
> Hello Christian,
>
> aforementioned page had been one of the first I've visited, when I came
> from OpenStreetMap.org looking for the home of the issue tracker used
> over there.
>
> Once I sent an inquiry to add two real Trac sites of that project, but
> got no feedback. Same is true for some requests I directed to you
> lately. If there is a problem, and you didn't receive anything at your
> side, I'd want to know.

Sorry, I don't recall receiving anything like that... either my failing 
memory or my failing mail delivery system ;-)

>   Sure, a short note, stating why I'll get no
> further reaction would always be nice to not wait in false hope of any
> response for months, you know? However, I know that you must be busy for
> sure.
>
> Now with a user account I could add the hints on my own, if there wasn't
> your "ban" of new entries.

~~I think the ban should still hold until we clean up the page and are 
able to quickly monitor the validity of new entries. In the meantime I 
gave you WIKI_ADMIN perms  (you already had WIKI_DELETE), so that you 
can edit the page as you see fit. ~~

Well, after writing the first draft of this mail, I just changed my mind 
and think we may actually get more efficiency by
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Dirk Stöcker | 4 Jan 2011 14:58
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Christian Boos wrote:

> So I think we should start by pre-pending:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (edit policy notice)
> == Open Source projects using Trac
>
> Start with edgewall.org, trac-hacks.org ;-)
> (continue with projects using Trac to the full extent, i.e. wiki + ticket 
> system + source browser)
> (then with projects using Trac partially)
>
> == Companies using Trac
>
> (alphabetical order - no links unless it's a link to a public Trac site)
>
> == Unreviewed
>
> (the current content)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Then, when someone feels like doing a review, "reserve" some links range by 
> making a quick edit like this:
>
>
> {{{#!div style="font-size:70%"
> //<me> is doing a review of the following links://
>
> (the 20-40 links you're going to review at a time)
>
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Christian Boos | 4 Jan 2011 16:12
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On 1/4/2011 2:58 PM, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
>
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Christian Boos wrote:
>
>> So I think we should start by pre-pending:
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>> (edit policy notice)
>> == Open Source projects using Trac
>>
>> Start with edgewall.org, trac-hacks.org ;-)
>> (continue with projects using Trac to the full extent, i.e. wiki + 
>> ticket system + source browser)
>> (then with projects using Trac partially)
>>
>> == Companies using Trac
>>
>> (alphabetical order - no links unless it's a link to a public Trac site)
>>
>> == Unreviewed
>>
>> (the current content)
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>>
>> Then, when someone feels like doing a review, "reserve" some links 
>> range by making a quick edit like this:
>>
>>
>> {{{#!div style="font-size:70%"
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Christian Boos | 4 Jan 2011 17:58
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On 1/4/2011 4:12 PM, Christian Boos wrote:
> ... (including those of contributors to the projects if they want, 
> starting with edgewall.org itself)

Sorry, read "to the Trac project" instead of "to the projects".
I think it's a right well deserved for our contributors if they want to 
add a link to their Trac in a good spot. So for example, I would be glad 
to see http://trac.openstreetmap.org near the start of the page, if you 
wish so ;-)

-- Christian

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Dirk Stöcker | 4 Jan 2011 19:08
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Christian Boos wrote:

> However I still think that separating the open source projects from the 
> companies using private Tracs would be useful. In the first section "open

Well, the "instead" only referred to the "I work at" comment. I agree that 
commercial and open accessable stuff should be separated.

> source", we're free to organize it as we want, placing the outstanding Tracs 
> first (including those of contributors to the projects if they want, starting 
> with edgewall.org itself). Whereas in the second section for companies, a 
> neutral order sounds more appropriate (e.g. last additions at the end as it 
> is now I believe - easier to maintain than alphabetical order).

Well, it is harder to read for the user, so alphabetical is much better. 
From time to time someone can have a look and resort :-)

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Dirk Stöcker | 4 Jan 2011 20:38
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Christian Boos wrote:

> Sorry, read "to the Trac project" instead of "to the projects".
> I think it's a right well deserved for our contributors if they want to add a 
> link to their Trac in a good spot. So for example, I would be glad to see 
> http://trac.openstreetmap.org near the start of the page, if you wish so ;-)

I changed the site a bit. I think it looks better now. Feel free to update 
when not correct. I specified the rules a bit: So I added a comment, that 
non-linked entries can be removed after 3 years not-updated. As there is 
no way to verify non-linked Trac installations I think this is a good 
idea. Whether or not they really are deleted can be decided in 3 years :-)

Naturally I added the two OSM projects I know of.

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Steffen Hoffmann | 4 Jan 2011 21:38
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Thanks for the green light, Christian. I feel such references are good
to have them around, when trying to convince some administration staff,
that a Trac application is a good idea and a solid foundation for
someones work. Call it "to show off", this could still be helpful
anyway, if you talk to someone far away from that technology, you know?

Dirk Stöcker wrote:
> I changed the site a bit. I think it looks better now. Feel free to
> update when not correct. I specified the rules a bit: So I added a
> comment, that non-linked entries can be removed after 3 years
> not-updated. As there is no way to verify non-linked Trac installations
> I think this is a good idea. Whether or not they really are deleted can
> be decided in 3 years :-)
> 
> Naturally I added the two OSM projects I know of.

Nice, so one of my initial goals has already been reached. :-)

Let's go for more reviewing now. I'll try to review say ten entries each
evening and leave an editor comment for the next day to avoid edit races
and duplicating work, so we should have it done in a reasonable time
without blocking any other work too much.

Sincerely

Steffen Hoffmann
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Christian Boos | 5 Jan 2011 00:11
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On 1/4/2011 8:38 PM, Dirk Stöcker wrote:
>
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Christian Boos wrote:
>
>> Sorry, read "to the Trac project" instead of "to the projects".
>> I think it's a right well deserved for our contributors if they want 
>> to add a link to their Trac in a good spot. So for example, I would 
>> be glad to see http://trac.openstreetmap.org near the start of the 
>> page, if you wish so ;-)
>
> I changed the site a bit. I think it looks better now. Feel free to 
> update when not correct. I specified the rules a bit: So I added a 
> comment, that non-linked entries can be removed after 3 years 
> not-updated. As there is no way to verify non-linked Trac 
> installations I think this is a good idea. Whether or not they really 
> are deleted can be decided in 3 years :-)

I'm not sure if sorting of the Open Source entries is such a good idea 
(http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers?action=diff&version=894).
Manual ordering allowed us to keep related things together, like Sugar 
Labs and OLPC, numpy and scipy, other Python projects, etc.
We can also move closer to the top "exemplar" projects and down those 
who are not so well tidied (e.g. trac.bevolunteer.org has a lot of 
ticket spam, it shouldn't come first).

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