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Clint Olsen | 1 Sep 2008 07:20
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Re: Trying to use <at> RawBulletList inside a table cell

Hi:

Many thanks.  That did the trick.  I was thinking that this type of error
was unusual.  What exactly did I do wrong?

-Clint

On Sep 01, Jeff Kingston wrote:
> Try replacing " <at> RawBulletList" with " <at> OneCol  <at> RawBulletList", and if that
> does not work, post a small example and I will take a look at it.
> 
> This error message is a classic example of what happens when you build
> user-level features on a system kernel, and the system detects an error.

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Ludovic Courtès | 1 Sep 2008 14:02
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Re: <at> Math package

Hello,

jeff <at> it.usyd.edu.au (Jeff Kingston) writes:

> I use it all the time in cases like:
>
>     The transitivity of the ` <at> E { non <= }' relation...

Right, good point.

>> [The "not" symbol has] the same definition as in `eq'.  What makes
>> you think it "won't work"?
>
> In  <at> Eq it was applied to parameterless objects.  In  <at> Math the
> equivalent definitions have left and right parameters.

OK.

BTW, that will make several noticeable differences compared to ` <at> Math'
from 3.36, most notably the `atop' renaming.  Thus it might be worth
documenting these changes at least in the release notes (sorry if I'm
just stating the obvious).

Thanks,
Ludo'.
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Robert Riebisch | 1 Sep 2008 15:51
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How to set paper size?

Hi!

AFAIK Lout uses paper size "US letter" as default. How do I change paper
size to A4 for a simple single page document? I've already read
doc/user.pdf, but I'm more confused than before. I wish  <at> Document would
just allow " <at> PageType { A4 }".

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Mark Summerfield | 1 Sep 2008 16:08
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Re: How to set paper size?

On 2008-09-01, Robert Riebisch wrote:
> Hi!
>
> AFAIK Lout uses paper size "US letter" as default. How do I change paper
> size to A4 for a simple single page document? I've already read
> doc/user.pdf, but I'm more confused than before. I wish  <at> Document would
> just allow " <at> PageType { A4 }".

Hi Robert,

You've just hit one of louts annoyances. There are two group of settings
for things, one group that you can set easily, e.g.

     <at> Document
	 <at> InitialFont{...}
    //

and the other group that you can't. For this second group you have to
copy the relevant file (e.g., include/doc) to the directory where your
document is and do

     <at> Include{doc}

instead of  <at> SysInclude{doc}, and make any changes you need (such as
setting the page size) in the local copy of doc.

Personally, I always change the name of the copy, e.g., to doc.lout, so
for me the include line is  <at> Include{doc.lout}.

This is annoying because (1) for small documents you often end up
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Robert Riebisch | 1 Sep 2008 16:21
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Re: How to set paper size?

Mark Summerfield wrote:

> and the other group that you can't. For this second group you have to
> copy the relevant file (e.g., include/doc) to the directory where your
> document is and do
> 
>      <at> Include{doc}
> 
> instead of  <at> SysInclude{doc}, and make any changes you need (such as
> setting the page size) in the local copy of doc.

I see.

> This is annoying because (1) for small documents you often end up
> needing two files, and (2) if you upgrade lout you may find changes that
> (of course) aren't in your local copy and so you may have to merge them
> (as I've had to do more than once and it was a nightmare, the first time
> anyway).

Yes, that looks annoying, but Jeff might disagree. ;-)

> Lout's default page size is A4, but if you didn't build lout yourself

The problem here was not Lout (I looked at the .PS file), but
Ghostscript. I had to add "-sPAPERSIZE#a4" to the ps2pdf command line.

Nevertheless I'll try to use your response to define page margins now.

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Mark Summerfield | 1 Sep 2008 16:32
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Re: How to set paper size?

On 2008-09-01, Robert Riebisch wrote:
> Mark Summerfield wrote:
> > and the other group that you can't. For this second group you have to
> > copy the relevant file (e.g., include/doc) to the directory where your
> > document is and do
> >
> >      <at> Include{doc}
> >
> > instead of  <at> SysInclude{doc}, and make any changes you need (such as
> > setting the page size) in the local copy of doc.
>
> I see.
>
> > This is annoying because (1) for small documents you often end up
> > needing two files, and (2) if you upgrade lout you may find changes that
> > (of course) aren't in your local copy and so you may have to merge them
> > (as I've had to do more than once and it was a nightmare, the first time
> > anyway).
>
> Yes, that looks annoying, but Jeff might disagree. ;-)

Don't think I haven't complained to him about it;-)

> > Lout's default page size is A4, but if you didn't build lout yourself
>
> The problem here was not Lout (I looked at the .PS file), but
> Ghostscript. I had to add "-sPAPERSIZE#a4" to the ps2pdf command line.

Ah, you should have said it was ghostscript:-)
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Ludovic Courtès | 1 Sep 2008 17:48
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Re: How to set paper size?

Hello,

Mark Summerfield <mark <at> qtrac.eu> writes:

> This is annoying because (1) for small documents you often end up
> needing two files, and (2) if you upgrade lout you may find changes that
> (of course) aren't in your local copy and so you may have to merge them
> (as I've had to do more than once and it was a nightmare, the first time
> anyway).

I wholeheartedly agree on (1), but I don't think the problem in (2)
really exists since most lines in `doc' are comments, meaning "let Lout
pick the default value for that parameter".  Thus, when new named
parameters are added to Lout's `doc', they don't need to be added to
your own copies of `doc'.

Thanks,
Ludo'.
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Clint Olsen | 1 Sep 2008 21:51
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Getting BulletList inter-bullet spacing to match that of paragraph

I searched around for 'gap' around in the docs to find out what the
inter-line paragraph spec was (by default).  I ended up 0.25v, but I'm not
sure if this is right.

Thanks,

-Clint

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Jeff Kingston | 1 Sep 2008 22:04
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Re: Trying to use <at> RawBulletList inside a table cell

> What exactly did I do wrong?

Nothing.

Jeff
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Jeff Kingston | 1 Sep 2008 22:10
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Re: Getting BulletList inter-bullet spacing to match that of paragraph

> I searched around for 'gap' around in the docs to find out
> what the inter-line paragraph spec was (by default)...

I'm not sure what your question is, but anyway the gap between
paragraphs is called  <at> ParaGap, and the gap around displays and
around lists and between list items is called  <at> DisplayGap.  You
can find he default values of these symbols, and change their
values, in the setup file.

Jeff

ps See the User's Guide, Secion 1.8.
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