Re: #840: Hide dot-files and files listed in .hidden

Nautilus, for example.

Create a file called ".hidden", write the name of all the files in the
same directory that you want to hide, each on a line, and Nautilus
won't show them any more unless you check the "Show hidden files"
option (Ctrl + H).

Release planned for mid-january

Hi guys,

We are planning a new Elisa release for next week, most likely monday
the 14th.

As you may know we have totally reworked the user interface of Elisa and
added some new features, like the Youtube plugin and some basic playlist
management support. We are now in the process to polish things and
prepare the release. As always we are welcoming feedback from the
community, that's where you, users translators and developers, come in
play! So:

- Translations might need some update. There shouldn't be much more
  strings to translate, compared to the previous release

- Users of the 0.3.2 version of Elisa are invited to test SVN snapshots
  (please backup and remove ~/.elisa before). Ubuntu Gutsy users might
  want to try the precompiled packages for i386 architecture. See:
  http://elisa.fluendo.com/packages/

Everyone can follow the progress and ongoing tasks via:
https://code.fluendo.com/elisa/trac/roadmap

Before reporting any issue, please check there's not already a ticket
for it, and maybe come and ask on IRC for a little "support and fun"
chat ;)

Philippe

[Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

Patrick,

Please reply to all, not sender only.

From: Patrick Dessalle <patrick.dessalle <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Running Elisa from SVN
Date: 2008-01-07 15:16:33 GMT

Fwd: [Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

Le lundi 07 janvier 2008 à 18:39 +0100, Patrick Dessalle a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> I don't know if it's the right place to ask question but I don't like
> IRC ^^
> 
> I've tested Elisa (ubuntu gutsy packages) on the computer hooked on my
> TV but there are a few limitations that make it quite unusable for me
> (the main issues being the subtitles handling 

I believe we still support subtitle files (but not vob sub yet). Just
name your sub file like the video file, but with a different extension,
depending on the sub format (srt or txt in most cases).

> and the fact that file/folders names are truncated which isn't very
> useful when trying to watch videos of some tv show since you don't
> always get to see the season and episode number). 

Well, there's no easy answer to your concerns at this point. The ideal
solution would be to not cut labels but make them horizontally animated.
Eg, make them move from left to right back and forth, slowly.
Unfortunately that's not supported yet in Pigment. :(

> Other than that, elisa is a very promising project and one of the big
> selling point for me, compared to mythtv and freevo, was that
> installing the deb and running it just worked with HAL support and
> without too much conf file tweaking.
> 
> I'd like to check out if the current SVN version would be something I
> could use on my TV (meaning the bugs that annoy me are fixed) or if I
> should create new tickets or try to write some plugins myself.
> When I run elisa.py on a "fresh" update (i.e. without any ~/.elisa
> folder), the programs fails to load a component. I've tried each and
> every *.conf from the sample_config folder and they all fail on some
> exception at some point. Usually something about a frontend that can't
> be created. 
> 

Can you give more details please? What component is failing to load. If
you all dependencies to be installed, install the "elisa-extra" package.

> By the way, on hal_service.py, line 62, on my version of dbus (0.82.4
> from Debian sid), I don't have a property "message" for DBusException,
> I've modified that line (you don't use the value of message anyway) to
> let elisa fail at some later point. 
> 

Hmm ok, can you give us the traceback you got? We'll find a proper fix
for it, for all versions of DBus deployed around ;)

> My question/suggestion is basically: does elisa run straight out of
> svn (meaning i messed up somewhere) or is it normal that it doesn't
> work on my machine ?
> 

For now, I advise you to wait the release to use Elisa "in production".
We are fixing some issues still, there will have some activity in SVN
this week :) If you're using Sid, the official Elisa package will be
updated shortly after the release.

> Thank you for having read this awfully long email, 
> 

You're welcome, thanks for the feedback :)

Philippe

Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 18:58 +0100, Philippe Normand wrote:
> Le lundi 07 janvier 2008 à 18:39 +0100, Patrick Dessalle a écrit :
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I don't know if it's the right place to ask question but I don't like
> > IRC ^^
> > 
> > I've tested Elisa (ubuntu gutsy packages) on the computer hooked on my
> > TV but there are a few limitations that make it quite unusable for me
> > (the main issues being the subtitles handling 
> 
> I believe we still support subtitle files (but not vob sub yet). Just
> name your sub file like the video file, but with a different extension,
> depending on the sub format (srt or txt in most cases).
> 
> > and the fact that file/folders names are truncated which isn't very
> > useful when trying to watch videos of some tv show since you don't
> > always get to see the season and episode number). 
> 
> Well, there's no easy answer to your concerns at this point. The ideal
> solution would be to not cut labels but make them horizontally animated.
> Eg, make them move from left to right back and forth, slowly.
> Unfortunately that's not supported yet in Pigment. :(

Not a very general solution. When you have a lot of similar things like
4 seasons of some show, you need more data then a scrolling filename can
easily provide.

I've been working a bit on a MythTV plugin for Elisa, and kind of run
into the same problem. I think a better solution would be to split the
screen into two parts. The top half or 2/3rds would be the way things
are now with the icons/preview, and the bottom part would be the full
file name, or if there is metadata, the metadata provided by the plugin.
stuff like:

The Simpsons - Episode 3
Channel: 4
Date: 12/04/2007
Description:
Lisa gets a ....

See (http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/conflictresolution.png) for a
screenshot of Myth. Think, the bottom half of that screenshot, with the
top half being elisa's file chooser.

Kevin

> 
> > Other than that, elisa is a very promising project and one of the big
> > selling point for me, compared to mythtv and freevo, was that
> > installing the deb and running it just worked with HAL support and
> > without too much conf file tweaking.
> > 
> > I'd like to check out if the current SVN version would be something I
> > could use on my TV (meaning the bugs that annoy me are fixed) or if I
> > should create new tickets or try to write some plugins myself.
> > When I run elisa.py on a "fresh" update (i.e. without any ~/.elisa
> > folder), the programs fails to load a component. I've tried each and
> > every *.conf from the sample_config folder and they all fail on some
> > exception at some point. Usually something about a frontend that can't
> > be created. 
> > 
> 
> Can you give more details please? What component is failing to load. If
> you all dependencies to be installed, install the "elisa-extra" package.
> 
> > By the way, on hal_service.py, line 62, on my version of dbus (0.82.4
> > from Debian sid), I don't have a property "message" for DBusException,
> > I've modified that line (you don't use the value of message anyway) to
> > let elisa fail at some later point. 
> > 
> 
> Hmm ok, can you give us the traceback you got? We'll find a proper fix
> for it, for all versions of DBus deployed around ;)
> 
> > My question/suggestion is basically: does elisa run straight out of
> > svn (meaning i messed up somewhere) or is it normal that it doesn't
> > work on my machine ?
> > 
> 
> For now, I advise you to wait the release to use Elisa "in production".
> We are fixing some issues still, there will have some activity in SVN
> this week :) If you're using Sid, the official Elisa package will be
> updated shortly after the release.
> 
> > Thank you for having read this awfully long email, 
> > 
> 
> You're welcome, thanks for the feedback :)
> 
> Philippe

Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

Hi,

I believe a not too intrusive way to display metadata would be below the
current preview. Transition wise, the preview could shrink a bit after a
couple of seconds to make space for metadata text that could fade in.
What do you think?

Florian

El lun, 07-01-2008 a las 10:24 -0800, Kevin Fox escribió:
> On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 18:58 +0100, Philippe Normand wrote:
> > Le lundi 07 janvier 2008 à 18:39 +0100, Patrick Dessalle a écrit :
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I don't know if it's the right place to ask question but I don't like
> > > IRC ^^
> > > 
> > > I've tested Elisa (ubuntu gutsy packages) on the computer hooked on my
> > > TV but there are a few limitations that make it quite unusable for me
> > > (the main issues being the subtitles handling 
> > 
> > I believe we still support subtitle files (but not vob sub yet). Just
> > name your sub file like the video file, but with a different extension,
> > depending on the sub format (srt or txt in most cases).
> > 
> > > and the fact that file/folders names are truncated which isn't very
> > > useful when trying to watch videos of some tv show since you don't
> > > always get to see the season and episode number). 
> > 
> > Well, there's no easy answer to your concerns at this point. The ideal
> > solution would be to not cut labels but make them horizontally animated.
> > Eg, make them move from left to right back and forth, slowly.
> > Unfortunately that's not supported yet in Pigment. :(
> 
> Not a very general solution. When you have a lot of similar things like
> 4 seasons of some show, you need more data then a scrolling filename can
> easily provide.
> 
> I've been working a bit on a MythTV plugin for Elisa, and kind of run
> into the same problem. I think a better solution would be to split the
> screen into two parts. The top half or 2/3rds would be the way things
> are now with the icons/preview, and the bottom part would be the full
> file name, or if there is metadata, the metadata provided by the plugin.
> stuff like:
> 
> The Simpsons - Episode 3
> Channel: 4
> Date: 12/04/2007
> Description:
> Lisa gets a ....
> 
> See (http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/conflictresolution.png) for a
> screenshot of Myth. Think, the bottom half of that screenshot, with the
> top half being elisa's file chooser.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> > 
> > > Other than that, elisa is a very promising project and one of the big
> > > selling point for me, compared to mythtv and freevo, was that
> > > installing the deb and running it just worked with HAL support and
> > > without too much conf file tweaking.
> > > 
> > > I'd like to check out if the current SVN version would be something I
> > > could use on my TV (meaning the bugs that annoy me are fixed) or if I
> > > should create new tickets or try to write some plugins myself.
> > > When I run elisa.py on a "fresh" update (i.e. without any ~/.elisa
> > > folder), the programs fails to load a component. I've tried each and
> > > every *.conf from the sample_config folder and they all fail on some
> > > exception at some point. Usually something about a frontend that can't
> > > be created. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Can you give more details please? What component is failing to load. If
> > you all dependencies to be installed, install the "elisa-extra" package.
> > 
> > > By the way, on hal_service.py, line 62, on my version of dbus (0.82.4
> > > from Debian sid), I don't have a property "message" for DBusException,
> > > I've modified that line (you don't use the value of message anyway) to
> > > let elisa fail at some later point. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Hmm ok, can you give us the traceback you got? We'll find a proper fix
> > for it, for all versions of DBus deployed around ;)
> > 
> > > My question/suggestion is basically: does elisa run straight out of
> > > svn (meaning i messed up somewhere) or is it normal that it doesn't
> > > work on my machine ?
> > > 
> > 
> > For now, I advise you to wait the release to use Elisa "in production".
> > We are fixing some issues still, there will have some activity in SVN
> > this week :) If you're using Sid, the official Elisa package will be
> > updated shortly after the release.
> > 
> > > Thank you for having read this awfully long email, 
> > > 
> > 
> > You're welcome, thanks for the feedback :)
> > 
> > Philippe

Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

Hi Florian,

That would work for the list view, but not the other views. Also, it
might be a bit tight for files with longish descriptions. Splitting
vertically into two sections doesn't have these limitations.

Kevin

On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 19:43 +0100, Florian Boucault wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I believe a not too intrusive way to display metadata would be below the
> current preview. Transition wise, the preview could shrink a bit after a
> couple of seconds to make space for metadata text that could fade in.
> What do you think?
> 
> Florian
> 
> 
> El lun, 07-01-2008 a las 10:24 -0800, Kevin Fox escribió:
> > On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 18:58 +0100, Philippe Normand wrote:
> > > Le lundi 07 janvier 2008 à 18:39 +0100, Patrick Dessalle a écrit :
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know if it's the right place to ask question but I don't like
> > > > IRC ^^
> > > > 
> > > > I've tested Elisa (ubuntu gutsy packages) on the computer hooked on my
> > > > TV but there are a few limitations that make it quite unusable for me
> > > > (the main issues being the subtitles handling 
> > > 
> > > I believe we still support subtitle files (but not vob sub yet). Just
> > > name your sub file like the video file, but with a different extension,
> > > depending on the sub format (srt or txt in most cases).
> > > 
> > > > and the fact that file/folders names are truncated which isn't very
> > > > useful when trying to watch videos of some tv show since you don't
> > > > always get to see the season and episode number). 
> > > 
> > > Well, there's no easy answer to your concerns at this point. The ideal
> > > solution would be to not cut labels but make them horizontally animated.
> > > Eg, make them move from left to right back and forth, slowly.
> > > Unfortunately that's not supported yet in Pigment. :(
> > 
> > Not a very general solution. When you have a lot of similar things like
> > 4 seasons of some show, you need more data then a scrolling filename can
> > easily provide.
> > 
> > I've been working a bit on a MythTV plugin for Elisa, and kind of run
> > into the same problem. I think a better solution would be to split the
> > screen into two parts. The top half or 2/3rds would be the way things
> > are now with the icons/preview, and the bottom part would be the full
> > file name, or if there is metadata, the metadata provided by the plugin.
> > stuff like:
> > 
> > The Simpsons - Episode 3
> > Channel: 4
> > Date: 12/04/2007
> > Description:
> > Lisa gets a ....
> > 
> > See (http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/conflictresolution.png) for a
> > screenshot of Myth. Think, the bottom half of that screenshot, with the
> > top half being elisa's file chooser.
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
> > > 
> > > > Other than that, elisa is a very promising project and one of the big
> > > > selling point for me, compared to mythtv and freevo, was that
> > > > installing the deb and running it just worked with HAL support and
> > > > without too much conf file tweaking.
> > > > 
> > > > I'd like to check out if the current SVN version would be something I
> > > > could use on my TV (meaning the bugs that annoy me are fixed) or if I
> > > > should create new tickets or try to write some plugins myself.
> > > > When I run elisa.py on a "fresh" update (i.e. without any ~/.elisa
> > > > folder), the programs fails to load a component. I've tried each and
> > > > every *.conf from the sample_config folder and they all fail on some
> > > > exception at some point. Usually something about a frontend that can't
> > > > be created. 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Can you give more details please? What component is failing to load. If
> > > you all dependencies to be installed, install the "elisa-extra" package.
> > > 
> > > > By the way, on hal_service.py, line 62, on my version of dbus (0.82.4
> > > > from Debian sid), I don't have a property "message" for DBusException,
> > > > I've modified that line (you don't use the value of message anyway) to
> > > > let elisa fail at some later point. 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Hmm ok, can you give us the traceback you got? We'll find a proper fix
> > > for it, for all versions of DBus deployed around ;)
> > > 
> > > > My question/suggestion is basically: does elisa run straight out of
> > > > svn (meaning i messed up somewhere) or is it normal that it doesn't
> > > > work on my machine ?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > For now, I advise you to wait the release to use Elisa "in production".
> > > We are fixing some issues still, there will have some activity in SVN
> > > this week :) If you're using Sid, the official Elisa package will be
> > > updated shortly after the release.
> > > 
> > > > Thank you for having read this awfully long email, 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > You're welcome, thanks for the feedback :)
> > > 
> > > Philippe

Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Running Elisa from SVN]

I think that would definitely have to be optional. If I have films (or
even series episodes) that I haven't seen, I do NOT want to see too much
of it in the preview, that could totally spoil the film/episode (like,
you could see who the murderer is way too early).
Or another idea than optional: display multiple screenshots only for
files that have already been watched fully.

Guillaume
Le jeudi 10 janvier 2008 à 10:29 +0100, Patrick Dessalle a écrit :
> By the way, if you're rethinking the interface, could you consider the
> idea of displaying more than one preview of the file ?
> 
> I'll explain myself, since it's probably not so useful for everyone.
> 
> Usually, I watch tv shows and it happens that I wait some weeks (or
> months even) between two episodes, depending on my time schedule. Or
> sometimes, I'd like to rewatch a good episode which exact episode
> number i don't remember. 
> 
> Usually, I feel that one screenshot for the episode is not so useful
> (unless it display that one character doing something very specific,
> but that doesn't happen every day). Maybe trying to display multiple
> screenshots at multiple times in the video could be more practical.
> This kind of things could be done if you decide to use a vertical
> display. 
> 
> I understand that it's probably only an idea for tv shows so it could
> be some kind of option somewhere, or only if you have multiple files
> in a folder.
> 
> Patrick
> 

>