Summer Time in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre

Hi list,

I just came across a sentence in the German Wikipedia (in the  
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_Dolorosa article):

"Dieser Kreuzweg wird von den Franziskanern in einer täglich Prozession ab  
15:00 Uhr, während der Sommerzeit um 16:00 Uhr (da die Sommerzeit in der  
Grabeskirche nicht gilt), gebetet."

It roughly translates as: "This Way of the Cross is being prayed by the  
Franciscans in a daily procession starting at 15:00, 16:00 during Summer  
Time (because Summer Time isn't observed in the Church of the Holy  
Sepulchre)."

Does anyone have more information on this ("Summer Time isn't observed in  
the Church of the Holy Sepulchre"). Was it ever discussed here? Does it  
affect the tz database?

Best regards,
Sascha

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Re: Summer Time in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre

On 05/02/11 06:13, Sascha Wildner wrote:
> Does it affect the tz database?

We don't bother with individual buildings.
Some Greek monasteries still observe solar time
and the Julian calendar, and we don't track them either.

Similarly, we don't bother with individual spacecraft.
You gotta draw the line somewhere.

Russian Time Change

Standard Time Zones & Local Mean Time

Does anyone have insight into the dates when standard timezones, based 
from Greenwich and at 15 degree intervals (as are still used in 
international waters) started coming into general acceptance or law? Am 
I correct to assume that the first place to use 'standard time' was 
Britain in 1847, but that the international acceptance of a 'world' 
timezone system based on GMT offsets only really started with Sir Andrew 
Fleming's proposals in 1879?

Also, before that, when did 'mean time' as opposed to 'solar time' start 
coming into general acceptance? I read that it was when accurate 
mechanical clocks started becoming available in the early 1800s. Anyone 
have an approximate date for first adoption of mean time by a city?

Re: Standard Time Zones & Local Mean Time

I think I saw a comment in the database portion (Eurpoe file) that there was 
a standard zone as early as 1835 around Belgium / Netherlands.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Patte" <dpatte <at> relativedata.com>
To: <tz <at> lecserver.nci.nih.gov>
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: Standard Time Zones & Local Mean Time

> Does anyone have insight into the dates when standard timezones, based 
> from Greenwich and at 15 degree intervals (as are still used in 
> international waters) started coming into general acceptance or law? Am I 
> correct to assume that the first place to use 'standard time' was Britain 
> in 1847, but that the international acceptance of a 'world' timezone 
> system based on GMT offsets only really started with Sir Andrew Fleming's 
> proposals in 1879?
>
> Also, before that, when did 'mean time' as opposed to 'solar time' start 
> coming into general acceptance? I read that it was when accurate 
> mechanical clocks started becoming available in the early 1800s. Anyone 
> have an approximate date for first adoption of mean time by a city?
> 

Re: Standard Time Zones & Local Mean Time

These are complex questions, hinging on subjective interpretations of the
terms involved, such as "general acceptance". The book "Greenwich Time and
Longitude", by Derek Howse, has a lot of information about standard time in
Great Britain. For example, he writes (pp. 114-15) that in 1858, a court
decided that legal time "must be understood as the mean time at the place
where" an event occurs, "and not Greenwich time, unless it be so expressed."
Prior to that, there had been "nothing on the statute book to define what
was the time for legal purposes" -- but at that date "98% of the public
clocks in Great Britain were set to GMT." On August 2, 1880, it finally
became law that "[w]henever any expression of time occurs in any Acts of
Parliament, deed, or other legal instrument, the time referred shall, unless
it is otherwise specifically stated, be held in the case of Great Britain to
be Greenwich mean time, and in the case of Ireland, Dublin mean time."
(Copyrighted material, quoted under fair use.) So perhaps that answers part
of your inquiry. You may have to hit the books in a good library if you want
more complete answers.

Gwillim Law

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Patte" <dpatte <at> relativedata.com>

> Does anyone have insight into the dates when standard timezones, based
> from Greenwich and at 15 degree intervals (as are still used in
> international waters) started coming into general acceptance or law? Am
> I correct to assume that the first place to use 'standard time' was
> Britain in 1847, but that the international acceptance of a 'world'
> timezone system based on GMT offsets only really started with Sir Andrew
> Fleming's proposals in 1879?
>
> Also, before that, when did 'mean time' as opposed to 'solar time' start
> coming into general acceptance? I read that it was when accurate
> mechanical clocks started becoming available in the early 1800s. Anyone
> have an approximate date for first adoption of mean time by a city?

Samoa to move timezone from east to west of international date line

http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets/newsfeeditem.aspx?id=138501958347963

David

Re: Russian Time Change

Wong Ren <Ren.Wong <at> comverse.com> writes:

> 
> 
> 
> Reference : From: Arthur David Olson <olsona <at> 
elsie.nci.nih.gov>Subject: proposeed
>  time zone package changes--
Chile/Russia/Irkutsk/Buryatia/MoroccoNewsgroups: gmane.comp.time.tzDate: 2011-
03-30 14:02:39 GMT (5 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours and 3 minutes ago)
>  
> Hi,
>  
> First of all, I have noticed that the proposed time change for Russia has not 
been applied to tzdata.  Could you tell me when will this be done?
>  
> Second,  this staying DST change  is  a bit confusing for me.    Should it be 
that Russia will return to Russian Standard Time and will increase time zone 
offset by one ?    But from the proposed change, the offset is not 
change.     Am
>  I missing something here?.  
>  
> Lastly, I have seen the term of UTC+2 and UTC+2+1.  For UTC+2+1, is it 
referring to time zone offset plus 2 with DST forward by one?
>  
> Your help is appreciated.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Ren Wong
>  

as of now, State Duma web site shows that current Bill 509727-5
has pass on first reading (on April 19, 2011) and amendments to the bill will 
be accepted within fifteen days ... 
(However there are lots of holidays in Russia between May 1 and today- May 9- 
Victory Day)

State Duma  will finalize the bill after amendments for approval on second 
reading. 

Alexander Krivenyshev
http://www.worldtimezone.com

Farewell for a new day will move from Cape Mulinuu to Cape Taputapu

David Zülke <david.zuelke <at> bitextender.com> writes:

> 
> http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets/newsfeeditem.aspx?id=138501958347963
> 
> David
> 
> 
> Attachment (smime.p7s): application/pkcs7-signature, 4397 bytes

Map with International Date line:

Farewell for a new day will move from Cape Mulinuu (Sawaii, Samoa) to Cape 
Taputapu (American Samoa)":

http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_samoa07.html

Alexander Krivenyshev,
http://www.worldtimezone.com

RE: Farewell for a new day will move from Cape Mulinuu to Cape Taputapu

Does anyone know at what instant Samoa plans to make its 24-hour jump?

				--ado