[tz] minor cleaning in Makefile

Hello,

Now that NOID is gone, there is no point to keep it in Makefile (patch attached).

Regards,

Denis Excoffier.

[tz] Old CLDR tz chart link in tz-link.htm

Re: [tz] Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel

On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:15:04PM -0400, random832 <at> fastmail.us wrote:
> On Tue, May 7, 2013, at 16:01, Marc Lehmann wrote:
> > Yes, at least one timezone exists for any region, by definition, as
> > long as that region actually has a physical location, as the timezone
> > identifiers are meant to (roughly) identify the largest city within a
> > region (where region is not defined by political boundaries).
> 
> This is where you are mistaken.

You surely have some evidence to back this up?

The timezone database has always defined timezone regions that way.
Saying it ain't so doesn't make it so.

> The regions are _absolutely_ defined by political boundaries. It's why

That is your _goal_, yes, but where does it say so? For one thing, the
ISO 3166 codes do not define regions nor political boundaries, nor do the
timezone identifier define political boundaries (but regions).

It really seems to me that you want to unilaterally redefine the meaning
of timezones and regions to further your political agenda - if you
interpret the timezone database data traditionally and without prejuduice
it doesn't say what you wish it to say.

The political interpretation of the data is yours alone.

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[tz] Israel

I will suggest, as I did a month ago for Australia, that we prepare an 
alternate patch for the tz database - this time for Israel.

We can prepare it offline, to cut down on the noise here, and submit it 
for approval to the maintainers of the tz database, for their perusal.

In the mean time, I am willing to host the preparation and patch on my 
own site and ftp server.

The goal in the patch will be to try to follow the decisions re 
Jerusalem mandated by the UN security council, the UN general assembly, 
and accepted by all countries in the world (save Israel), which is to 
consider Israel's unilateral declaration of Jerusalem as its own as 
'null and void', and fully remove Jerusalem as being listed within 
Israel. Those that consider this decision valuable could then apply it 
to the tz database themselves.

Please contact me offline if you would like more information on how to 
contribute to this patch, or how to access the result.

Re: [tz] Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel

Hi Malcolm,
At 09:55 07-05-2013, Wallace, Malcolm wrote:
>One technical point worth considering is that a goodly proportion of 
>the clocks in Jerusalem do not show the time that the tz database 
>would claim they do.  Given rough current estimates that the Arab 
>population of (East) Jerusalem is upwards of 35%, and the likelihood 
>that many of their clocks follow the Palestinian rules for DST 
>rather than the Israeli rules, it seems awkward and inaccurate to 
>use the name of the city for one set of rules but not the other.

Thanks for the link.  It's difficult to pick a source from that part 
of the world without bias.  It's an unusual case.  It's easier to 
leave it as it is until someone figures out how people at that 
location keep track of time.

Regards,
-sm 

[tz] Tobias Conradi blocked for six months

Recent emails to the tz mailing list by Tobias Conradi
are an inappropriate and disruptive use of the list.
I privately warned him about this earlier, to no avail.
I will therefore block him posting for a period of six months.

[tz] suprfsat <at> hotmail.com - Fwd:

And this was the first.

I assume they are all from Paul Eggert.

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From: supr fsat <suprfsat <at> hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, May 26, 2012 at 8:33 PM
Subject:
To: tobias.conradi <at> gmail.com

shut the fuck up

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[tz] suprfsat <at> hotmail.com Fwd: ACTIONS

That was the last email by suprfsat <at> hotmail.com before the one I received today.

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From: supr fsat <suprfsat <at> hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Subject: ACTIONS
To: tobias.conradi <at> gmail.com

CONSEQUENCES

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[tz] suprfsat <at> hotmail.com - Fwd: you fucking psychopath

Is this email coming from Paul Eggert? Last time I got such an email
around the time my emails got censored by the tz mailing list
administrators.

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From: supr fsat <suprfsat <at> hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:13 PM
Subject: you fucking psychopath
To: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012 <at> tobiasconradi.com>

don't you have a life?

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[tz] Position of Arthur David Olson and Paul Eggert regarding the status of Jerusalem

1)
https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/65a7988fe8b4007023ef2130064421eacd263e4c
says
"Arthur David Olson authored 17 years ago"

"+IL  +3146+03514  Asia/Jerusalem  most locations"

Was Arthur David Olson the one who first declared Jerusalem to be
Israel territory?

Maybe the one who put that in, could state the reasons for doing so
and provide a patch if he thinks this should be changed now.

2)
The current IANA time zone database maintainer is Paul Eggert.

There is no reply to the proposal to change the zone identifying
location for the Israel zone from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv.
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2013-April/019134.html
"Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not
internationally recognized as part of Israel"

Does Paul Eggert endorse the decision to have Jerusalem (in fact even
parts or all of East Jerusalem) declared Israel territory in the IANA
time zone database?

If so, what is the reason? Support of occupation, annexation and
population exchange?

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[tz] East Jerusalem as Israel territory in IANA zone.tab, demographics since occupation by Israel

ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/data/zone.tab
has
IL	+3146+03514	Asia/Jerusalem

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2B31deg+46N+%2B035+deg+14E
computes
31.7667°N, 35.2333°E

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=31.7667,35.2333
shows a dashed line labeled "1949 Armistice Agreement Line" to the
West of that location.
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http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/f45643a78fcba719852560f6005987ad/3077feebe5774e3d852563300069223b?OpenDocument

"The 1967 census conducted by the Israeli authorities indicated that
66,000 Palestinians resided in East Jerusalem, 44,000 of whom resided
in the area known before the June war as East Jerusalem and 22,000 in
the West Bank area annexed after the war. At the time there were a few
hundred Jews living in East Jerusalem. In June 1993, the Israeli
Government was able to proudly announce that a Jewish majority had
been achieved in East Jerusalem; at the same time, 155,000 Jews were
officially-registered residents, as compared to 150,000 Palestinians."
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